Yang Fishy
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Post by Yang Fishy on Apr 15, 2012 20:15:06 GMT -5
I've been wondering what the nature of Chief Bei Fong and Tenzin is/was. This isn't the last time we see Chief Bei Fong-she has a story to tell. For sure. So far Tenzin and Chief Bei Fong are the only children that have made an appearance which is great considering the fact that there have only been 2 episodes shown! But one could tell that these two are not exactly on the most friendliest of terms. You would think that seeing as how close Aang and his friends were that their children would maintain a close friendship/bond with each other and would have grown up as friends. But that doesn't seem to be the case [still I don't mind-makes for a more interesting story!]. Still she mentions that all that was "ancient history." So I'm guessing not everyone kept in touch after the war? :-I I would like to know how she attained that scar on her face. Is it nothing more than a battle scar? Something to add to her tough character persona? If we've learned something from ATLA is not to ignore scars Still whether she's Toph's biological daughter or not and I'm definitely up for Toph adopting a war orphan and teaching her the art of Earthbending/Metalbending she does bear an uncanny resemblance to Toph's mother in looks and she definitely has inherited Toph's 'no special treatment' attitude... Still I doubt she's any ATLA guy we know of daughter. I'm sure Tenzin or Korra would have mentioned Sokka if he was the dad. She would have some title or another if she was Zuko's daughter and that definitely wouldn't have gone unmentioned either. Might be a guy we don't know of. Good guy no doubt since she can sense when someone is lying as someone mentioned earlier. haha. Perhaps even a non-bender, Dai Lee agent-at this point who knows? Can't wait to find out!
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Post by avatarluv on Apr 16, 2012 14:13:10 GMT -5
When did that happen? And why don't I remember it?
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nandireya
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Post by nandireya on Apr 17, 2012 2:53:05 GMT -5
I could have misheard it.
But she acts a lot like her mum, which she wouldn't if her mum wasn't there to influence her. If Byrke kill her off in such a way...I will be very, very miffed! Toph deserves to die gloriously in battle if it's not peacefully from extreme old age!
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Apr 17, 2012 9:42:16 GMT -5
It would honestly make sense if Toph taught her daughter metalbending. The cops in the show are metalbenders, so I'm assuming they either picked that trick up from Toph and/or her daughter. Not sure if it explicitly said that in the show, but I think it's just an assumed talent we're supposed to roll with.
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Yang Fishy
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Post by Yang Fishy on Apr 17, 2012 14:11:39 GMT -5
It would honestly make sense if Toph taught her daughter metalbending. The cops in the show are metalbenders, so I'm assuming they either picked that trick up from Toph and/or her daughter. Not sure if it explicitly said that in the show, but I think it's just an assumed talent we're supposed to roll with. Yeah the Metalbenders haven't been given their episode yet :3 But it can be assumed they we're trained by Toph/her daughter. Toph pulled an Avatar Kyoshi and like Kyoshi founded the K.Warriors and the Dai Lee, she started the Metalbender Squads. After the war she must have started this up and trained them all herself. lol it's like Bitter Work all over again xD Although Toph is an awesome instructor in her own right! Awesome how she and Aang have their own statues in Republic City! I wonder if the rest of the gaang have commemorative statues! On topic: Lets just hope this doesn't turn out being like the Ursa mystery. I can picture Toph with a Warrior type B]
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Post by nandireya on Apr 17, 2012 20:31:00 GMT -5
On topic: Lets just hope this doesn't turn out being like the Ursa mystery. I can picture Toph with a Warrior type B] I warrior baby daddy? I actually see her going the other way. She's so blunt, so tough and sarcastic...I see her fella being the opposite. Someone gentle and diplomatic. Not a doormat, but quieter and softly spoken... Maybe that's why I could never warm to Tokka...they're too much the same. Could also be because I don't want them to mess with the awesomeness of Sukka...
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Post by Sir Nose D'Voidoffunk on Apr 18, 2012 9:53:52 GMT -5
I've been wondering what the nature of Chief Bei Fong and Tenzin is/was. Obviously, they knew each other growing up but the way the talk to each other... it hints at some possible drama in the past. Tenzin, tries to be smooth, "You're looking lovely as ever" (does he mean it, is this his normal greeting to her, if he's being sarcastic why so?) Lin replies with a "Can it." (implies maybe Tenzin was/is a smooth talker that "dances" around topics) Then gets down to business. Is this exchange curt because of their positions or something else... I can't wait to look for more hints. Howzit, ladies and gentlemen! Long time lurker (found this forum sometime during the hiatus between Earth and Fire), registered to chime in on this topic: I was thinking about this very thing the other day. To begin, I'd expected, going into LoK, that balance would dictate that all of Aang and Katara's children ended up as airbenders. After seeing the " family tree" that was posted, however. it would seem that the bending discipline of the parents plays a bigger factor than I would have suspected. Between what we know about Aang and Katara's children, coupled with what we know about Tenzin and Pema's children, as well as what is implied about Mako and Bolin's parentage, and we know about that parentage from the characters of TOS, we can guess that: 2 bender parents of same bending discipline means there's a 100 percent chance that the children will be born benders of that discipline (Aang, Zuko, Azula, possibly Lin Bei Fong?) 1 bender parent and 1 non-bender parent means there is, apparently, at least a 50-50 chance that the children will either be born benders of the bender parent's discipline (Jinora, Ikki, Meelo, possibly Katara (Not sure it was ever made clear whether or not Kya was an actual bender, or whether that's just what she told Yon Rha to protect Katara), also possibly Lin Bei Fong?), or as non-benders (Sokka, see above). Based on Tenzin's family, I'm guessing that the chances of a bender and a non-bender's children being benders of the bender parent's discipline are better than 75 percent. 2 bender parents of different disciplines means there is, apparently, only about a 1 in 3 chance that the child will be a bender of the mother's discipline (Kya, Mako/Bolin), a 1 in 3 chance that the child will be a bender of the father's discipline (Tenzin. Mako/Bolin), and a 1 in 3 chance that the child will be a non-bender (Bumi). This got me to thinking: as Tenzin ended up as the only airbending child of Aang and Katara (which would, ostensibly, make him the Last Airbender), he would, arguably, have an even greater responsibility than Aang to ensure that there were more airbenders to succeed him. And, since there were no living female airbenders, Tenzin would almost be forced to seek out a non-bender woman as a wife regardless of whether or not it would have been his first choice. So... what if Tenzin and Lin Bei Fong were childhood sweethearts, and Tenzin was pressured into breaking up with her, for the sake of his people? That could certainly be the impetus behind some lingering resentment by Lin towards Tenzin, wouldn't it? I certainly know that there'd be no small amount of tension and resentment if I were required to have a close working relationship with my ex-wife! Come to think of it, that would also add some subtext to Lin's remarks about how she expected him to go to the South Pole to train Korra (possibly unspoken: "And I can finally get a few months that I don't have to spend every day face-to-face with the man who broke my heart"?).
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Apr 19, 2012 16:09:48 GMT -5
Mm, now we're delving into genetics and that's something I like (though I feel like this belongs a bit in the theories board with discussions of the passing of the bending gene).
Honestly, I don't think we can make any assumptions about how the actual bending gene works. In a lot of ways, I have a feeling it may have more to do with the spirituality of a person more than genetics (this is a heavily Eastern/spirit-based type of show). I think the nature of bending is really too intricate to break down into analyzing the geno/phenotype of the benders of the show, and with all honesty, I don't think Mike and Bryan have sat down to discuss the way that bending is passed down the line.
Yes, I think we can assume that somewhere in the family (not necessarily parents, per se), Mako and Bolin have Fire Nation and Earth Kingdom in their blood, but it's hard to know if their parents really were benders or not at all. There's a lot of variables to consider, and I think it tends to be more random than actual genetic based in the series lol.
On a side note, where did you read that Ursa was a bender, out of curiosity?
However, I digress. Back to your original point, yes. I think that after Aang passed, Tenzin definitely would have felt an increased pressure to preserve the nature of bending (albeit I'm sure he's grateful for having 3, possibly 4, children who are airbenders). However, I don't think that means that Tenzin ended any hypothetical relationship with Lin for the sake of marrying a non-bender (especially since that assumes the genetic theory of bending is valid), and I doubt highly that's the message Bryke are gonna pass along to a young audience. Furthermore, Bryke have proven themselves as proponents of "stay true to your first love," so if Tenzin was in love with Lin, it would be so out of character for Aang or Katara to pressure Tenzin to marry a nonbender (assuming your theory is correct).
Now granted, my theory could be completely wrong and Tenzin and Lin could be ex-lovers. Or maybe Lin was jealous of Tenzin in his own respects; being the daughter of the earthbending teacher for the Avatar is nothing compared to being the actual son of the Avatar. In her eyes, Tenzin could have gotten a lot of preferential treatment (which she CLEARLY disapproves of), or they could just butt heads about how things need to be handled addressed in Republic City.
Either way, I have a feeling that Bryke are gonna let us know what's up between the two of them.
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Post by Sir Nose D'Voidoffunk on Apr 21, 2012 0:34:08 GMT -5
On a side note, where did you read that Ursa was a bender, out of curiosity? I don't honestly remember where I thought I'd heard it. I do know that I thought that it may have been demonstrated in Zuko Alone, but I am surely wrong about that. It does, however, seem improbable to me that, of all the members of the Fire Nation Royal Family who have ever been depicted on air, that she would be the only one (with the indeterminate exception of Mai) who is not a firebender. However, I digress. Back to your original point, yes. I think that after Aang passed, Tenzin definitely would have felt an increased pressure to preserve the nature of bending (albeit I'm sure he's grateful for having 3, possibly 4, children who are airbenders). However, I don't think that means that Tenzin ended any hypothetical relationship with Lin for the sake of marrying a non-bender (especially since that assumes the genetic theory of bending is valid), and I doubt highly that's the message Bryke are gonna pass along to a young audience. Furthermore, Bryke have proven themselves as proponents of "stay true to your first love," so if Tenzin was in love with Lin, it would be so out of character for Aang or Katara to pressure Tenzin to marry a nonbender (assuming your theory is correct). Well, I could have sworn that it was suggested that the series was conceived as having a more mature direction than TOS (a position which seems incongruous with it airing at 1100 on a Saturday, but that's neither here nor there). It would certainly be within the precedent and character of the series for someone in Tenzin's rather unfortunate position to, at least, be encouraged to "sacrifice his own needs" in the interest of "selfless duty." And, for the record, I never meant to suggest that it would have necessarily been either of Tenzin's parents who might have pressured him into breaking off any relationship he might or might not have had with Lin. As near as I can tell, Jinora, Tenzin's eldest, was born five or more years after Korra was born, the unspoken aspect of that being she was also born at least five years after Aang passed away. Supposing, for the sake of argument, that my theory is close enough to being correct, we have seen in the first two episodes (certainly in the premiere) that the White Lotus is a much more prominent, dare I say, more proactive, entity than it was during TOS. Dare I also suggest that whatever ruling body operates Republic City, as well as whichever respective Heads of State remain in power, may also have felt the need to put in their two cents about Tenzin's duty as The Last Airbender? He may not have even, explicitly, broken up with Lin at all: it could have been something more like her wanting him to choose between her and his duty, his vacillating and equivocating on the subject, and her deciding that she couldn't continue to be in a relationship under those conditions. For all of that, I don't believe that we yet know anything about Lin's personality prior to becoming who she is now. Was she, and her relationship with Tenzin, always like this, or (again, supposing for the sake of argument, that my theory is correct), could she and Tenzin have had a We Used To Be Friends moment over their hypothetical break up? Perhaps Lin's personality as a young woman was more Ty Lee/Ikki-like in nature, and whatever may have happened between her and Tenzin led to her own personal Break The Cutie/ Broken Bird moment? :: no, I don't spend that much time on TV Tropes, why do you ask? :: Or, it could be something as simple as air and earth being opposing elements, and they've always had a personality clash because of it, despite being more or less raised together. I can certainly relate to spending a lot of my formative years being around someone my age, who was the child of a friend of the family, but with whom I only nominally got along with. ... Or maybe Lin was jealous of Tenzin in his own respects; being the daughter of the earthbending teacher for the Avatar is nothing compared to being the actual son of the Avatar. In her eyes, Tenzin could have gotten a lot of preferential treatment (which she CLEARLY disapproves of), or they could just butt heads about how things need to be handled addressed in Republic City. This is also a very plausible theory. And, Occam's Razor may well apply to it.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Apr 21, 2012 19:44:11 GMT -5
I don't honestly remember where I thought I'd heard it. I do know that I thought that it may have been demonstrated in Zuko Alone, but I am surely wrong about that. It does, however, seem improbable to me that, of all the members of the Fire Nation Royal Family who have ever been depicted on air, that she would be the only one (with the indeterminate exception of Mai) who is not a firebender. I would consider it to be unlikely for her not to be, but I just have never assumed just because we never knew. Ursa, to me, has always been a catalyst character for Zuko to aid him in his transformation from antagonist to anti-hero to eventual hero. Well, I could have sworn that it was suggested that the series was conceived as having a more mature direction than TOS (a position which seems incongruous with it airing at 1100 on a Saturday, but that's neither here nor there). It would certainly be within the precedent and character of the series for someone in Tenzin's rather unfortunate position to, at least, be encouraged to "sacrifice his own needs" in the interest of "selfless duty." The creators have said that, but mature can mean a variety of different things. Just look at the most recent episode (The Revelation). Mako and Bolin were getting attacked with lightning sticks, and people were getting kidnapped.. it's kinda dark in some aspects. I just don't know how far that maturity goes, and none of us really do either. I can say something's more mature, but we just don't know how much. And, for the record, I never meant to suggest that it would have necessarily been either of Tenzin's parents who might have pressured him into breaking off any relationship he might or might not have had with Lin. As near as I can tell, Jinora, Tenzin's eldest, was born five or more years after Korra was born, the unspoken aspect of that being she was also born at least five years after Aang passed away. Supposing, for the sake of argument, that my theory is close enough to being correct, we have seen in the first two episodes (certainly in the premiere) that the White Lotus is a much more prominent, dare I say, more proactive, entity than it was during TOS. Dare I also suggest that whatever ruling body operates Republic City, as well as whichever respective Heads of State remain in power, may also have felt the need to put in their two cents about Tenzin's duty as The Last Airbender? This is all based on the presumption that your theory of airbender + nonbender = 50% airbender, and airbender + earthbender = 33% chance. Anything is possible, however.
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Post by Sir Nose D'Voidoffunk on Apr 22, 2012 20:34:50 GMT -5
And, for the record, I never meant to suggest that it would have necessarily been either of Tenzin's parents who might have pressured him into breaking off any relationship he might or might not have had with Lin. As near as I can tell, Jinora, Tenzin's eldest, was born five or more years after Korra was born, the unspoken aspect of that being she was also born at least five years after Aang passed away. Supposing, for the sake of argument, that my theory is close enough to being correct, we have seen in the first two episodes (certainly in the premiere) that the White Lotus is a much more prominent, dare I say, more proactive, entity than it was during TOS. Dare I also suggest that whatever ruling body operates Republic City, as well as whichever respective Heads of State remain in power, may also have felt the need to put in their two cents about Tenzin's duty as The Last Airbender? This is all based on the presumption that your theory of airbender + nonbender = 50% airbender, and airbender + earthbender = 33% chance. Anything is possible, however. You're exactly right. And, I'll grant you that my theory is a complete Equus asinus-pull (are we even allowed to say that here?), but it seemed to me that it makes at least as much sense as any other explanation I could think of, utterly contrived as it is.
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Post by avatarluv on Apr 22, 2012 22:18:31 GMT -5
So someone else considered this too! I've been thinking that Tenzin and Lin may have been involved in some way for a while now, but I didn't know where exactly to post it. I especially felt that way when Tenzin said something along the lines of 'lovely as ever'. That sounds like something an ex-husband would say to his ex-wife after running into her again after a while apart. And there was plenty of time before he met Pema for him to be involved with someone else. But if they were involved, there goes the possibility of Sokka being her father. I don't think Bryke would want to deal with the drama that would come with putting cousins together.
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Post by Musogato on Apr 23, 2012 15:58:49 GMT -5
As near as I can tell, Jinora, Tenzin's eldest, was born five or more years after Korra was born, the unspoken aspect of that being she was also born at least five years after Aang passed away. Just to help with your math, the new Avatar is born within a week of the old one's death. Also, according to Nick.com Jinora is 10 years old and Korra is 17.
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Post by Nashk Tategami on Apr 24, 2012 13:09:37 GMT -5
Wait I thought Toph's romantic interest was Ohev?
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Post by Horyo on Apr 24, 2012 14:19:27 GMT -5
Regarding metalbending and the metalbending police force, I believe Toph founded a metalbending school after the war.
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