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Post by Nightmare on Sept 2, 2010 15:04:55 GMT -5
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Post by Aanglover on Sept 2, 2010 22:27:56 GMT -5
The Effects of Drugs ....first thing that came to my mind....stupidity. XD sure sure..some of them can be "medicine" but it definitely kills ur brain cells and focus if u misuse it nonetheless... me being an outer party who has never tried/wants 2 try drugs and have friends who do it. it ruins lives...point blank. it may seem like it takes u away from the painsaking reality of ur life..but it just hurts you more in the long run. i could go on a whole lot more about this topic but ive already seen what it can reduce people to and when i see others my age doing that cr**..it just makes me sick..
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Post by Grandi on Sept 3, 2010 0:49:33 GMT -5
Drugs are fun. Meth and crack and heavily addictive opiates/amphetamines really aren't, but whatever I'm not white trash or a poor black so I'm not going to get into that.
Psychedelics are grand and if you don't do a few of them at least once in your life you're really missing out on quite an experience.
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 3, 2010 8:50:50 GMT -5
Drugs are fun. Meth and crack and heavily addictive opiates/amphetamines really aren't, but whatever I'm not white trash or a poor black so I'm not going to get into that. Psychedelics are grand and if you don't do a few of them at least once in your life you're really missing out on quite an experience. I think this might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on a forum. Only losers use drugs. Druggies only care about getting their next fix. They don't care where or how. They contribute nothing and should just be locked away forever.
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 3, 2010 10:19:44 GMT -5
Well, there is a difference about using and abusing.
Lets not forget that the very legal alcohol is also a drug or addiction causing substance.
I am inclined to avoid drugs, even getting drunk, because I prefer to retain control. Back when my mom was a nursing student a doctor made them all take acid to make them see how a psychotic mind works - no worries, it was a long time before it was made illegal. She said it was the worst experience of her life. And that would be my concern about popping some of that stuff: that it would not be a fun trip but a nightmare ride with no way to get off.
Addiction in itself is a different kettle of fish. Some people are inclined to be addicted. Others are not. It has little to do with the substance, really, and often one addiction gets replaced with another, too.
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 3, 2010 11:09:11 GMT -5
You're just fooling yourself if you think you're somehow immune from becoming addicted. Personally, I have no sympathy at all for addicts who have no regard for anything other than scoring their fix. When folks tell me that I should be more charitable because addiction is hard to break, I always reply that becoming addict was their choice even if it was an "accident" because they thought at first they could "control" it.
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Post by goten0040 on Sept 3, 2010 15:31:18 GMT -5
You can be an addict of anything. You can be addicted to food or television or online gaming, etc. It IS hard to break, no matter what the person is addicted to. And most of those with an addiction are usually using it as an escape from something, so frankly, there are more mental issues than drug abuse below the surface.
Gran Gran wasn't saying she was immune. Everyone has a chance of being addicted to something, but some things are okay in moderation. In fact, alcohol, in moderation, can even be good for you. It's suggested that one drinks wine for good heart health.
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 3, 2010 19:07:45 GMT -5
You're just fooling yourself if you think you're somehow immune from becoming addicted. Personally, I have no sympathy at all for addicts who have no regard for anything other than scoring their fix. When folks tell me that I should be more charitable because addiction is hard to break, I always reply that becoming addict was their choice even if it was an "accident" because they thought at first they could "control" it. I have seen enough of addictions by looking the other way. My Mother worked for 3 decades in a clinic that among others houses several rehab wards. I don't think it is fully understood why people get addicted, and as goten said, you can be addicted to everything, drugs, alcohol, even computers! Using drugs does not equal addiction, using legal substances does not exclude addiction. It is a sad phenomenon that the family and friends of addicts have to deal with that everything takes a backseat to the addiction. It changes the personality of the addict. Caring loving people turn into thieves and liars... Whether or not you have respect for them, have compassion for their families. It is not easy to stand by it and in essence you have to wash your hands from the people you love because you can't help them. That is an incredible heartbreak, I suppose worse than the death of this person.
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 3, 2010 19:34:10 GMT -5
I'll agree with you, Gran Gran, about the families of addicts. They are as much a victim of the doper as the folks dopers steal from and mug for money. I've seen firsthand dopers whine and cry that their families will suffer if they get locked up. I just roll my eyes because they sure didn't care how much their families suffered when they chose their drugs over their parents and even kids. Addicts are incredibly selfish.
I disagree though with you and Goten both, that every bad habit can be characterized as an addiction. I think folks claim they have an addiction to avoid responsibility when they get in trouble for they not going to work/school for three days because they've been shopping or gambling or whatever. They want to say they can't help themselves because it's a "disease" when, in fact, they're just too lazy to make better choices. Still, when it comes down to it, rarely, if ever do you see someone end up homeless because of a computer habit like you do those with an actual chemical addiction.
Oh, and using drugs (and I'm assuming you mean recreationally) may not always mean addiction but it's always a dumb thing to do and if you end up a drooling vegetable because you've wrapped your car around a tree don't expect the rest of us to pick up the hospital tab for your sorry Equus asinus.
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 3, 2010 20:34:54 GMT -5
Addicts are incredibly selfish. I suppose you can call it that. But it's not in the way regular people are selfish. But yeah, I guess. The whining is probably not because of the pain they cause, but playing all cards, no matter if off the bottom of the deck... No, you misunderstood. bad habits are just that, but just about anything can be turned into an addiction by a personality so inclined. It does not have to be drugs. It does not have to be anything illegal either. It can be exercise, shopping, I suppose even house cleaning, all those things that give you a temporary high but it never lasts. And to get to the same level you have to increase the dose. It has little to do with actual drugs, though everybody associates drugs and addiction as if it was interchangable. I have met people who got off drugs to start drinking...or do something else in equally excessive manner. You are mixing things up. Driving under the influence is a totally different subject yet. There are enough people who brave the streets drunk (illegal, I know) or sleepy, or on the phone or even texting putting us all at risk. Responsibility is a totally different story and one does not need to be under the influence of anything to be a total moron. btw, moved to critical thinking
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Post by Aanglover on Sept 3, 2010 21:21:20 GMT -5
so....i see that some people are getting really touchy about this subject..but we shouldnt call people who do drugs stupid....i know a few friends who do drugs that are quite brilliant actually. i just think that when people get addicted to the point of doing anything to get drugs ..thats just a little too far and thats when i think theyre stupid.
doing/notdoing drugs is a personal choice but i choose not to be a part of it because of the side effects...lol plus my parents did enough of that cr** in the 60's & 70's to last me a lifetime..lol
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 3, 2010 23:07:17 GMT -5
Whatever you say Gran Gran. Wouldn't want to get you mad at me.
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 4, 2010 1:56:55 GMT -5
This is the critical thinking board, people! Not chatting with Gran (though I am honored!)
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 4, 2010 13:54:07 GMT -5
Sorry, you're right.
Aanglover don't you think every person who's ever ended up begging on the side of the road thought the way that your friends do, that they can control it? How brilliant are they going to seem if they ever get caught with that stuff or worse? Can I ask, have you ever felt pressure to go along with what your friends were doing? I ask because I think the notion of "peer pressure" is a myth and a bit of a cop out. Growing up, I was around the illegal stuff from time to time. None of the users, I guess to their credit, never tried to change my mind about trying anything if I was clear to them that I just wouldn't do it. If anything they were just happy they didn't have to share. I think peer pressure happens when you give your friends the impression that it's something you want to do.
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Post by Horyo on Sept 4, 2010 16:46:39 GMT -5
Peer pressure exists from both personal and interpersonal influences: Sally wants her friends to like her and Sally's friends want Sally to try drugs. Sally not trying drugs and assimilating with group standards may ostracize her from the rest of her friends. On a personal level, she feels weak and restricted. On the interpersonal level, her friends may stop being nice to her or sharing that kind of relationship with her, at all, which aggravates Sally's feeling of inadequacy and seclusion.
While it seems reliable, using yourself and your situations as a measure for the existence of Peer Pressure is a laughable concept because, bias aside, you're not able to directly observe group-single interaction. You may be a strong-willed individual from your own convictions but other people of various backgrounds may not have such reservations about drugs.
Also, Nightmare, your characterization of "computer addiction" as not being a true addiction is incorrect if you assert that the end result of addiction is homelessness. Addicts survive on their addiction to something, and will sustain that addiction by keeping their supply copious. With drug addiction, all they need is the drug, sustenance, and some form of shelter, which in the homeless world isn't hard to accrue. With computer addiction, you need shelter, electricity, (presumably) internet, and the supply of money to keep it all. This distinction makes it no less an addiction, which is an obsessive occupation with some object or activity.
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