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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 17, 2010 0:23:58 GMT -5
but having underage sex is against the law of GOD!! I think that law surpasses all other laws in our country because its important and moral since its the word of God. i think people who take drugs are stuck in their own underworld with the devil and that they don't know they're hurting the people who love them most. This is the source bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=256 it says that sex before marriage is a sin and that is aginast the laws of God. drugs are also bad because people are lured into TEMPTATION which makes them fall off the path to heaven. In their real life they suffer and create pain for others because they're selfish. Whatever, it's not the subject of the headline, in other words, you are off topic.
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Post by Sweet Dreams on Sept 17, 2010 0:25:38 GMT -5
But I'm talking about using drugs. You said I needed to make my arguments better so I did hmmm.
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Post by Musogato on Sept 17, 2010 3:08:07 GMT -5
Hi Sweet Dreams; the problem with your argument against pre-marital sex/drugs is that is based on the law of God. In the United States and a number of other countries, people cannot be charged with crimes based on the laws of a religion. While certainly there are laws that match up with religious teachings (like murder/thou shalt not kill), there is also a separation of church and state. Just because something may be "wrong" morally, does not necessarily mean it is "wrong" legally. In the Bible, Paul wrote in one of his letters that women shouldn't be teachers, but if someone tried to make a legal case against a female teacher based on that logic, he wouldn't succeed in the tiniest fraction.
As for temptation, that can cause a problem in any form. Television, the internet, books with viewpoints different from what one was taught, various lifestyles from various countries, food, money, certain personality types.... there is no limit. Anything can become dangerous -- physically, legally, morally -- when used improperly or without balance.
Back to the topic at hand though, I have to completely agree with Gran's awesome explanation. In counter-arguments, you guys really need to be specific in what you're talking about -- not all drugs are the same.
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 17, 2010 6:36:25 GMT -5
Back to the topic at hand though, I have to completely agree with Gran's awesome explanation. In counter-arguments, you guys really need to be specific in what you're talking about -- not all drugs are the same. I'm assuming I'm included in "you guys". I believe I have been specific. I said in another post that I am referring to illegal substances. I do need to expand that some to include volatile chemicals used in an illegal way, (I don't want to leave out folks who breath in oven cleaner and spray paint for fun). The fact that folks may disagree with the distinctions I'm making, doesn't mean that I'm failing to make them. That narrows it down quite a bit in that it doesn't include the prescription painkillers (when used to manage pain), peppermint or aspirin that Gran mentioned. It does include marijuana. I know some think pot is harmless and should be legal. I disagree, I've seen it steal ambition and motivation. What I really don't understand is why it's so out of bounds to, at least, discuss whether or not illegal street drug abuse is a moral issue as well as a legal one. Clearly there's disagreement about this, so can't there also be discussion? Incidentally criminal laws involving drugs have to do with simple possession in addition to distribution.
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Post by Sweet Dreams on Sept 17, 2010 17:45:41 GMT -5
my dad always told me people who took pot become crackheads and that its dangerous. People misunderestimate the power of drugs and the hallucinations they have on you. but Nightmare I think drugs not being a moral issue is because people these days don't like following the laws of God in Christianity and so they go away from that thinking they are free. like musogato said up there its not moral because the curch and state are separated so they dont think its a problem with peoples values but instead. I still think its wrong though very very wrong. omg LOL!1 I noticed how its funn that you and I are nightmare and sweet dreams hahahahaha !!
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 19, 2010 13:33:23 GMT -5
Yeah Dreams, I'll leave it up to you to be the nice one. And now, the faces of meth. Some of these are actually pretty funny. Where does the teeth go and what is up with all the open sores? Other than that, looks like fun.
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Post by Grandi on Sept 20, 2010 1:18:24 GMT -5
meth =/= all drugs
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 20, 2010 8:49:13 GMT -5
Maybe not, but I bet those sobriety challenged individuals or Addicted Americans (to be PC) didn't start on meth either. That's just where they ended up.
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Post by Grandi on Sept 21, 2010 7:13:00 GMT -5
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Post by Kaneda on Sept 23, 2010 3:58:58 GMT -5
Maybe not, but I bet those sobriety challenged individuals or Addicted Americans (to be PC) didn't start on meth either. That's just where they ended up. There are recurring styles of dress and fashion amongst drug addicts as well. We should outlaw low riding pants.
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 24, 2010 10:16:19 GMT -5
A little reminder:
1. No swearing or name calling. There are other ways to get a point across than swearing. Petty name calling and insulting someone’s ideas or arguments is an answer for lazy debaters, and it serves as a substitute for a real answer to the issue presented. There will be no more of it.
2. No derogatory religion-based comments or racism. While it hasn’t been a huge issue yet, it may pop up in the future.
3. No Republican vs. Democrat wars. Only debates about issues being discussed in the thread are allowed, without mention of your own political affiliation. No threads dedicated to wars of political affiliation are allowed either.
4. Stay on topic. The need to emphasize this point is immense. When a thread begins to rot because of the negative energy created by people going on off-topic rants, it creates tension between members and grounds for fighting. Not good.
5. If something extremely offensive is geared at you, PM a staff member. We will handle it. If the offense is minor, try to breathe it off. While you're steaming and need to get your mind on something else, I'm sure the pens on your desktop need inspecting.
6. Only post if you can contribute something to the topic/debate. This means no more: "What <insert name> Said" , or "I agree/disagree".
7. Do not take anything personally. No flaming.
8. Please, use spell check, or at least form sentences that make sense. Pretend that you are writing an Essay for class.
9. Since this is a Critical Thinking Forum use evidence to back up your statement if needed. This means no more: "The Bible says so." Actually find the verse that says so (just an example).
Expanded Rules: These rules are for people who have never really debated in a forum before.
1. I have noticed a ton of arguments being taken personally. Critical Thinking is a place for discussion and debate. Debate is where someone refutes an opinion and supports his or her own. There is no reason to take offense about a reasonably presented debate. I know if someone insults what you believe in you tend to get insulted, however part of what makes humans sentient is the ability to control instinctive reactions. If someone debates with you, debate back. Don't insult them. Sure, put a harsh twinge on your comments, it makes it more fun, but do not insult the person for having an opinion.
However on the flip side, if you present your opinion in a juvenile, disrespectful or just plain stupid way; you should expect to be made fun of.
If you keep arguing about something that people have just completely disproved, you should expect some insults. No one is going to respond politely to the same opinion over and over again.
2. If you state a fact that is not your opinion or common knowledge, be sure you have the sources to back it up. A common way to discredit an opponent is to ask where they got their sources. If they cannot cite their sources then it discredits their opinion.
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 24, 2010 10:22:38 GMT -5
Déjà vu.
We want to make sure the rules are followed. So... do that.
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Post by YourFriendlyTotoro on Oct 1, 2010 9:25:23 GMT -5
Ok I agree 100% with Grandi. I also find it funny that all the people hating on drugs have never tried them in their lifetime Personal Story. I have done a lot of drugs. basically everything short of heroine, meth and inhalants. I am pothead (might be the reason why i like cartoons and am on this forum in the first place ). I'm a Junior in college so i go out and get drunk on Friday and Saturday and sometimes weekdays if i don't have work to do. At this moment i have over a 3.0 GPA and have had a steady summer job for the last four years. The reason is because i know my limits and i know when i can stop. Most of my friends in school have done or do a lot of things i do and our still good in school as well. I like to have fun and doing some drugs makes me have a better time in some circumstances. I understand the opinions of Nightmare and some others but the fact that you have never done drugs makes your opinion on people who do utterly invalid. ok done with mini-rant time to go to the gym.
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Post by Aanglover on Oct 1, 2010 12:15:42 GMT -5
*karma for telling us a person story YourFriendlyTotoro*
i can see how some people feel as if it doesn't affect them in various ways (ie: grades/school, socially). And for some, it may not. But that's because they don't overdo it everytime and know where to stop. Some people dont. Some people are just addicted and others just do it to have a good time and relax. But there's a point where if it's going too far as to blacking out or needing the drug to function...that's when the effects of drugs takes over. I'm one of those people that YourFriendlyTotoro has mentioned....i have never done drugs. Don't plan to either. But, hey, it's a personal choice. it doesn't mean that i don't hang around people who do drugs, cuz i got plenty of pothead friends. lol
Pretty much, if you're willing to deal with the consequences/side effects of any drug and don't let it control your life/body, you should be fine.
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Post by Gran Gran on Oct 1, 2010 14:00:50 GMT -5
Well, it's a 'your mileage may vary' type of deal.
Just I don't advocate to go out and try drugs (or smoking or drinking).
But there are a lot of things I would not suggest either...(like getting married just so you can go all the way) ;D
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