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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 4, 2008 1:24:18 GMT -5
This may have been discussed before but I did a simple search and couldnt find it so apologies if this is a repeat. Throughout the series, we can see that Aang has learned and developed his bending skills in all the other elements but his core bending element. In terms of water and Earth, I think Aang could probably qualify as a master in his own right even when not in the Avatar State (although not as good as Katara or Toph). My issue is that his air bending skills doesnt seem to have improved much since the first season. I realise that his air bending training had been abruptly halted and, as far as we know, he is the last airbender so he has no living person to learn from but Im sure the monks must have written down their master level air bending skills somewhere like in ther water bending scroll Katara found. Aang never tried to pursue this information during any of his visits to any of the the Air Temples and does not seem to have made any effort to improve his air bending which leads me to believe that he probably cannot be considered an air bending master.
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Post by SpiritBender on Jul 4, 2008 8:23:10 GMT -5
^^The airbending tattoos are marks of airbending mastery. However, it should be pointed out that "mastery" is a very relative term -- it's mostly about recognition in the eyes of others. No matter what the level of skill that someone has in any given pursuit, there is always room for improvement and further learning. Aang's airbending training WAS interrupted, so he doesn't know everything there is to know about airbending. But he'll know enough of all the bending arts by the end of the show to be a formidable opponent...
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 4, 2008 9:18:07 GMT -5
Which episode of the show was that point on the tatoos was made, SpiritBender? Im not doubting you, I probably just missed it.
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Post by ƒelinoel on Jul 4, 2008 12:06:58 GMT -5
Which episode of the show was that point on the tatoos was made, SpiritBender? Im not doubting you, I probably just missed it. You missed it because its not on an episode
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Post by hailstorm on Jul 4, 2008 13:44:22 GMT -5
Where did you get that information? I'd be happy to read your sources.
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Post by ƒelinoel on Jul 4, 2008 13:59:55 GMT -5
Where did you get that information? I'd be happy to read your sources. I think it was in the commentary? I can't remember too well but it might have been in it for the episode where it flashbacks to him inventing the air scooter
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Post by Escalus (Syn) on Jul 4, 2008 15:34:42 GMT -5
Yes, it is somewhere........ I would have to think for while. However, the point is that he was marked a master with his tattoos. He completed the 32 or so levels needed, the last of which being the invention of his own move. (The Air Scooter)
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Post by SpiritBender on Jul 4, 2008 17:36:55 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but as far as I recall it was mentioned in an interview with the creators that that the tattoos are a mark of airbending mastery. The point that I wanted to stress however is that the term "master" implies a high level of skill -- but not the ultimate level of skill. What WAS mentioned in an episode is that Aang was being "sent away to the eastern air temple complete his training", so he clearly had more to learn. Aang will NOT have fully mastered all four elements by the final battle -- there just isn't enough time. As Roku described, it takes YEARS to become a fully realized Avatar, and Aang doesn't have that time. He will have learned enough to be a formidable opponent, and from the various hints and preview we've seen, he'll have the avatar state again. Aang will rely on all of his allies, the banding together of the nations, the "creativity of a mad genius" as Bumi said, and the avatar state. But full mastery of any element -- not so much. It needs to be stressed again that the title "master" is mostly about recognition of skill in the eyes of others, and there are many dimensions and levels of mastery that one can attain. A true a master is always learning, and never ceases to practice and grow and increase one's knowledge. Mastery is a journey, not a destination...
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 4, 2008 18:12:19 GMT -5
I generally agree with what you say, spiritbender, although I havent seen that interview. "Master" or "Sifu" also means teacher which is something both Katara an Toph. From Roku's example, it seems assumed that the Avatar would have achieved the high level of skill in his own core element by the time his destiny is revealed to him. Since Aang's destiny was revealed to him prematurely, I saw no reason to assume that he was recognised by others to have a high level of skill in airbending (his peers at the air temple dont count, their just little kids). Still, I will accept the tattoos as proof of his acknowledged mastery. I do wish we had seen some development in the skill of airbending as we have with the other elements. Consider how far Katara has come along by comparison! Forget obi wan, she's practically Yoda!
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Post by ƒelinoel on Jul 4, 2008 22:38:58 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but as far as I recall it was mentioned in an interview with the creators that that the tattoos are a mark of airbending mastery. The point that I wanted to stress however is that the term "master" implies a high level of skill -- but not the ultimate level of skill. What WAS mentioned in an episode is that Aang was being "sent away to the eastern air temple complete his training", so he clearly had more to learn. Aang will NOT have fully mastered all four elements by the final battle -- there just isn't enough time. As Roku described, it takes YEARS to become a fully realized Avatar, and Aang doesn't have that time. He will have learned enough to be a formidable opponent, and from the various hints and preview we've seen, he'll have the avatar state again. Aang will rely on all of his allies, the banding together of the nations, the "creativity of a mad genius" as Bumi said, and the avatar state. But full mastery of any element -- not so much. It needs to be stressed again that the title "master" is mostly about recognition of skill in the eyes of others, and there are many dimensions and levels of mastery that one can attain. A true a master is always learning, and never ceases to practice and grow and increase one's knowledge. Mastery is a journey, not a destination... -- SpiritBender It takes years for regular Avatars, but Aang was the youngest airbending master and he seems to be grasping the other elements pretty quickly, I think he will master them before the finale, especially since "master" does not denote the highest rank
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Post by Lil' Cheney on Jul 4, 2008 23:06:44 GMT -5
I knew the tatoo thing for a couple years now... but I canKt place the source...
Wikipedia almost always marks thing that that with links, so ~ll don my webgopher hat and seek a canon source for you guys!
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Post by Lil' Cheney on Jul 4, 2008 23:23:41 GMT -5
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Post by wydawg on Jul 5, 2008 21:04:22 GMT -5
He would have to be a master unless you can teach others without being a master in the bending art. I remember Katara taught Aang without being a full master but she fully became one. If Aang has to teach other people he could proably do it.
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 5, 2008 21:28:00 GMT -5
Dont see anything avatar related in the link, Lil Cheney, but I did google avatar te lost scrolls and I suppose you mean The Lost Scrolls: Air (Avatar: the Last Airbender). Havent read it but I got this prouct description of Amazon: " IF YOU ARE READING THIS, you have uncovered one of the four hidden scrolls I have compiled about the world of Avatar. This scroll contains all of the knowledge that I have gathered so far about the Air Nomads -- their history and culture and the great tales of their past. Aang revisits his former monastery, Katara learns the truth about Aang's mysterious past, and Sokka reveals how he saved the Northern Air Temple from the Fire Nation. The scroll also contains information about Airbending moves, Air temples and monks, the Avatar Cycle, and much more. Keep this scroll safe, and share it only with those you trust. Beware, for there are many who wish to expose it's secrets...." I still think that Airbending is the most under-explored and under-developed bending skill on Avatar. Its understandable but still a little dissapointing.
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Post by Zink on Jul 5, 2008 23:20:16 GMT -5
Maybe we'll learn more in the fourth season. It's not surprising that we don't know much about the Air Nomad seeing as Aang is THE LAST AIRBENDER. Yanno, it's kinda implied in the title? I'd say Aang is a master. Like, I'm a black belt in tae kwon do, which means I have a degree of proficeny, but I still have a ton yet to learn. I think SpiritBender has the right idea.
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