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Post by Silent_E on Feb 12, 2008 23:20:16 GMT -5
^ Well, of course; if Zuko's actions in CoD weren't so frightening foolish and selfish, it would have lost shock value. Not that Aang being attacked while powering up wasn't just as shocking. I agree with this statement and I don't have a problem storywise for him choosing to fight with Azula, but at the same time they didn't have good follow through in this season. I really have to say it was a huge let down of his character. I just hope that they will do a better job at showing his consequences from that choice.
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Post by nandireya on Feb 13, 2008 1:59:19 GMT -5
I have to agree there...there was so much potential. He was so obviously deeply conflicted at the end of season two...he was already questioning his decision. But instead of exploring that it was all just pointless sucking face (honestly...what exactly has his relationship with Mai added to the story) and whining...which, as a Zuko fan, made me really hate the first five episodes of season three.
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Post by Ana on Feb 13, 2008 16:10:37 GMT -5
Deana thinks it does, you think it doesn't, but both are your opinions, and thus, both of them are valid. ...That’s what I said. Season Three sucking is opinion and not fact (like Deana presented it as). (honestly...what exactly has his relationship with Mai added to the story) Character wise, it was meant to be Zuko’s one happy thing upon returning to the Fire Nation. Plot wise, that’s still coming. That said, I think they showed his confliction just fine. His transition from realizing the perfect prince wasn’t him to telling off his father was rushed but Zuko’s side of "The Headband" and "The Beach" really obviously showed that his moral compass was broken.
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Post by Silent_E on Feb 13, 2008 17:48:34 GMT -5
(honestly...what exactly has his relationship with Mai added to the story) Character wise, it was meant to be Zuko’s one happy thing upon returning to the Fire Nation. Plot wise, that’s still coming. That said, I think they showed his confliction just fine. His transition from realizing the perfect prince wasn’t him to telling off his father was rushed but Zuko’s side of "The Headband" and "The Beach" really obviously showed that his moral compass was broken. Yes they did show that he was questioning his morals, but honestly, he was doing that throughout season two. (and even some in season one.) Nothing really changed since that time. (Unless getting everything you worked so hard to achieve, is a bad thing.) They failed to show me why his convictions changed. They didn't even show much of Ozai and Zuko's relationship, which was the main reason why he came back in the first place. What was supposed to be the highlight of Zuko's character, turned out to be a real snore fest.
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Post by deana on Feb 13, 2008 19:18:37 GMT -5
Deana thinks it does, you think it doesn't, but both are your opinions, and thus, both of them are valid. ...That’s what I said. Season Three sucking is opinion and not fact (like Deana presented it as). There is a lot of opinions flying around as fact in this thread, so I don't know why that one is being picked on. Besides I thought it was understood as opinion. I cannot speak for everyone else.
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Post by AvatarMistress on Sept 17, 2008 19:13:21 GMT -5
In my honest opinion, I'd say both... because, in some way they both seem to be attractive to me in there own way...
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Post by dragonflly on Sept 20, 2008 21:25:49 GMT -5
After the finale, seeing Zuko the last half of the finale made me so proud. He's such a kind and sincere person, caring and loving, and he still has the nasty temper I love. Zuko's personality grew impressivly toward the end, his inner strength never waivered, and he showed confidence in himself for the first time. The real Zuko is a lovely person, I'm so glad I'm one of the few who never lost faith or left his fold. Zuko all the way!!
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Post by Amira on Sept 27, 2008 23:48:26 GMT -5
Aang. Hands down. I have always liked the fact that he had been dealt this terrible blow and still smiled, never lost who he was. He is like the boy-next-door and I find that brilliant because Mike and Bryan could have made him a brat super-being. When he stuck true to his morals and knew that he had to defeat the Fire Lord his way took an amazing strength of character. He didn't compromise himself, he didn't corrupt himself, and he did it on his own. He is just sweet and loving and IMO one of the best reasons to watch the series.
Aang's character (largely influenced by his personality) is a delight.
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nandireya
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Post by nandireya on Sept 28, 2008 1:06:03 GMT -5
This may sound corny...but I feel the balance between them is what makes the show work. They compliment and contrast each other perfectly. Take either one of them out and the show would be...well...a big blah.
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Post by Amira on Sept 28, 2008 2:05:32 GMT -5
This may sound corny...but I feel the balance between them is what makes the show work. They compliment and contrast each other perfectly. Take either one of them out and the show would be...well...a big blah. True. But we all have our preferences. And solely based on personality, solely based on who I find more enjoyable and who on the show affeced me more, Aang wins. And I was hoping to steer the conversation a little to discuss my favorite.
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Post by nandireya on Sept 28, 2008 2:09:49 GMT -5
Sorry...but you won't get that from me.
As you said, we all have out preferences, and my preference is nearly always for the dark brooder over the sweet little goody-goody...
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Post by Amira on Sept 28, 2008 2:23:32 GMT -5
eh. TSR pretty much cemented my dislike. Zuko's attitude towards aang and his mocking him was terrible. Especially since he had sought forgiveness only episodes before. Aang took it good-naturedly and confirmed his maturity.
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Post by nandireya on Sept 28, 2008 3:03:16 GMT -5
Yeah...I didn't care for that either...I felt it was so out-of-character for the person Zuko had become at that point. I guess he was pretty darn desperate to get Katara to accept him.
But then I felt they butchered Zuko's character a lot in season three. He was so regretful and confused at the end of season two...but it was all totally gone by the time season three began.
As I've said elsewhere...they pretty much lost me with The Crossroads of Destiny...I just haven't enjoyed the show like I once did since.
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Post by Amira on Sept 28, 2008 14:55:59 GMT -5
Yeah...I didn't care for that either...I felt it was so out-of-character for the person Zuko had become at that point. I guess he was pretty darn desperate to get Katara to accept him. But then I felt they butchered Zuko's character a lot in season three. He was so regretful and confused at the end of season two...but it was all totally gone by the time season three began. As I've said elsewhere...they pretty much lost me with The Crossroads of Destiny...I just haven't enjoyed the show like I once did since. No I think he had the regret, but he was misguided and dealing with a lot. I just couldn't stand his behavior in TSR. It just bothered me to know end. Also in the finale when Aang was clearly struggling with killing the Fire Lord, he was kind of nasty. I could the feeling he viewed Aang as weak and it takes a lot of strength to stay true to your character. That is one thing I love about Aang and why I prefer him to Zuko. He is consistent for the most part. He might have aangst, he might have upset, he might do battle with himself, but he is still Aang. He is still sweet. Isn't a goody-goody in the sense that he's a boy scout, but he is just fundamentally good.
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Post by Ana on Sept 28, 2008 18:20:00 GMT -5
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