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Post by cara24 on Oct 17, 2007 13:57:05 GMT -5
*applauds Firework, and karmas* Thank you so much for that, I agree completly, finally someone who read these books with some sense!  I am also Team Jacob all the way. Why? Firework took the words right of out my mouth. Thats exactly how I feel. I mean everyone I always talks to who read these books gush over how much they love Edward, and for the most part it is for the same reasons that Bella says she loves him. Physical perfection, beauty, his outer appearance. I just don't understand how you can say you love a charector just for that. Even in a movie. If a charector doesn't have depth, and a great personality, I can't like them! Even if they are the best looking one in the book or movie. That is why I don't like Edward, he has no depth, or personality. The way Stephanie writes him he may seem to have these two, but don't be fooled, he doesn't. Once you've read these more than once, you'll maybe realize that. My best friend, who has also read them several times, just does not agree with me about Edward she says,"he is an awesome charector, everything about him is amazing, and he loves Bella, so he's just protecting her." Overprotecting is more like, he has no right to do some of the things he did to Bella. Since he did tell her she had a choice. After reading the three books several times, I have come to love them, not for the main charectors, Bella & Edward. But for the minor charectors, Alice, Rosalie, Emmet, Jasper, Jacob, etc. |
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Post by Firework on Oct 17, 2007 15:05:52 GMT -5
*applauds Firework, and karmas* Thank you so much for that, I agree completly, finally someone who read these books with some sense! I am also Team Jacob all the way. Why? Firework took the words right of out my mouth. Thats exactly how I feel. I mean everyone I always talks to who read these books gush over how much they love Edward, and for the most part it is for the same reasons that Bella says she loves him. Physical perfection, beauty, his outer appearance. I just don't understand how you can say you love a charector just for that. Even in a movie. If a charector doesn't have depth, and a great personality, I can't like them! Even if they are the best looking one in the book or movie. That is why I don't like Edward, he has no depth, or personality. The way Stephanie writes him he may seem to have these two, but don't be fooled, he doesn't. Once you've read these more than once, you'll maybe realize that. My best friend, who has also read them several times, just does not agree with me about Edward she says,"he is an awesome charector, everything about him is amazing, and he loves Bella, so he's just protecting her." Overprotecting is more like, he has no right to do some of the things he did to Bella. Since he did tell her she had a choice. After reading the three books several times, I have come to love them, not for the main charectors, Bella & Edward. But for the minor charectors, Alice, Rosalie, Emmet, Jasper, Jacob, etc. Thanks for agreeing with me, I thought I sounded a little crazy with my rant; I'm glad someone agrees and even gave me karma. Karma right back to you. There is something I've been analyzing about Eclipse. Obviously Bella/Edward's love is very similar to drug obsession like heroine addiction which has been referenced to in the series; considering how perfect Ed is in Bella's eyes and the entire apple motif in Twilight, the drug obsession thing is suiting. The "apple of knowledge" or whatever the Bible quote is, is suiting to the series since Bella cannot go back and doesn't want to either... but why doesn't anyone point out this unhealthy relationship? Bella cannot comfortable exist for even a few hours with Edward, when she learned Ed was going hunting in Eclipse (and he had Alice hold Bella hostage) she worried but reasoned that he would return soon because he left early. Actually, it's not even Ed's absence that makes Bella worry, but the absence of vampires. She ditches her human and werewolf friends for the vampires without a second thought and is only courteous when she has to be or if she gets something in return. Bella technically abandoned Jacob for Alice in New Moon and again for Edward when he wanted to commit suicide. She only paid attention to Jake at the graduation party in Eclipse because he offered her a gift. Also, shouldn't the Cullens of all people try to encourage a healthier relationship between Bella and Ed somehow? Carlisle/Esme, Emmet/Rosalie, and Jasper/Alice relationships either are unseen or seem healthy enough that they don't depend on each other's existence; so shouldn't they try to better their brother's love life. But no, their opinions are not ever brought into light. Charlie's isn't either, any possible concern from him is changed into comic relief in his dislike of Edward. Renee's concern is also turned into a way to make Bella and Ed's love even more speshul, but to me it sounded creepy. "You're like magnets, every time he shifts position, you shift position to adjust to him. I've never seen anything like it. (I don't have the book with me to reference)". But yeah, is that supposed to sound romantic? It sounds creepy. The only person that actually tries to help Bella's addiction/relationship is Jake and that doesn't work. Also, how are we supposed to like Edward when not only he has been turned into an emotionless marble statue, but Jacob is given much more screen time in New Moon and Eclipse. Not only screen time but personality and normal interactions with Bella. How are we supposed to like Edward beyond superficial reasons when he was absent for nearly all of New Moon and was not as present as Jake in Eclipse? Not too mention we only got to see regular Edward about halfway through Twilight. And that's enough from me for now. |
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Oct 17, 2007 16:35:42 GMT -5
LOL! I believe Stephenie Meyer picked the apple because of the Garden of Eden.
But I agree for the most part. Edward and Bella rely too much on each other. Choosing death over being without the other? Geez, it seems to me they see *too* much of each other and need to ease up.
To be honest, I get the feeling that once Bella either a) becomes a vampire; or b) marries Edward, or even a combination of the two, the euphoria of their romance will die down and they'll wonder what the hell they're doing. xD
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Post by cara24 on Oct 19, 2007 13:18:22 GMT -5
I totally agree.
Of course you really do never know how it is going to turn out.
I was hoping maybe after Bella marries Edward, as we know she is going to from the end of Eclipse, maybe she will realize the mistake she is making, and (this is long stretch), maybe she'll realize how there relationship is, and that being with Jake would not only be healthier, and better for her, but would actually make her happier than being with Ed.
My opinion on Edward is, right now I do not like him. At the begening of Twilight I really liked his charector, but after he left and came back in New Moon, and after we got a gimpse of Jacob Black, I no longer liked his charector. I agree with what Firework said about how he became in Eclipse, it is so true, and nobody can deny that.
My friends all freak on me when I say that I don't like Edward. They are all in love with him, as I've mentioned before. Like the other day I was talking to a girl from Book Club and she said,"Oh your reading Eclipse?"
I said,"Yeah, I finished it a while back and just decided to read all three books through again."
She was like,"Oh, Jacob is such a jerk isn't he?"
I said,"I love Jacob! Why do you think he is a jerk?"
Her answer was,"Because he tried to make a move on Bella, when he knew she was in love with Edward. I like Edward alot more."
That angered me. Why does everyone think Edward is so perfect, and, like Bella, just use some stupid excuse to write of the way he acts. Then they find any way to bash Jacob when he does one little fraction of something wrong.
Why is Edward so much more liked than Jacob?
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Post by Snowbunny on Oct 19, 2007 16:01:48 GMT -5
Well, Edward isn't perfect. He doesn't know how to handle Bella seeing Jacob. At one point he was too jealous, restricting her, and now he's being utterly lenient when she visits Jacob. Which is bad, because we all know because of that, Bella goes through a revelation in this book, which I hate. How could a person love two people at once? It's not right, and she's even engaged to Edward, if she's "in love" with Jacob too, then she should just stop before she breaks Edward's heart. *mutters obscenities* Anyway, Edward is so much more liked because...well haven't you read the adjectives used to describe him? xD Every word is like a droplet of perfection and is enough to make a heart burst. For example, from Twilight pg. 260 (yes go look it up), "...sparkled...sculpted, incandescent chest, scintillating arms...glistening...A perfect statue...smooth like marble." I love this series, but sometimes it sounds like a teen Harlequin novel. In a good way!  |
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Post by cara24 on Oct 19, 2007 18:28:27 GMT -5
Everytime Edward is described, I just get sick to my stomach.
I dislike Edward mostly because he is everything I hate in a guy.
I love Jacob's charector because he would be everything I look for in a guy. ^^
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Post by Firework on Oct 20, 2007 1:10:09 GMT -5
Ed is perfect: rich, handsome, suave, intelligent, a pianist, and head over heels for Bella. He is Prince Charming- Romeo and Jake is just Paris unfortunately. If you read the romance fan fics in the Vampire category of FanFiction.Net you will see that every fanfic features a girl being kidnapped(/rescued) by a hot vampire who is in love with her. Vampires are always depicted as these romantic/lusty/Gothic characters who are rich, elegant, and all that jazz whilst werewolves are either just savage monsters or poor creatures- not romantic at all. Ed is meant to be every teenage girl's Prince Charming come true. He is selfless (supposed to be) and is a gentleman whose heart only belongs to Bella... is Ed even a guy- or even human?! I don't know much about the male anatomy (or whatever you call it) but certainly any guy (Ed says in Twilight that he is still a man and still thinks about those things) will still be interested in romance or at least still be interested in girls like a 17 year old boy should be. But no, Ed has NEVER been attracted to anyone... besides Bella: the girl who made him crazy the first time he smelled and who is the only person whose thoughts he cannot hear...  Ed is meant to be a virtuous man that every girl who reads about him will fall in love with because Bella is such a flawed person, so selfless, so ordinary, so brunette (in comparison to Ed and Jacob at least). I seriously think Meyer has a prejudice against people with brown hair being attractive. Maybe girls just like the idea of a perfect guy and a perfect relationship more than actually working to make a relationship work (not that Bella/Ed is a good relationship anyway). But I still don't understand why so many people honestly like Ed considering that he was absent for nearly all of New Moon and Eclipse focused on Bella/Jake much more then Bella/Ed; how can we like Ed more when Bella/Jake is being focused on and fleshed out so much more? Twilight isn't enough to win us over. I just read Penelope and this really whiny, brat was named Edward. Penelope noted that Edward seemed too formal and distant- that Eddy or Ed would have been a more familiar and friendly term. Makes me wonder why Bella still calls Edward, Edward. Edward is stiff and just weird to say. Ed-ward. Instead of Ed or even Eddy as a joke for laughs. Whereas she refers to Jacob as Jake. |
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Post by HanaPon on Oct 21, 2007 17:44:17 GMT -5
Ed is perfect: rich, handsome, suave, intelligent, a pianist, and head over heels for Bella. He is Prince Charming- Romeo and Jake is just Paris unfortunately. If you read the romance fan fics in the Vampire category of FanFiction.Net you will see that every fanfic features a girl being kidnapped(/rescued) by a hot vampire who is in love with her. Vampires are always depicted as these romantic/lusty/Gothic characters who are rich, elegant, and all that jazz whilst werewolves are either just savage monsters or poor creatures- not romantic at all. Ed is meant to be every teenage girl's Prince Charming come true. He is selfless (supposed to be) and is a gentleman whose heart only belongs to Bella... is Ed even a guy- or even human?! I don't know much about the male anatomy (or whatever you call it) but certainly any guy (Ed says in Twilight that he is still a man and still thinks about those things) will still be interested in romance or at least still be interested in girls like a 17 year old boy should be. But no, Ed has NEVER been attracted to anyone... besides Bella: the girl who made him crazy the first time he smelled and who is the only person whose thoughts he cannot hear... Ed is meant to be a virtuous man that every girl who reads about him will fall in love with because Bella is such a flawed person, so selfless, so ordinary, so brunette (in comparison to Ed and Jacob at least). I seriously think Meyer has a prejudice against people with brown hair being attractive. Maybe girls just like the idea of a perfect guy and a perfect relationship more than actually working to make a relationship work (not that Bella/Ed is a good relationship anyway). But I still don't understand why so many people honestly like Ed considering that he was absent for nearly all of New Moon and Eclipse focused on Bella/Jake much more then Bella/Ed; how can we like Ed more when Bella/Jake is being focused on and fleshed out so much more? Twilight isn't enough to win us over. I just read Penelope and this really whiny, brat was named Edward. Penelope noted that Edward seemed too formal and distant- that Eddy or Ed would have been a more familiar and friendly term. Makes me wonder why Bella still calls Edward, Edward. Edward is stiff and just weird to say. Ed-ward. Instead of Ed or even Eddy as a joke for laughs. Whereas she refers to Jacob as Jake. I totally agree. I think any girl would go with Edward and not Jake in my opinion (even though it is maybe slightly off topic) But by all means, yes, you are totally correct in my POV |
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Post by bagpipe turtle on Oct 21, 2007 18:43:10 GMT -5
I wasn't all that happy with Eclipse.
It's not the fact that Jacob loves Bella that annoys me, it's that he kept pushing himself on her when she is so obviously in a relationship with Edward. If you really love a person that much, you shouldn't put another of their relationships in jeopardy.
He was being immature there, and it, quite frankly, made me p/o'ed.
Well, the fact that Bella reciprocated his feelings made me a little annoyed, too. Mostly because of how, in Twilight and New Moon, Bella was so in love with Edward, and then she just falls in love with Jacob...
It makes her seem even more shallow, IMO. Like all the love in the first two books was just fake, or something.
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Post by supersexybeastie on Nov 3, 2007 14:23:46 GMT -5
Well if you think about it, Edward is flawed too. I mean his physical appearence may be too good to be true, but he does get jealous, he has a temper, and he's overprotective. But he does love Bella, he's said it many times in all three books. A lot of people out there think that Edward's character is dry because Stephanie didn't put much thought into his development. But don't you think that it could have just been the time period that he was raised in? If you were living in the early 20th century, chances are that you would have been taught and been trained at an early age to be formal and polite, much like Edward is in the books. He has also lived for ninety odd years without a female comanion, maybe thats why people think he's so one-sided.... I dunno, I was just throwing some ideas out.  |
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Post by tiaramaki on Nov 15, 2007 17:19:36 GMT -5
To be honest, I get the feeling that once Bella either a) becomes a vampire; or b) marries Edward, or even a combination of the two, the euphoria of their romance will die down and they'll wonder what the hell they're doing. xD Maybe there'll be another book coming out, or was Eclipse the last one in the trilogy? |
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Post by phoenix on Nov 15, 2007 21:29:46 GMT -5
She's writing another one called Breaking Dawn.
I don't think that Edward is too idealized. He has his own flaws like jealousy, stubbornness, and the sense that he has to do what he believes to be best, no matter what common sense tells us. Also, the first person point of view has a lot to do with how he's seen because Bella loves him and thinks he is perfect, so thats what comes across.
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Post by Nymeria on Nov 17, 2007 12:23:07 GMT -5
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Post by Ana on Nov 17, 2007 13:36:18 GMT -5
Hmm, I’m not ecstatic over the casting news (Kristen looks more… slender I guess then I imagined Bella to be) but I’m not upset either. As for the Edward vs Jacob thing going around, all I’m going to say is dogs > rocks. XD |
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Post by firexphantom on Nov 20, 2007 23:37:55 GMT -5
I heard about the casting on Saturday. I think that Kristen is a bit too pretty in my opinion. I always imagined Bella as having a plain look and not as thin(like Analeisa said).
I am ESPECIALLY curious over who will be cast as Edward. They will have to be cast soon because they start filming in February.
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Ed is meant to be a virtuous man that every girl who reads about him will fall in love with because Bella is such a flawed person, so selfless, so ordinary, so brunette (in comparison to Ed and Jacob at least). I seriously think Meyer has a prejudice against people with brown hair being attractive. 
