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Post by yiceman on Nov 6, 2007 5:19:01 GMT -5
He wouldn't comment on anything that would be...y'know...shocking. But since Azula = evil should be so obvious to all of us, he apparently felt no qualms against saying she's "bad to the bone." when asked if she might have a kinder side.
Click the link and read if you doubt.
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Post by yiceman on Nov 6, 2007 5:44:57 GMT -5
Which is why he wouldn't say any such thing in a public forum.
But since Azula being evil is common knowledge and accepted reality for all but a select few of us, he apparently felt no obligation to not point out that she is bad to the bone despite what we saw in The Beach.
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Post by yiceman on Nov 6, 2007 6:03:27 GMT -5
He could have not said anything. What he did say is that Azula is BAD. Placed in context with the question, which was whether Azula's behavior in the Beach could signify a good side, the answer seems very clear.
Unless you're suggesting he flat-out LIED, I don't see any other way it could be interpreted.
"I'm AFRAID Azula is bad to the bone."
He was saying "I'm sorry, nope, she has no good side coming up."
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Post by Fire Lord Azula on Nov 6, 2007 13:15:51 GMT -5
I'm surpized no one before me (especially GOZ) has sought to revive this thread packed full of cherished memories in order to bring to light an interesting quote...guess I'll do it. Strange as it sounds, it never crossed my mind to revive the thread. I did make a quote-related signature over the weekend! [/shameless self-promotion] I'm glad you brought it to attention, yice. Very telling quote from someone who would know. To keep everything in perspective... Micheal DiMartino, Bryan Konietzko, and Greg Baldwin have all eluded to Azula's soulless, bad-to-the-bone personality. P.S. Kaibasgirl, you never did write up the reasons behind your strong conviction on this subject...I, for one, and still interested in hearing it. I am, too. 'Guess we'll have to see if she's still interested. If Azula were to, say, teach Aang Fire Bending, would that not be shocking? Azula apparently foils the invasion. I fail to see how or why she would then seek out the gAang and offer to teach Aang Firebending. Contextually, it makes no sense. I also fail to see why they would even entertain the idea, after she shattered their highly coveted plan for world peace. An issue of trust, for one thing... a deep personal loathing of her, for another. I don't know if he lied, but I do think he was trying to dodge the question. Keep in mind, Azula quickly reverted back to her old persona: shady, cunning, manipulative. Greg could have skirted the question, but chose to answer it directly, and with poignancy. Truth be told, he didn't reveal anything we didn't already know, but his response served as confirmation. It's a bit presumptuous, far-reaching, and -- dare I say -- fallacious to assume he's lying. For what purpose would it serve him to lie? All it would do is damage his credibility. If you've read his posts, you know how hard he tried to live up to the expectations of the staff and vocal cast. He's not visiting our humble forum to lie to us. Any assertions to untruth would be downright disrespectful, and I hope no one would insinuate that about him. IIRC, this arc of the Avatar story has been completed, or is on the verge of completion. That said, Greg would know if there's more to Azula than what she's already shown us. He wouldn't have answered the question with such directness; he would've opted for a more open-ended response. "I'm afraid Azula is bad to the bone" doesn't bode well for redemption, no matter how you slice it. ( I would personally quit after hearing something like that from a staff-member. ) After her "heroic" actions during the eclipse -- if we're to believe the iTunes summary -- what reason(s) would she have to abandon her country, and all of its adoring fans, in order to turn over a new leaf? Try to make sense of it... the pieces don't fit.
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Post by attonbitus on Nov 6, 2007 14:19:28 GMT -5
Azula apparently foils the invasion. I fail to see how or why she would then seek out the gAang and offer to teach Aang Firebending. Contextually, it makes no sense. I also fail to see why they would even entertain the idea, after she shattered their highly coveted plan for world peace. An issue of trust, for one thing... a deep personal loathing of her, for another. There's only one scenario i can see this happening and have Azula stay in character. Ozai would have to declare Zuko his official heir and some how Azula would have to fall out of favor with him. At this point Azula figures out that if she teaches the Avatar firebending, the chances that he'll defeat both Ozai and Zuko are very high, leaving an empty throne for her to swoop in and take. Of course that's HIGHLY unlikey becase she is Ozai's favorite.
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Post by The Blue Chibi on Nov 6, 2007 15:55:51 GMT -5
I'm surpized no one before me (especially GOZ) has sought to revive this thread packed full of cherished memories in order to bring to light an interesting quote...guess I'll do it. In the "Ask Greg Baldwin" board, Greg (aka the new voice of Iroh) was asked what he thinks about Azula and her possibly turning a new leaf after The Beach. Greg had this to say: "I'm afraid Azula is bad to the bone." distanthorizons.proboards31.com/index.cgi?board=avgeneral&action=display&thread=1192641680&page=12~Cheers. P.S. Kaibasgirl, you never did write up the reasons behind your strong conviction on this subject...I, for one, and still interested in hearing it. You know, this has been buggin me, too, but I didn't figure there was enough material to revive the thread for. ^.^ Guess I was wrong. I love this debate. (Given enough time, I would hope that a person like Azula IRL would be able to be redeemed.) There ~ got that out of the way. As for quote speculation, I thought it might be possible to translate what Greg said as, "I'm concerned that Azula may be bad to the bone." I don't know, and I'm not invested one way or the other... but I do know that one way to resolve the issue is to... you got it, Ask Greg Baldwin. ;D We're so desperate for new information that we're picking apart every little thing, again.
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Post by fuego on Nov 6, 2007 16:11:30 GMT -5
is it possable...maybe but that this point in time...heck where not seeing the same level of baditude of her as we seen during season two. Which is why I haven't bought into the whole "azula has something up her sleeve" yes there titbits but nothing much of a smoking gun.
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Post by kaibasgirl on Nov 10, 2007 21:03:41 GMT -5
Yiceman, I didn't type up my reasons, cause after watching "The Beach" I thought it was so obvious that Azula was going to be redeemed, I didn't think I needed to spell it out anymore.
General Z, YES. I still believe Azula is going to be redeemed, and I have no doubt about it.
Like grandmaster said, if she was going to turn over a new leaf, he's not exactly going to say it, now is he? So, that quote proves nothing. Absolutely nothing.
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Post by Maylene on Nov 10, 2007 21:25:49 GMT -5
^ That's a good point. I mean saying, "There's more to Azula than meets the eye," or "Azula will surprise you all," would be giving it away. I don't know yet though what the quote will prove. We'll have to wait.
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Post by assdotmandot on Nov 10, 2007 21:30:14 GMT -5
No way. Even her mother (Urza) thought of her as a monster. She is beyond saving.
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Post by kaibasgirl on Nov 10, 2007 21:50:17 GMT -5
Ursa isn't so innocent herself, mind you.
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Post by Maylene on Nov 10, 2007 22:29:53 GMT -5
^ No she's not.
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Post by Fire Lord Azula on Nov 11, 2007 1:03:29 GMT -5
Yiceman, I didn't type up my reasons, cause after watching "The Beach" I thought it was so obvious that Azula was going to be redeemed, I didn't think I needed to spell it out anymore. Oh, really? Scores of people must be blind to the "obvious", then! Take a tour around ASN and some of the other larger Avatar forums. You'll find many respected debaters step forward with canonical evidence to support their claims regarding Azula's inability to be redeemed. No different than what goes on here at DH, really. General Z, YES. I still believe Azula is going to be redeemed, and I have no doubt about it. Like grandmaster said, if she was going to turn over a new leaf, he's not exactly going to say it, now is he? So, that quote proves nothing. Absolutely nothing. What if he had said something that actually coincided with your viewpoint? Would you then be so quick to discredit it? After all, his quote is in direct opposition to your beliefs. And he completed his voice-work in recent days... are we to suggest his ignorance about Azula's fate in the coming episodes? He would know what happens; he does know. And he knows she won't be redeemed. He could have formed a response laced without such finality -- heck, he could have skipped the question, claiming he never saw it! Look how many questions he's been asked... the poor man has been swamped with them. If he misses a few here-'n-there, it would be understandable. But he did choose to respond, and his words were in no way wishy-washy. Furthermore, he won't reveal any groundbreaking spoilers. Azula won't be redeemed... therefore, there's nothing to hide. He can come out and say "she's bad to the bone", because we already know that. He didn't tell us anything new. His quote was confirmation.
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Post by kaibasgirl on Nov 11, 2007 1:36:12 GMT -5
Yeah, well, you know how the saying goes: "The best place to hide something is where it's most obvious".
I don't really go on ASN that much, let alone the forums, I usually just lurk around here, and I have yet to read anything that proves she won't be redeemed.
The fact of the matter is, he didn't. Again, if something major was going to happen to Azula's character, he's not going to come out and say it. And you seem to be thinking "redeemed" along the lines of "joining the gang" kind of scenario. I'm not talking about that, I mean staying in the FN, and still redeeming herself at the end. She could die, and her death could spur on Zuko's redemption, it's an open book, really.
So, in conclusion: Azula's gonna be redeemed.
The End.
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Post by dragonflly on Nov 12, 2007 0:31:50 GMT -5
Well the creators themselves have said Azula is evil, so if she gets redeemed, they'll be doing a magic trick in the end and many will be truely disappointed. The fact that the story is about ZUKO's redemption must mean nothing, he's shown signs of remorse and he's confused about the things he's done. He knows right from wrong, Azula doesn't, or she doesn't care, Zuko does! Azula's little 10 second speach did nothing to change my mind, she's evil, notice the evil little smile on her face when Zuko was talking, she's got something else to torture him with. She is not a good person, how much more evidence of this do you need, I know I need alot more evidence to show even a tinge of anything towards redemption.
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