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Post by ZamKenobi on Jul 27, 2008 20:02:36 GMT -5
And for the record, I'm 99.9% positive they didn't say Zuko would be looking for his mother. They said he would be thinking about her, or wondering about her, or something like that. The looking for was a fan extrapolation. I've never seen an actual quote where anyone from the show said anyone would be looking for Ursa. I have to agree with you on this one. I'm pretty sure people took that from one of the mini-interviews they used to do in commercial breaks (like the ones where they explained the martial arts style behind bending), and even though I don't remember what they actually said, I remember thinking back then that fans were taking more from that than Mike and Bryan actually said. One thing I'm pretty sure they did say somewhere else is that Koh would be coming back, though I don't have any source. I could have sworn it was right after the First Season finale sometime....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 20:33:23 GMT -5
Koh did make a small aprences in the finale when Aang was talkink to the water Avatar (I can't remeber his name D: )
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Post by holyninja on Jul 27, 2008 21:01:50 GMT -5
Koh did make a small aprences in the finale when Aang was talkink to the water Avatar (I can't remeber his name D: ) ^Avatar Kuruk I think most people (myself included) thought that Koh was going to have a more major role later on, but we got this 5 second glimpse of him.
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Post by Kataang101 on Jul 27, 2008 21:01:55 GMT -5
^ avatar kuruk =)
and i was kind of dissaopointed that that was his only role in the end. flashback...
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Post by sla on Jul 27, 2008 21:15:52 GMT -5
So they're just leaving the Ursa cliffhanger to never be touched? That's lazy. Just another example showing that they rushed the finale.
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Post by Kataang101 on Jul 27, 2008 21:17:21 GMT -5
well actually they said they will say wat happened in the future, when ever that will be.
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Post by Turbo on Jul 27, 2008 21:25:55 GMT -5
To tell you the truth, I actually didn't expect Koh to be mentioned in the Finale. I kind of forgot about him. EDIT: I spelled "truth" wrong, I originally said "truch" Hah, truch.
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Post by Scarlett Ember on Jul 27, 2008 22:32:52 GMT -5
Ozai said he didn't know if she was alive, but the way he said it Zuko might have took it as him hiding information from him, so this time Zuko was going to get a straight answer from him. He is now in a position of power over Ozai. However, I still don't think he knows where Ursa is, I'm not sure how he would. Zuko would probably try to get as much information about her as he can, I'm sure, but he would still have to do most of the searching on his own, I think.
But the creators never really confirmed that they would answer the question. They said 'hopefully' and that they would when the environment presented itself or something, but they haven't said for sure that they'll answer it. I'm hoping they will, but I don't think Nick wants any more Avatar, so I'm worried we won't get any mini series or anything that will answer questions left unanswered in the series. I was hoping that comic con would answer those questions, but the Q&A was so short and we didn't really get anything...unless there was more information released that we haven't heard about, which I doubt.
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 27, 2008 23:53:14 GMT -5
^^ Yeah, Ozai just said "Perhaps" like he didnt care whether she was alive or not. I think the only thing that Ozai could possibly tell Zuko is if there was a specific place or area that Ursa was banished to for Zuko to take it up from there. Like maybe the Avatar universe equivalent of Australia.
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Post by dragonflly on Jul 28, 2008 0:12:45 GMT -5
I think Ozai was messing with Zuko's head, but he certainly knows. Even know if she was dead or alive would've made me happy.
IMO, if I don't see pics of this so called storyboard, it's just their way of getting out of it. Letting something like this, that 98% of the fans wanted to know, just drop isn't cool. Knowifg if she's alive isn't a distraction, heck 3/4 of the last season was a destraction. The entire second half of the season was rushed and we still got fillers. I love the story and the characters, I just feel somewhat cheated. I felt that we deserved a few more answers than we got.
This comic con is a let down. I expected answeres and they are still just tip toeing and sidestepping questions and issues. They have left themselvs opportunities, and from what I'm seeing they're not gonna cash in. That bites. It's over guys, so why not give us some real answeres. I don't know how I'm coming off , but they are still jerking with us. Some of you may be happy with the answers, but I'm not. I hate it when people sidestep things.
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Post by chaobender482 on Jul 28, 2008 1:58:53 GMT -5
I think Ozai was messing with Zuko's head, but he certainly knows. Even know if she was dead or alive would've made me happy. IMO, if I don't see pics of this so called storyboard, it's just their way of getting out of it. Letting something like this, that 98% of the fans wanted to know, just drop isn't cool. Knowifg if she's alive isn't a distraction, heck 3/4 of the last season was a destraction. The entire second half of the season was rushed and we still got fillers. I love the story and the characters, I just feel somewhat cheated. I felt that we deserved a few more answers than we got. This comic con is a let down. I expected answeres and they are still just tip toeing and sidestepping questions and issues. They have left themselvs opportunities, and from what I'm seeing they're not gonna cash in. That bites. It's over guys, so why not give us some real answeres. I don't know how I'm coming off , but they are still jerking with us. Some of you may be happy with the answers, but I'm not. I hate it when people sidestep things. Well don't Blame Mike and Brian, the guy in the background was most like one of Nick's Excetives wanting to shorten the Q&A, in other words I think the network might be already getting unimpressed and sickened of how the fans of Avatar are acting and wanting a new season, well that is why they decited to shorten it, also it might turning away more viewers away from the other Nick shows that Viacom really wants to see.
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Post by mahatista on Jul 28, 2008 2:24:30 GMT -5
Well don't Blame Mike and Brian, the guy in the background was most like one of Nick's Excetives wanting to shorten the Q&A, in other words I think the network might be already getting unimpressed and sickened of how the fans of Avatar are acting and wanting a new season, well that is why they decited to shorten it, also it might turning away more viewers away from the other Nick shows that Viacom really wants to see. So are you saying fans being very enthusiastic and begging for another season would cause Nick to not do another season? With that kind of marketing sense you'd think they'd have shut down the entire network long ago. You've mentioned fans' behavior before in other posts. What specifically about the fans do you think might have made Nick/Mike/Bryan pull the plug? The show probably cost more than it made, fan excitement aside. Money's the bottom line, not fans' over-enthusiasm. Fact is, if the show's lucrative for Nick they'll do more. If Mike and Bryan don't want to do it because they hate the fans (or for whatever reason) Nick will find a way for someone else to do it. Back to Ozai/Ursa/Zuko:I really think Ozai was saying in DoBS that he didn't know/didn't care if she was dead. I don't think it went any deeper than that. This is a show that had all its cards on the table moment-to-moment from the first episode. There's no behind the curtain. If someone's lying they pretty much look at the camera and say 'watch me lie'. But yes, Ozai might have banished her to some place and that's a start for Zuko. But he's got a lot of tea to serve in Ba Sing Se while the FN falls apart without its' new leader, so who knows what's going to happen with Ursa. LOL.
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Post by Lil' Cheney on Jul 28, 2008 9:53:37 GMT -5
Nick will get nowhere putting the shows that get fans' attention to an end; yet thats exactly what they are doing.
But also, you have to consider the voice actors. Most of us know this already, but the sound guys have had to, over the course of the series, pitch down Zach's voice, which can somtimes cause distortion or speed up the voiceover, an unwanted sideeffect.
Also, maybe the actors are just done with avatar, and want to move on. Maybe the same with other people who worked on the show. It was a great show, but does it NEED to go on? The intended story has been portrayed, thats what we signed up for in the first place, right?
When you think about it, maybe it's good that it ended here, at a MAJOR climax. Would you rather it have had to end abrupty when it didn't get enough viewers? Sure, they woudl stop at a season, but they would probably have had another MAJOR plot, and would have to end prmatureley, leaving out even more things!
Avatar went out on top. If nick decides that there will be no more avatar, maybe it was a wise choice? Keep them wanting more.
Or perhaps they are planning to release a new season or two to show the world rebuilding. If they don't tell us, they can simply release commercials a week ahead of time, and REALLY Spark up fan craze, raising ad rates.
I agree with mah, it's not about the fans, its about the bottom line. Anything they do, it will be for a paycheck
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Post by conspiracytheorist on Jul 28, 2008 10:14:25 GMT -5
I finally watched the end of the finale and this Zuko/Ozai scene. Yay! *Karma* for getting on that. (Still haven't started that PM. >_<) Well, like you said in a later post, this show usually has all its cards on the table at once. But knowing that details on Ursa had gotten as far as storyboarding for the finale, it looks like they had something in mind for her. I think it's possible that we'll get more about Ursa in some later project. I think that maybe a reason for the strangeness of the scene was that they had to tack it on because what they had in mind for Ursa originally was axed. As for whether or not Ozai knows, I agree that the general feel of Ozai's little speech to Zuko was, "I don't give a flying fill-in-the-blank." So if it turns out that Ozai does know where Ursa is, that will probably bug me. A lot. But if they wrap it up in a most excellent manner, I won't raise too big a fuss (what's with me and all the leniency recently?).
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Post by Scarlett Ember on Jul 28, 2008 11:06:02 GMT -5
Ok, this post might be a little long because there's a lot of things being discussed and I'm going to respond to all of them...
First off is the Q&A. Dragonfly, I agree with what you said, though I don't feel it was really Mike and Bryan's fault. I think they sidestepped away from the Ursa question, but other than that it was just the lack of good questions by the fans. People were asking about the live action movies which quite honestly, I think is useless. We're going to find out more about those as time goes on, and there's always next comic con where the panel will actually be about the live action movie! I was hoping people would have asked questions about the finale and this series, not about the movie.
I lost all respect and confidence in Nick long ago. They are horrible with the way they handle shows, and I don't understand how they keep getting away with it. While it was brought up that it's about the money, not the fans, they have a certain target demographic that they are trying to get, so when we have a show like Avatar that has a lot of teenage fans and even a lot of adult fans, it gets handled poorly. I don't blame Nick for having 3 seasons or the at all for the amount of Avatar we got, because that was Bryke's choice. The only thing that I worry won't get Nick's approval is the mini-series/spin-offs like one about Iroh in the spirit world and finding out what happened with Ursa.
Reject also made a good point about the voice actors and the ending of the series. I hadn't thought about the pitching of Zach's voice being a strain, though it did complicate things. I also think the series had a solid end. The whole plot was the Avatar ending the war and restoring balance to the world. That happened, so what else would be done? There are unanswered questions, yes, but they couldn't continue without another plot to go on, which doesn't make sense. The only way to answer questions is in spin-offs. Aang's story ended there, and if they continued with him it would be pretty lame. It's pretty obvious Bryke knows that, they were very clear they aren't even considering another book.
Now about the money...Yes, that's the bottom line, but where do they get their money? Advertising and merchandise. I think advertising is pretty good, I mean it got a lot of viewers so I'd assume that's not bad. But the merchandise for Avatar is pathetic. First of all, there are no girl action figures, which many people have complained about. The toys are just...they aren't very good, but I'd say the biggest thing is they don't have girl action figures, which I think would sell really good, meaning more money. The other thing is there's no soundtrack, which all the fans know would sell like crazy if they made one. So as far as I'm concerned, the money is their own fault for bad marketing.
Now about the Ozai/Ursa thing, I don't think he knows. I think he knew where she was banished to, and might have an idea, but it's been how many years? I don't think she would have stuck around in the same spot for that long. I'd assume she would have traveled around more, maybe settle down where she wouldn't be noticed...I don't know, but I still don't think Ozai would just tell him where she is and he could just go there and that would be it. With the way they left it, I think they really need to do a spin-off now. They said nothing of it at con, but I know it's been mentioned before. Who knows, like I said, I don't think Nick would want it.
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