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Post by conspiracytheorist on Jul 26, 2008 21:54:34 GMT -5
Yeah...there's a couple of sorta-animated shorts of cartoony Mike and Bryan sitting on a couch introducing the two episodes they showed...and cartoon Bryan is on cartoon Mike's case about the Ursa issue... Before... After... Those were probably the best things to come out of this SDCC. ;p Karma for the links (because I never would have found them without all the hand-holding!).
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Post by Kataang101 on Jul 26, 2008 22:05:48 GMT -5
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Post by tg on Jul 27, 2008 0:14:30 GMT -5
wat i hate about that Q/A thing was that no one asked about the 3 60min eppies!!! ahh dumb dumbs lol jk ;D Let's be realistic here. I think the 3 60 min. episodes are just about the same range as the once mentioned 6 season deal. I highly doubt they'll happen since it's clear that M&B are done. Done with everything. The Avatar movie and game franchise is all that's left. The only thing I wonder is how to keep the fandom alive with nothing Avatar related to show on TV, except for re-runs. Besides the obvious fan art, fan letters, fan petitions (that won't work), and fan fiction; everything ends up in the Harry Potter ordeal. Once Book 7 is done, the only thing left are the remaining movies. Thankfully, everyone else not in the US now have that fire to keep burning onto the fandom since the finale has yet to air in their respective countries. I just worry that the fandom might fade off like a forum that use to have high energy. (As they say in a lot of stories though, our paths will always cross in the future... ^__^)
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Post by Kataang101 on Jul 27, 2008 0:36:48 GMT -5
wat i hate about that Q/A thing was that no one asked about the 3 60min eppies!!! ahh dumb dumbs lol jk ;D Let's be realistic here. I think the 3 60 min. episodes are just about the same range as the once mentioned 6 season deal. I highly doubt they'll happen since it's clear that M&B are done. Done with everything. The Avatar movie and game franchise is all that's left. The only thing I wonder is how to keep the fandom alive with nothing Avatar related to show on TV, except for re-runs. Besides the obvious fan art, fan letters, fan petitions (that won't work), and fan fiction; everything ends up in the Harry Potter ordeal. Once Book 7 is done, the only thing left are the remaining movies. Thankfully, everyone else not in the US now have that fire to keep burning onto the fandom since the finale has yet to air in their respective countries. I just worry that the fandom might fade off like a forum that use to have high energy. (As they say in a lot of stories though, our paths will always cross in the future... ^__^) hmm you could be right with those eppies. Well i just dont think there are in the same range as the 6th season thing. I did hear about it in some respectable reliable site(or at least I remember it to be that way). I could be wrong though and you being right. but I NEED TO HOPE!! lol yess definatly im afraid how slow this place, or the fandom itself, will slow down. but you do make a good point in saying that there are different countries waiting to see the finale so that should keep us going for a while. There will always be new fanfic stories and stuff so I dont think ill get bored with that. Those movies i hope will be worth the wait.
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Post by madfoot713 on Jul 27, 2008 1:36:44 GMT -5
Actually we do have beaches. I was on the boogie board just yesterday. But it was crowded. Really crowded. Get it? There's a lot of us here in this 'parallel universe'. No echo chambers for us!!! Trilly makes a good point. Why bring up Ursa as if there's going to be further episodes if there won't be? Not a teaser for the movie since it's about season 1. It's a mystery. Doug the Head: We've got sandy beaches... Avi: So? Who the [ ] wants to see 'em? The scene tells us that now the war is over, Zuko can focus on looking for his mother.It also tells us that live goes on in Avatar world long after the credits rolled. The issue wasnt dismissed or forgotten. Looking for Ursa was never ever the main focus of the series and it didnt have to be resolved any further than that. In fact to do so would detract from the overall story which is part of the reason I think the story board was cut (I think Mike claimed responsibility in the Q&A?). When you guys watch other movies, do you honestly expect every single aspect raised to be dragged out and ribbon wrapped on screen? Of course not, but I also don't expect movies to bring up a loose end at the end of the movie unless there's a good reason. If they had to scrap Ursa all-together, than scrap it, don't bring up a loose end, that's just shoddy writing. Let's be realistic here. I think the 3 60 min. episodes are just about the same range as the once mentioned 6 season deal. I highly doubt they'll happen since it's clear that M&B are done. Done with everything. The Avatar movie and game franchise is all that's left. Source? I'm not doubting you but I've heard a lot of people say different things, I'm curious where this is coming from.
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 27, 2008 8:25:35 GMT -5
^^ Its not a loose end. Like I said, the scene showed Zuko was still looking for his mother. For Zuko to forget he had a missing mother would be shoddy writing. Whether he finds her or not is a separate matter but not a loose end. Did you watch the movie "Sideways" or "Good Will Hunting"? In both movies, the story ends with the main character going after the girl but its never stated in either of the shows whether they actually get the girl or not. In fact, it might have taken away from the overall impact of the 2 movies if that point had been shown on the screen making them less memorable. The fact that we're still discussing this point about Sozin's Comet over a week after the movie was aired shows something of the effectiveness of this strategy compared to the forgettable, cut and dried typical Hollywood happily ever after scenarios.
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Post by Azula's Flames on Jul 27, 2008 9:43:55 GMT -5
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Post by Scarlett Ember on Jul 27, 2008 10:22:23 GMT -5
^ Links aren't working... Mike and Bryan said that Zuko would be looking for his mother in season 3, which was interpreted as we would actually see him going to search for her, not that he would ask about her (with no answer) in the last moments of the finale. A lot of fans thought it should have been a bigger focus. Not a main focus, but she was very important to Zuko and people wanted to see how that got resolved. I don't think it should have been in the finale, I think they could have had an episode about it instead of one of the fillers in this season. I'm pretty sure those distract more from the storyline than Zuko looking for his mother.
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Post by Azula's Flames on Jul 27, 2008 11:46:41 GMT -5
Hmm maybe you have to look for it yourself on IGN in the anime section because they are the UK links for me???
They also say that the crowd booed and hissed when they mention M.Night Shymalon (or how ever you pronounce it)
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Post by tg on Jul 27, 2008 15:54:56 GMT -5
Source? I'm not doubting you but I've heard a lot of people say different things, I'm curious where this is coming from. Which part did you want a source? I had to dig though 700 of my previous posts (which is a long loading time) just to find this link. community.livejournal.com/avatar_fans/2257573.htmlBut this is for the "originally somehow planned" 3 1 hour Avatar movies. This came later after the 6 Avatar season fiasco. Looing at the marketing schedule though, I doubt all of that is really what's planned. We all had wishful thinking about it. M&B's "so-called" Comic-Con promotions just made it sound like that's it. Unless, something special will happen at next year's Comic-Con.
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 27, 2008 17:24:22 GMT -5
@ Scarlett Amber. I think a reunion between Zuko and Ursa before the finale would have distracted from the emotional impact of the reunion between Zuko and Iroh. As much as people attack the "filler" episodes, I find them easier to appreciate now that the series is over. Sometimes the journey is really more important than the destination.
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Post by paleiko on Jul 27, 2008 18:07:59 GMT -5
So that's it? I don't understand how someone can create such a great thing and then leave it with so many possibilities left... But season 3 already had some less amazing parts, so maybe the real peak of Avatar was season 2 and it's best to end it with the finale as it is... All of them are amazing masters now, maybe the show would get boring soon... Gnah. I still don't want to say Goodbye. It's always sad to enter a wonderful universe and then be forced to leave it when the credits begin... But that's why I'll definitely buy the DVDs when they're available in Germany, because then I'll be able to enter my personal Avatar state at will ^^
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Post by Scarlett Ember on Jul 27, 2008 18:43:07 GMT -5
@ Scarlett Amber. I think a reunion between Zuko and Ursa before the finale would have distracted from the emotional impact of the reunion between Zuko and Iroh. As much as people attack the "filler" episodes, I find them easier to appreciate now that the series is over. Sometimes the journey is really more important than the destination. It's Ember, btw, not Amber...
Anyway, I didn't say I wanted a reunion of Zuko and his mother, because honestly I didn't really. But we were told he would go looking for her, and I would have liked to see that much of it. Honestly, before Southern Raiders, I was hoping that he would go looking for her and learn that she was either dead or somewhere else, where he couldn't meet up with her, at least not yet. I don't think that would have distracted from his reunion with Iroh, since we still leave his reunion with her open. I probably wouldn't even be that upset about it had the creators not told us Zuko would go looking for her, because that gave me expectations and made it more frustrating when it didn't happen.
I don't mind some filler, since I actually like some of them, but when there are parts that are rushed and questions left unanswered, I feel that's a sign that it was too much filler.
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 27, 2008 19:48:14 GMT -5
^^ Sorry for the typo. I know a lot of fans had that expectation and the issue appears to have been anticipated by Mike & Bryan at the Comic-con. Perhaps theyd put theyre foot in their mouth by raising that expectation in an earlier interview or Q&A session (I suspect an impromptu response to a persistent Avatard's question). Still, taking the series in of itself and as a whole without that expectation raised from the creator's previous statements/ interviews, etc, I just dont think that the ultimate answer of where Zuko's mother is needed to be revealed for the purposes of the show. I do think as artists, that niggling frustration you probably feel by having Zuko ask the question without revealing the answer is something that film makers actually strive to achieve for the reason I mentioned earlier. Not big enough to frustrate the main plot of the series but enough to leave the audience wanting just a bit more. If something is totally complete, you may well put it on a pedestal but forget about it in a relatively short period of time. This way, theres something that keeps you hungry for just a little bit more and fixes the show in your mind for that much longer and ultimately makes it that much more memorable.
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Post by mahatista on Jul 27, 2008 19:54:33 GMT -5
I finally watched the end of the finale and this Zuko/Ozai scene.
The thing that bothers me now about it is that Ozai basically said in DoBS that he didn't know/didn't care if Ursa was alive or not. So wouldn't that imply that he doesn't know where she is? So why is Zuko bothering to ask him anyway?
And for the record, I'm 99.9% positive they didn't say Zuko would be looking for his mother. They said he would be thinking about her, or wondering about her, or something like that. The looking for was a fan extrapolation. I've never seen an actual quote where anyone from the show said anyone would be looking for Ursa.
Given Ozai's words in DoBS regarding Ursa and the opportunities they had during filler episodes to put that one to rest, the added scene seems bizarre. Of course I think the actual point of the scene was just to show Zuko talking to Ozai from a position of power and they wanted a strong closer so they used the Ursa line. Awkwardly done, but not criminal.
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