Power
Fire Lord Zuko
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Post by Power on Jun 4, 2007 0:52:51 GMT -5
Just like how Zuko turned on Iroh in the catacombs of old Ba Sing Se because he wanted to get his father's love and his honor back. I agree Amira. It sort of seems like Aang is going down a path that most Avatars didn't even walk on. I don't think it's ever been mentioned that an Avatar travelled in a group like Aang does. I agree. They just have to find that middle ground. IMO, Aang can have his earthly attachments as long as he doesn't let them cloud his judgement. It can be done, I honestly think Aang can do it if he puts his mind to it and believes that by "letting go", he's not letting go forever. I'm not defending Zuko. He is selfish too. But Aang is on this pedestal where he seems incapable of committing selfish acts. He isn't immune from being absorbed with his own desires. Dont we know that already YS? Aang has done selfish things, but its all part of the realism of his character.
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Post by mindbender18 on Jun 4, 2007 0:54:01 GMT -5
I gotta give u karma for that one.
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Melis
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Post by Melis on Jun 4, 2007 0:54:13 GMT -5
I know, I'm just saying. I don't put Aang in a pedestal, I know that's made mistakes and that's what I enjoy much about his character. He's ran away from home and was frozen in an iceberg for 100 years because he didn't want to accept his duty. He doesn't even know what to do at first after he's unfrozen, but he attempts to do what he believes is right because he wants to make a difference. He wants to step up to his duties and save the world.
It's just that, being human also comes with prices about self-gain and putting the world in front of his own desires. Of course he'll want to keep the things he's familiar with and with whom he cares for because he's human. He is the Avatar and he does have to put aside his personal business, and I believe that he can as long as he does not let it cloud his judgements.
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Youkai-Slayer
Wolf Sokka
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Post by Youkai-Slayer on Jun 4, 2007 0:55:18 GMT -5
But Aang is on this pedestal where he seems incapable of committing selfish acts. He isn't immune from being absorbed with his own desires. You want to know why? Because he's human.But I am not the one who is trying to argue that Aang is this perfect good person or that his love for Katara cannot be a flaw am I? You guys are.
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Post by Amira on Jun 4, 2007 0:55:45 GMT -5
No, Aang is not immune for selfishness. He does dumb things and screws up royally sometimes. But he's also a kid. He probably hasn't hit a growth spurt yet and yet people are trying to kill him, he loses all of his race, and somehow he has to master this spirit thing and save a devastated world. And he's going to mess up. I expect him to mess up. And he seems to learn from his mess-ups. For me that's what makes Aang's screw ups somewhat forgivable. He does learn and tries to make it right.
And I don't see love as a flaw. But that's me.
And turning Aang into a messiah-figure would just ruin his character. He is not God-on-high. It just doesn't fit him.
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Post by psylum on Jun 4, 2007 0:58:12 GMT -5
You want to know why? Because he's human.But I am not the one who is trying to argue that Aang is this perfect good person or that his love for Katara cannot be a flaw am I? You guys are. Well we're saying that it's not a flaw because, gee, it's not a flaw. If Love is a flaw for Aang, then it's a flaw for all of the human race.
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Power
Fire Lord Zuko
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Post by Power on Jun 4, 2007 1:00:18 GMT -5
I have yet to find a flaw in this love.
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Post by brilliantlygreen on Jun 4, 2007 1:00:51 GMT -5
But I am not the one who is trying to argue that Aang is this perfect good person or that his love for Katara cannot be a flaw am I? You guys are. No one said Aang was perfect. It's obvious that he isn't. He has just as many issues as any other character, if not more. But his love for Katara is not a flaw. Love is never a flaw. The only time his love for Katara got in the way was when he was learning to master the avatar state. And there's nothing wrong with not wanting to let her go. He's not going to be excited about the fact that he can't feel an attachment to her. He even said, "How is my attachment to her a bad thing? Three chakras ago that was a good thing!" It was hard for him to grasp the fact that someone he had grown so close to was now in the way of his power.
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Wolf Sokka
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Post by Youkai-Slayer on Jun 4, 2007 1:01:34 GMT -5
But I am not the one who is trying to argue that Aang is this perfect good person or that his love for Katara cannot be a flaw am I? You guys are. Well we're saying that it's not a flaw because, gee, it's not a flaw. You say this but love for Katara has cause him to do selfish things. That is where it can be a flaw. Do you not remember how he hid the scroll bearing the location of Hakoda because he feared she and Sokka would leave him?
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Post by brilliantlygreen on Jun 4, 2007 1:03:24 GMT -5
Do you not remember how Zuko almost killed his entire crew because he refused to stop searching for the Avatar? Everyone has certain things that will cause them to be selfish.
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Post by psylum on Jun 4, 2007 1:04:02 GMT -5
But I am not the one who is trying to argue that Aang is this perfect good person or that his love for Katara cannot be a flaw am I? You guys are. No one said Aang was perfect. It's obvious that he isn't. He has just as many issues as any other character, if not more. But his love for Katara is not a flaw. Love is never a flaw. The only time his love for Katara got in the way was when he was learning to master the avatar state. And there's nothing wrong with not wanting to let her go. He's not going to be excited about the fact that he can't feel an attachment to her. He even said, "How is my attachment to her a bad thing? Three chakras ago that was a good thing!" It was hard for him to grasp the fact that someone he had grown so close to was now in the way of his power. hmm, shoving aside someone you love to gain power....who does that sound like to you?
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Post by Amira on Jun 4, 2007 1:04:46 GMT -5
Well we're saying that it's not a flaw because, gee, it's not a flaw. You say this but love for Katara has cause him to do selfish things. That is where it can be a flaw. Do you not remember how he hid the scroll bearing the location of Hakoda because he feared she and Sokka would leave him? Well they did ignore him for the most part with Bato. He was wrong and he admitted what he did and accepted that he was was an idiot and accepted they weren't going to be with him. They made the choice to come back and he was surprised.
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Post by Melis on Jun 4, 2007 1:05:15 GMT -5
I saw that as more of, Aang wanting to make sure his new found family didn't abandon him because he didn't want to be alone. But I agree with Brill, everyone does something that eventually makes them seem selfish. Again, mistakes are needed to learn.
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Post by mindbender18 on Jun 4, 2007 1:05:58 GMT -5
Well we're saying that it's not a flaw because, gee, it's not a flaw. You say this but love for Katara has cause him to do selfish things. That is where it can be a flaw. Do you not remember how he hid the scroll bearing the location of Hakoda because he feared she and Sokka would leave him? the fear of losing his friends made him do it, not his love for Katara. I think that was before he even started liking her
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Post by psylum on Jun 4, 2007 1:06:55 GMT -5
I saw that as more of, Aang wanting to make sure his new found family didn't abandon him because he didn't want to be alone. But I agree with Brill, everyone does something that eventually makes them seem selfish. Again, mistakes are needed to learn. Aang was selfish in that instance, but he learned from it, which is more than we can say for Zuko in most cases.
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