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Post by ktscarlet on Apr 16, 2007 16:28:19 GMT -5
But Zuko had Azula and the Dai Lee on his side, besides I am sure Katara wasn’t expecting an attack from Zuko because of their “bonding” time together. Of course I could be wrong, maybe Zuko and Katara are equals personally I will have to wait till season 3 to see how powerful Zuko truly is. But I must admit, he has improved much since season 1 and that showed in the season 2 finale definitely.
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Post by Ana on Apr 16, 2007 16:37:45 GMT -5
That was an entire season ago. …But they were commenting on Zuko’s bending in general. Saying “Zuko’s a powerful bender! Just at CoD!” seems a bit silly since that was only one fight. He has improved his bending since Season One, and that fight showed that, but I still think he’s not particularly great at it. Like kt said, I guess I’ll have to wait until season 3 to see how powerful Zuko truly is.
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Post by yiceman on Apr 16, 2007 16:39:46 GMT -5
Actually, the fight we're talking about was when it was strictly Aang vs. Zuko. The first part of that whole fight it was 1-on-1 between them, as Azula and Katara were destracting each other.
Zuko didn't have help from Azula or the Dai Lee at that moment, and he had the advantage over Aang. Aang was getting knocked left and right, and the best attack he could do against Zuko hurt himself more. Zuko got up spotless from that.
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Post by aangryjerk on Apr 17, 2007 5:58:10 GMT -5
I think it's silly to put a old comment from a dvd over what's actually happened more recently on the show.
My little theory on Zuko's rapid improvement: When he threw the Blue Spirit mask away, he renounced everything to do with the BS, the stealth, the swordplay, and the stealing and hiding behind a mask. I think that freed him up somehow so he could focus on firebending.
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Post by nandireya on Apr 17, 2007 6:13:41 GMT -5
No swordplay? I think those abilities will come into play during the eclipse...he'll be one of the least helpless firebenders.
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Post by aangryjerk on Apr 17, 2007 10:31:25 GMT -5
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Post by yiceman on Apr 17, 2007 18:17:17 GMT -5
Ana, what are you going to trust more, an old comment made an entire season ago and the speculation that the creators were, at that time, purposefully shackling Zuko as a bender permanently, or your own eyes?
If you heard someone say that Bob isn't very strong, and then a year later you see Bob lift a car, what will you believe?
That old comment has no relevence to the most recent piece of evidence, and in a case such as this, how strong someone is, the most recent is the ONLY evidence you go by. When boxers get weighed before their fights, the number presented is how much they weigh RIGHT THEN, not an average of how they've weighed over the past 5 years. And several boxers have changed weight classes, beefing up or slimming down, but aren't still considered a heavyweight if they weigh 150 now because they were 250 last year.
If Zuko isn't a good bender at all, then how could he have possibly been beating Aang? How could he have met Katara face-to-face, when the waterbender had just pretty thoroghly overcome Azula. If you want to argue that he's not as strong as Aang, I can see some reason in that, but to say he's not even GOOD is to ignore the entire season finale.
I don't see how Zuko could suddenly have all these mad skills, and then that newfound power isn't transfered over to season 3. It's not consistent. No matter what M&B's opinion of season 1 Zuko was, it's obvious they changed their mind by CoD. I don't see them doing commentary for that as Zuko is slapping Aang around and saying "This is kind of funny, because Zuko's not a good bender. The story behind this is that Aang got a piece of rock in his eye so he couldn't see to well, and he hadn't slept in very long, and he had an itch on his back, and..."
Let's just pretend this is the UFC. When two fighters go through all the rounds and no one gets a KO, the judges mark up how many hits and take downs etc and decide on a winner. Pretend you're a judge. Watching the fight of Zuko vs Aang in CoD, who would you give the win to? Who had the advantage, who fought the best?
My vote is Zuko. From memory, let's tally up the score:
--Zuko hits Aang with a fireblast, Aang blocks but is knocked back. --Zuko attacks. --Aang runs and sends an air-blast at Aang. Zuko blocks but is knocked back. --Aang jumps in to attack. --Zuko instantly regains his feet, dodges the attack and counters. --Aang flees. --Zuko attacks in rapid fire, forcing Aang to stay on the run. --Zuko sends a huge attack at Aang. --Aang attempts to block, but his shield is overhwhelmed and he's blasted back. --Zuko creates two fire-whips and starts slicing at the columns, limiting the places Aang can hide while keeping him on the run. --Aang knocks off a chunk of rock and slams it into the ground. --Zuko is knocked back and regains his feet after a moment of being stunned, looking unhurt. --Aang is down for approximately 20 seconds (twice as long as a KO count in boxing), groaning in pain and moving stiffly, meaning his attack hurt himself more than his opponent.
To count:
Number of times I counted Zuko attacking: 20 Number of successful hits: 2 Number of times being hit: 2
Number of times I counted Aang attacking: 3 Number of successful hits: 2 Number of times being hit: 3 (counting one that hurt himself).
I think Zuko won by decision if not KO.
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Post by mcrowdy on May 1, 2007 23:25:26 GMT -5
Well after seeing CoD. I would have to say Zuko is atleast on Azula's level as a bender. We can use Katara as a measuring stick. Azula pretty much lost to Katara in one on one but Zuko held his own.
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Post by nandireya on May 2, 2007 1:45:06 GMT -5
But that could also be because Azula, talented as she is, has never actually battled a waterbender before, at least that we know of. Zuko knows how to fight waterbenders, Katara in particular. It was his knowledge and experience that made him the more formidable opponent in this case.
Not to say he isn't powerful in his own right. It's been said elsewhere that he and Katara are examples of hard work paying off...that unlike Aang and Azula, they don't rely on raw talent.
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Post by dragonflly on May 2, 2007 12:48:09 GMT -5
No swordplay? I think those abilities will come into play during the eclipse...he'll be one of the least helpless firebenders. I see the swords coming into play as well. I remember the creators saying that firebending was not really Zuko's strong point, that his skills lay elsewhere. I think it's kinda obvious that his skill is broadswords, so why would they give him an awesome skill if he wasn't going to use it only but a few times? His bending is improving fast and well, but I do think that the swords will be his biggest weapon, and I love watching him use them(for reasons I will not disclose). Although I would love to see his bending escalate to the point of creating and using lightening, just cause it'd be cool!
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Post by yiceman on May 2, 2007 17:34:00 GMT -5
One thing I would like to see: remember the fire daggers he used to make now and then? Two words
Fire Broadswords.
Yeah, baby.
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Post by nandireya on May 3, 2007 3:54:57 GMT -5
Fire daggers...fire whips...fire swords...a natural progression?
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Post by attonbitus on May 3, 2007 11:20:37 GMT -5
Makes sense to me, though me might see him just light his board swords on fire.
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Post by Silver-Angel! on May 3, 2007 16:02:02 GMT -5
I think he's gotten good compared to where he was at in the beginning. He was just learning the basics, but now he can keep up with the other characters. Zuko has done a real good job holding Katara off before.. does that mean she's not "good" too?
I also don't think you should compare him to Azula or Iroh, considering Iroh has years more experience such as being a general, and Azula is a prodigy, a once in a blue moon firebending genius.
And about the swords. He's really awesome with them. Even if he's not the best firebender in the world, he obviously has skill.
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Post by dragonflly on May 3, 2007 23:08:11 GMT -5
One thing I would like to see: remember the fire daggers he used to make now and then? Two words Fire Broadswords. Yeah, baby. That would be the coolest!!! But seriously, I would love to see him use the swords alot more in the next season. He's got the talent, let the boy use it! And I do hope that they progress his firebending, he's improved so much, why stop there?! Let the boy kick some serious butt, we all want to see it!
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