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Post by dragonflly on Apr 14, 2007 15:28:57 GMT -5
^Sad, but true. I guess Aang just didn't want to sink as low as Zuko or Azula. Huh?... Are you saying Zuko fought dirty during the finalé? Examples, please. Quoting those before me, Aang was totally oblivious to the generous supply of water in the catacombs. He fought stupidly, to be blunt -- Zuko did not. Yes, examples of Zuko fighting dirty in CoD would be great, cause I must've missed it. And if I did miss something I want to know.
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Post by aangryjerk on Apr 14, 2007 15:36:27 GMT -5
That's a really interesting idea. With the connection to the Avatar State lost, Aang lost that subconscious connection to his past lives. Even without enterting the Avatar State, perhaps having that connection allowed him to fight better, as if by memory and instinct. Kind of like a Jungian collective unconscious...except with one person and his past lives. He lost that ability to fight insticntively. In his previous battles, Aang always seemed came up with some clever trick out of the blue. It could be that he was drawing on his past life experiences. But if he's lost contact with them, which I think he has since he interupted his AS training, I think he will be much more challenged in future battles. He's going to have to learn to fight smart on his own.
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Post by yiceman on Apr 14, 2007 15:42:04 GMT -5
Learning firebending could be even harder for him than learning earthbending now. He won't be able to call on instinct and master it in a flash like waterbending.
As for Zuko, I'd say he always was close to Aang. He has always been good enough to face him head on. Considering CoD is the most recent testiment to their skill, calling on past fights doesn't do much.
If Steve has always been stronger than Jack in the past, but Jack more recently worked out and lifted more weight than Steve, who is stronger? You have to use the most recent evidence.
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Post by wildimagination on Apr 15, 2007 0:31:06 GMT -5
Huh?... Are you saying Zuko fought dirty during the finalé? Examples, please. Quoting those before me, Aang was totally oblivious to the generous supply of water in the catacombs. He fought stupidly, to be blunt -- Zuko did not. I meant Aang didn't want to stoop to Zuko's levl of evilness, you weirdos. Yes, examples of Zuko fighting dirty in CoD would be great, cause I must've missed it. And if I did miss something I want to know.
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Post by nandireya on Apr 15, 2007 0:48:03 GMT -5
Where was Zuko evil?
It's all a matter of perspective. Zuko has been raised to believe the Avatar is some big bogey man who's hell-bent on destroying his nation and his people...how does fighting for the lives of your people make you evil? To Zuko, Aang's akin to Osama Bin Laden...
Azula's, different. Her evilness comes from the fact that she takes pleasure in hurting people...Zuko may fight, but as yet, he's never killed anyone or brought them to lasting harm...the same cannot be said of Aang...
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Post by avaang15 on Apr 15, 2007 6:43:10 GMT -5
^If u are referring to the SOTN, it was either he destroy the firenation soldiers or have them destroy the Water tribe and everyone on it. He made the right choice. Aang's the hero, meaning that he has to beat the bad guys by any means necessary.
But i don't think Aang enjoys killing because if he did, do u really think Zuko would still be alive? ;D
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Post by aangryjerk on Apr 15, 2007 9:22:48 GMT -5
^^Well actually that wasn't really Aang. It was the Ocean Spirit, who was very ticked off because some FN fool killed it's buddy the Moon Spirit. He provided his power of the Avatar to the Ocean Spirit, and it took its revenge. I suppose realistically all those soldiers it washed away drowned, but I think they weren't meant by the writers to count. When the Ocean Spirit went for Zhao specifically, it set Aang down first. So I don't see Aang as being responsible for any casualties in that battle.
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Post by Fire Lord Azula on Apr 15, 2007 12:09:56 GMT -5
I meant Aang didn't want to stoop to Zuko's levl of evilness, you weirdos. Zuko isn't evil in any way, shape, or form. He's terribly conflicted and confused. His decision in The Crossroads Of Destiny wasn't borne of malice. He was given a limited time to ponder his options. One: he could side with his sister and ( hopefully ) regain his honor... something he's wanted for years. You and I know it won't happen -- after all, this is Azula we're talking about -- but Zuko clings to an ever-present hope. It's what drives him. Sad, yes, but such is his way. Two: he could join Aang and forever be seen as a traitor in the eyes of his beloved nation. Nowhere did I get the feeling that he joined Azula because "RAAAH I'M EVIL AND HATE AANG!!!". You didn't miss his final scene at the end of the episode, did you? That look of indecision, possible regret, and guilt over his choice?
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Post by night on Apr 15, 2007 14:28:43 GMT -5
I meant Aang didn't want to stoop to Zuko's levl of evilness, you weirdos. Zuko isn't evil in any way, shape, or form. He's terribly conflicted and confused. His decision in The Crossroads Of Destiny wasn't borne of malice. He was given a limited time to ponder his options. One: he could side with his sister and ( hopefully ) regain his honor... something he's wanted for years. You and I know it won't happen -- after all, this is Azula we're talking about -- but Zuko clings to an ever-present hope. It's what drives him. Sad, yes, but such is his way. Two: he could join Aang and forever be seen as a traitor in the eyes of his beloved nation. Nowhere did I get the feeling that he joined Azula because "RAAAH I'M EVIL AND HATE AANG!!!". You didn't miss his final scene at the end of the episode, did you? That look of indecision, possible regret, and guilt over his choice? Well said, Zoisaito. *karma*
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Post by demonofthewest on Apr 15, 2007 14:49:20 GMT -5
One thing I've noticed is that everyone keeps saying, "Aang wasn't fighting at his best! He was distracted! He was emotionally unstable!"
True, Aang was probably distracted. But so was Zuko. Zuko turned his back on Iroh, the one person in the world who loves him. It was clear that he made that decision with a heavy heart. How could that not have affected him during the battle? If anything, he would be thinking, "What am I doing? What am I doing?" over and over again. And yet, he still came out on top in that fight.
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Post by aangryjerk on Apr 15, 2007 17:36:33 GMT -5
Zuko may fight, but as yet, he's never killed anyone or brought them to lasting harm...the same cannot be said of Aang... Holy crud! I just remembered when Aang killed that vulture-bee, just because he was mad that it had taken Momo. Even though it had released Momo, Aang still sliced it's head off. I can't believe I forgot about that. When I first saw it, I was shocked, and it still makes me shake my head when I see it. It was an evil act, particularly from a vegan monk who was raised to value all life. Has Zuko killed or hurt anyone or anything simply because he was mad? No, he hasn't. He even tried to save the life of a man who had been a thorn in his side. So why is he being considered "evil" and Aang "good"? There's a huge bias here that I don't like.
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Post by wwe1415 on Apr 15, 2007 17:49:25 GMT -5
Zuko may fight, but as yet, he's never killed anyone or brought them to lasting harm...the same cannot be said of Aang... Holy crud! I just remembered when Aang killed that vulture-bee, just because he was mad that it had taken Momo. Even though it had released Momo, Aang still sliced it's head off. I can't believe I forgot about that. When I first saw it, I was shocked, and it still makes me shake my head when I see it. It was an evil act, particularly from a vegan monk who was raised to value all life. I was actually cheering after he did that. That was awesome. Seriously, the vulture-bee took something precious to Aang, can u honestly say that Zuko wouldn't done the same thing? dang, I wonder what kind of fuss people are going to make over Aang killing the Firelord ........whoever that may be
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Post by yiceman on Apr 15, 2007 17:53:00 GMT -5
Zuko didn't slit the throats of the earthbending soldiers who kidnapped Iroh, did he? They defeated them and walked away, as Aang should have.
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Post by aangryjerk on Apr 15, 2007 17:55:39 GMT -5
Seriously, the vulture-bee took something precious to Aang, can u honestly say that Zuko wouldn't done the same thing? Yeah, I can.
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Post by avaang15 on Apr 15, 2007 17:58:35 GMT -5
Aang killing a vulture-bee isn't all that serious imo Aang was "conflicted"
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