Astronomy
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Post by Astronomy on Dec 30, 2007 13:52:07 GMT -5
^We all know who'd win though. ;D *coughaangcough*
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Kyatto
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Post by Kyatto on Dec 30, 2007 15:06:25 GMT -5
I could totally see Sokka trying to pull the smooth moves he used with Yue on Zuko.
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THERE IS SO MUCH SUBTEXT.
You know. Just watch. It'll happen. There'll be a gay relationship. and I'll be the one sitting here, laughing, and saying "I knew I wasn't crazy." while everyone else whines and complains and freaks out.
People have been saying EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED as well as M&B likes to pull fast ones on us.
What better way to teach acceptance to kids. Seriously.
By the way, I'm not really serious about this. Just amused.
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zutarian4eva
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Post by zutarian4eva on Dec 30, 2007 16:47:45 GMT -5
As a Zutarian; That last scene with Katara threatening Zuko is exactly what we've been waiting for. Zutarians, such as myself, would take that scene as a foreshadowing. Why? This is because we don't like "ZAP" Omg Zuko! Welcome to the Gaang! "ZAP" That wouldn't be cool. Besides, Katara is the only one in the group other than Aang that has seen Zuko's good side. *(However, since his "Betrayal", which people debate on about if he really did betray her or not, I say he betrayed her TRUST.)* The good thing about the "Betrayal of Trust", their relationship as companions will have to develop in order to work together. And during that development, it is possible that feelings towards each other could be born. Also; as someone mentioned before, Katara nor Aang spoke about the kiss during WAT. I think it will either be pushed aside to another episode or even forgotten. But I know that serious Kataangs will be praying their minds out for it not to be forgotten. From some Zutarians and my own POV:  During the DOBS, Katara did not feel the same way towards Aang at the end of the kiss. Of course she isn't going to go and reject him before he goes off to Fight the Fire Lord, that would just break his young charming heart. As some may argue against this saying, "Oh! OH! But she was worried!" or something like that, I don't know.  If I just threw in Flames without knowing it. Forgive me. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS SERIOUS! I DO NOT WANT A WAR TO START! Besides, doesn't Aang already have one to stop?   |
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Post by psylum on Dec 30, 2007 17:09:48 GMT -5
The problem with that train of logic is this  Zuko's betrayal of her trust lead to Aang's near permanent death. There is one thing that can't be argued, Aang is the most important person in her life, and Zuko choice almost ended his life for good. That's the ultimate price Katara was talking about. As for the kiss, well there's been a ton of Katara->Aang this season alone and there's really nothing to suggest that that's all of a sudden stopped. |
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Post by liz6363 on Dec 30, 2007 20:43:57 GMT -5
The kiss will not be forgotten, that's just crazy talk. They will address it in the next episode I'm sure they'll talk about it once things settle down a little bit after the, you know, massive invasion where everyone's lives were put in danger and everyones parents were locked in prison at the firenation for who knows how long and then Zuko comes along and combustion man tries to kill everyone... I find it very unlikely that Katara and Aang would be discussing their relationship after all the crap they were dealing with in that episode. Just because there was no acknowledgement of the kiss in that episode doesn't mean it will be forgotten. I also think that Katara isn't the kind of person to lead Aang on and let him think she cares about him. That's just not the sort of thing Katara would do... I acknowledge the fact that Katara wouldn't flat out reject him before he left but she also wouldn't kiss him back if she didn't feel atleast the possibility of the relationship. And she's kissed him on the cheek many times before and given him the eyes while doing the Kataango and I still can't accept the fact that a deaththreat is foreshadowing or a hint at the ship... we'll see in the next episode how things play out between Katara and her boys. I think it could go either depending on Zuko's behaviour and such but probability wise? I'm guessing Kataang. |
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Post by Sb on Dec 30, 2007 22:06:36 GMT -5
Zuko's betrayal of her trust lead to Aang's near permanent death. There is one thing that can't be argued, Aang is the most important person in her life, and Zuko choice almost ended his life for good. That's the ultimate price Katara was talking about. Aang didn't almost die *because* Zuko betrayed them. It could have happened a million different ways. If Zuko had sided with them, Aang still could have realized he couldn't win without the Avatar state, and attempted to unlock the 7th chakra, and be shot down by Azula. I know you're a Kataang, but that is no reason to blame the entire thing on Zuko. I see more fault in other people, which I am not going to get in to at the moment. |
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pg15
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Post by pg15 on Dec 30, 2007 22:14:50 GMT -5
Actually, Azula was already cornered. The battle could've ended right then and there, with Azula facing Katara and Aang. If she attacked one of them, the other would've attacked her; the good guys would've won. If Zuko had sided with Aang, then we would've won even faster.
But, it was Zuko's act of joining Azula that balanced the sides, thereby prolonging the battle. Aang's death was caused by Azula, yes, but it would've never gotten that far had Zuko not joined her.
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Post by psylum on Dec 30, 2007 22:18:15 GMT -5
I'm not blaming a thing on Zuko. He made the only decision he could have made and in the end came out better for it.
Katara is the one blaming Zuko for the way things did turn out in the catacombs.
Just because I ship Kataang doesn't mean I don't Zuko, I've always had a soft spot for his character.
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Zenjamin
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Post by Zenjamin on Dec 30, 2007 22:18:37 GMT -5
Aang didn't almost die *because* Zuko betrayed them. It could have happened a million different ways. If Zuko had sided with them, Aang still could have realized he couldn't win without the Avatar state, and attempted to unlock the 7th chakra, and be shot down by Azula. I know you're a Kataang, but that is no reason to blame the entire thing on Zuko. I see more fault in other people, which I am not going to get in to at the moment. ya... but again, your being logical... katara isnt. right now, the only person katara can blame, is zuko. and she quite clearly does. |
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Post by Sb on Dec 30, 2007 22:29:47 GMT -5
Aang didn't almost die *because* Zuko betrayed them. It could have happened a million different ways. If Zuko had sided with them, Aang still could have realized he couldn't win without the Avatar state, and attempted to unlock the 7th chakra, and be shot down by Azula. I know you're a Kataang, but that is no reason to blame the entire thing on Zuko. I see more fault in other people, which I am not going to get in to at the moment. ya... but again, your being logical... katara isnt. right now, the only person katara can blame, is zuko. and she quite clearly does. I didn't interpret it that way. I took it more as she was mad because she was expecting him to be on their side after what had happened, but he sided with Azula. She knows he's had trouble deciding right and wrong in the past, and she's made because she thinks he's trying to deceive them once again. Unless I totally missed something from their conversation (which is quite possible), I don't think she was blaming it on him at all. pg15- I disagree with that statement. It's like, we have no idea how it would have turned out if Aang hadn't run away. Anything could have happened if Zuko had sided with the Gaang in COD. |
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pg15
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Post by pg15 on Dec 30, 2007 22:55:16 GMT -5
No...not *anything* could've happened.
Azula was cornered, that much was obvious. If Zuko sided with the Gaang, then Azula would be more cornered. The battle would've been won easily, Azula disposed of, and Aang, Katara, and Zuko would've gotten away without a need for Aang to try to master the Avatar State, and he won't be shot by lightening.
The way that scene was shot, it was clear that everything hinged on Zuko's choice. Thus, it's only logical to assume that if Zuko had chosen differently, all the crap the Gaang went through wouldn't have happened.
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yiceman
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Post by yiceman on Dec 30, 2007 23:01:37 GMT -5
^Not really...Azula had 50 Dai Li members lurking in the shadows. Aang didn't give up until he saw them show up.
So blame them ;p
The fact remains Azula didn't NEED Zuko for anything. She had her own personal army.
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Momo
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Post by Sb on Dec 30, 2007 23:05:05 GMT -5
^Yep, there were plenty of Dai Lee agents hanging around.
Who knows, they might have came out earlier if Zuko hadn't sided with Azula.
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yiceman
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Post by yiceman on Dec 30, 2007 23:12:19 GMT -5
Azula purposefully sent them away when she started talking with Zuko. It seems she wanted to be sure that she could rely on him to some extent. She could have swooped in and crushed Aang and Katara at any time.
One could say that CoD might have gone much better had Aang not run off from the Guru, but no need to get into that ;x
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pg15
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Post by pg15 on Dec 30, 2007 23:14:50 GMT -5
I don't know...Azula looked pretty "freaked" (for Azula) when both Katara and Aang were aiming at her and she was cornered. You'd think she'd be pretty confident, like she was in DOBS, if the Dai Li were just around the corner.
The fact that the Dai Li didn't show up earlier in the battle in the show also says to me that they couldn't have. I mean, why did they arrive at the time they did, when the battle was still pretty evenly matched before and at the time of their arrival? Why didn't they arrive earlier?
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