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Post by Werewolf Cookie on Jan 25, 2007 4:30:32 GMT -5
Azula's been around for a season. Jet was around for four or five episodes, and he went from antagonistic to loveable. In another season, I don't think Azula could become loveable but she could become human. She isn't Satan in human form. She'll never be a sweet friendly girl-next-door type, but she might be a person with a soul. I don't ship Azulaang, and of course Aang would never leave Katara for Azula, but I wasn't trying to argue the validity or lack thereof of that particular ship.
Aww, come on, Jetko's not so bad. Couldn't you see the lust and sexual tension? Realise that I'm half-joking when I say Jetko is canon, and that I'm not really a Jetko shipper (I'm Zaang through and through. Oh yeah, and Maiko), but I like to defend Jetko because I think as Zuko ships go it's not bad.
We've seen Mai's loving side. It blushes when it falls into a fountain, with its crush on top of it. It's very cute. I wrote a oneshot about what happened to Mai's emotional side. I know it exists, somewhere. With Mai becoming a more major character in the next season maybe we'll get to see it.
And it's Azula's apparent asexuality that makes her so shippable. Nobody can say, "Hey! Azula can't like Ty Lee! She's straight!" because she's not straight. She's the only main character on the show that has yet to show preference for the opposite sex.
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Post by yiceman on Jan 26, 2007 16:45:47 GMT -5
Jet had one episode of being a likeable guy with skewed perspectives caused by emotional trauma. He became "lovable" because he died and we felt bad for him ;p
Azula has had a full season of being nothing but evil. She was even evil in the flashback, when she was like 7 years old. It would destroy her character to hook her up with anyone, imo. She nearly killed Aang, she almost killed Zuko in The Avatar State (she seriously would have hit him square in the face with lightning if not for Iroh), she has no love for her brother, mother, grandfather, uncle, or even father. She looks up to her father, because he's evil too, but she'd probbaly kill him without blinking if she wanted to. Name one instance of Azula showing genuine compassion, when she wasn't trying to trick someone into doing what she wants.
We've seen Mai blush one time, about 7 years ago. Since then, it's all "blaaahhh, I'm bored." I'm not saying it's impossible...she just needs a personality overhaul.
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Post by aquavi on Jan 26, 2007 17:39:31 GMT -5
Jet had one episode of being a likeable guy with skewed perspectives caused by emotional trauma. He became "lovable" because he died and we felt bad for him ;p Azula has had a full season of being nothing but evil. She was even evil in the flashback, when she was like 7 years old. It would destroy her character to hook her up with anyone, imo. She nearly killed Aang, she almost killed Zuko in The Avatar State (she seriously would have hit him square in the face with lightning if not for Iroh), she has no love for her brother, mother, grandfather, uncle, or even father. She looks up to her father, because he's evil too, but she'd probbaly kill him without blinking if she wanted to. Name one instance of Azula showing genuine compassion, when she wasn't trying to trick someone into doing what she wants. We've seen Mai blush one time, about 7 years ago. Since then, it's all "blaaahhh, I'm bored." I'm not saying it's impossible...she just needs a personality overhaul. Azula won't become 'lovable' but 'understandable'. We really don't know why she is the way she is just that she's been like that for a long time and that her father encourages it. It's doubtful that she will find a legit love interest, but that doesn't make her any less shippable. I enjoy the idea of Azula/Everyone mainly because it's kinky. :B As for Mai, enviroment has a lot to do with how you act. It's very likely that Mai will act differently around Zuko, but no one can say for sure yet. I don't think Mai is that flat of a character.
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Post by yiceman on Jan 26, 2007 21:31:54 GMT -5
You're probably right about Mai.
Unfortunatly, if I saw Azula kissing anyone I'd still be thinking she's got a knife hidden in her hand somewhere. The understandable villain's been done, with Zuko, and it would be kind of odd to do it again.
Especially for a character who has yet to show a single decent quality to her.
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Post by aquavi on Jan 26, 2007 21:39:15 GMT -5
You're probably right about Mai. Unfortunatly, if I saw Azula kissing anyone I'd still be thinking she's got a knife hidden in her hand somewhere. The understandable villain's been done, with Zuko, and it would be kind of odd to do it again. Especially for a character who has yet to show a single decent quality to her. Oh I feel the same way, but I like ships that have some mind-effery in them. Even if the ship I'm focused on for this fandom doesn't have that.Except Zuko isn't a perticularly antagonistic villain, and we find out through the course of S1 why he is the way he is (and further more in S2). And his reason weren't perticularly shallow either compared to say, Zhao. I would hope that Azula isn't such a straight foward villain either because... that woud be boring. A villain who is evil simply because they are evil doesn't tend to be much fun. And that brings in various 'Nature vs Nuture' arguements as well.
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Post by yiceman on Jan 28, 2007 3:39:13 GMT -5
I dunno, Azula's pretty fun as she is. ;p
Most people seem to love her for her evilness. I say, why mess with a good thing?
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Post by Werewolf Cookie on Jan 28, 2007 22:56:11 GMT -5
Because evil is all well and good (well, okay, not really) but it makes for a very flat shallow character. One of ATLA's strong points is character development, and if Azula is evil for no reason that's just boring and lame. She might as well be just another Disney villain. I agree that if Azula were to be in a canon romantic relationship I would think it was a little weird, but that doesn't make her any less shippable.
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Post by gambitia on Jan 28, 2007 23:07:50 GMT -5
Because evil is all well and good (well, okay, not really) but it makes for a very flat shallow character. One of ATLA's strong points is character development, and if Azula is evil for no reason that's just boring and lame. She might as well be just another Disney villain. I agree that if Azula were to be in a canon romantic relationship I would think it was a little weird, but that doesn't make her any less shippable. As far as we've seen, Azula is evil because she was encouraged to be by what she saw going on around her, and presumably Ozai's influence. It's not as interesting as Zuko's past, and is a pretty standard villian set-up, but that's the only reason we've been given so far. As a child, Azula was like those horrible little children you see on Supernanny--she was dominating, loud, sadistic, and controlling. Ozai almost certainly encouraged her behavior, as those are traits he most likely exhibits himself and are quite useful in a ruler. So she learned that her "evil ways" were actually good ways. Azula has a really screwed up moral compass.
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Post by yiceman on Jan 29, 2007 2:50:27 GMT -5
We never exactly saw Zhao's good side.
I think Azula is there to full the role of the major antagonist until Ozai gets a bigger part. I don't think, or want, her to become nice. I like her as she is: cold, calculating, devious, and unlovable.
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Post by Werewolf Cookie on Jan 29, 2007 4:17:23 GMT -5
I'm not asking for her personality to change, I merely would like a little more character development and backstory. Even if she is TEH EVOL, she can still be a well-developed character. And she's still totally shippable. A manipulative, hurtful controlling relationship is still a relationship. Azula-shipping doesn't require her to be a nice person, because Azula-shipping isn't fluffy, it's abusive and kinda kinky.
And Zhaola is like, teh awesomeness, because Azula would get pregnant with Zhao's baby just to torture Zuko.
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Post by aquavi on Jan 29, 2007 9:21:27 GMT -5
And Zhaola is like, teh awesomeness, because Azula would get pregnant with Zhao's baby just to torture Zuko. Azula: Zuzu, the Spirit World just called. It's not yours; it's Zhao's. Zuko: D:
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Post by yiceman on Jan 29, 2007 18:11:17 GMT -5
I feel sorry for anyone who ever hooked up with Azula.
Kinky? Well that applies to fanfiction and fanon, things outside the show. Nick's not going to do anything kinky. I'm talking canon-wise here. Azula's not going to hook up with anyone on the show.
And we've already seen backstory on Azula...she was just as evil then as she is now. And she'll be just as evil in another 7 years to, if no one kills her first. The redeemable villain is Zuko, now we need the pure-evil villan.
But if you want to write a kinky Zhaozula story, g'ahead, no problems there (other than moral ones).
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Post by Werewolf Cookie on Jan 29, 2007 18:47:13 GMT -5
Obviously Nick won't do anything kinky. Most nick.com users don't know what the word means. And I'm not going to write Zhaola, although I'd love to draw a fan comic with Azula telling Zuko she's pregnant:
Azula: Zuko... I'm pregnant. Zuko: D: Azula: ...And Zhao's the father. Zuko: *pictures scary little girl with sideburns who wants to kill him, then shoots self. Repeatedly*
I'm not asking for Azula to be in a canon relationship, or a fluffy relationship, or anything like that, but she's not one-dimensional and soulless, and she's not unshippable.
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Post by yiceman on Jan 29, 2007 18:59:27 GMT -5
I still need proof of her ever showing genuine compassion ;p
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Post by aquavi on Jan 29, 2007 19:55:29 GMT -5
I still need proof of her ever showing genuine compassion ;p I'm not sure why that would be needed for her to be a dimensional character or have her be shippable.
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