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Jun 26, 2008 20:15:32 GMT -5
Post by Paraiba Ocean on Jun 26, 2008 20:15:32 GMT -5
Wait. Why is this issue closed? Where are the admins to weigh in on this? And I understand that different threads serve different poster's needs, but there isn't a need for 4 identical threads. That's all.
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OGB
Jun 26, 2008 20:27:51 GMT -5
Post by Blind Bandit on Jun 26, 2008 20:27:51 GMT -5
Wait. Why is this issue closed? Where are the admins to weigh in on this? And I understand that different threads serve different poster's needs, but there isn't a need for 4 identical threads. That's all. For now the issue is closed because I've merged the threads. If this is still such a problem we can discuss removing the thread at a later date. Yes I understand where you coming from. But as has been mentioned Jia's and the harem cannot be merged. The fem/ and manly threads where merged to see if it will work. The Admins don't need to weigh in on moving of threads. Or archiving of threads. Unless they feel the need.
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OGB
Jun 26, 2008 23:00:52 GMT -5
Post by darkblood_alchemist on Jun 26, 2008 23:00:52 GMT -5
I'm aware that the "issue is closed" (and, by the way, if it really is then I would lock the thread), but I still feel the need to comment on this issue. First off, is not a good way to start a discussion. You can obviously see that there is some level of disagreement and if you want to discuss it properly you should not automatically dismiss any solutions before they are brought up. Just a basic discussion rule. Secondly, I can see why you feel the need to keep the Harem and Ji's separate. Different groups of people post in each thread and they may not want to mix. However, I'm sure that if you asked both groups there would be little resistance to having a larger discussion group that discusses the same thing (aka. just chats about stuff). Or, as someone stated before, it's just as easy (and faster) to use instant messaging for a small, private, random chat. As for referring to the Photoshop, dream, and rant threads as "the same" they are clearly different in that they discuss a constant topic throughout the entirety of the thread. If you truly feel that they are a waste of space, then the Photoshop thread could be easily moved to Other Creations, seeing as it is an art thread, freeing up a space for a different thread. Nevertheless, seeing as it serves its original purpose, I see no reason for it or any of the aforementioned threads to be considered the same as Ji's, the Harem, or the Manly/Fem. threads which have lost their original purposes. Finally, this is a problem that needs to be addressed because it partially ruins what I feel is the function of the OGB board. I believe that the OGB is a board where people can post new, fun things they've found or heard about, and that function is hindered by the pointlessly repetitive threads. Yes, people can still make new threads and there are a grand total of nine other spots, but those threads will tend to die quicker when they reach the second page. Honestly, how many of us just scan the first page to see if there's anything interesting and then move on? Not that many of us (myself included) bother to go to the second page to see if there's anything interesting, causing threads that reach the second page to die. Even the threads on the bottom of the first page are already half dead. I'm not saying that the staff should definitely start deleting more threads, but that they should at least consider that there is a problem and it needs to be addressed.
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Horyo
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OGB
Jun 26, 2008 23:43:51 GMT -5
Post by Horyo on Jun 26, 2008 23:43:51 GMT -5
The Admins don't need to weigh in on moving of threads. Or archiving of threads. Unless they feel the need. Wait, WHAT?! The admins aren't going to move until they "feel like it?" There's a major disagreement here, dissent on both sides, yet the admins aren't going to do anything about it? Well, now, I see that they have at least left it in capable hands. I think BB's right, let's ignore these issues for now and continue to live happily ever after, just as we should.
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OGB
Jun 26, 2008 23:52:56 GMT -5
Post by Blind Bandit on Jun 26, 2008 23:52:56 GMT -5
Yes i said that because I don't see a hug problem. I merged the threads as comprise and taking at least one thread down. True , but as long as the posts aren't spam and aren't offensive there not a problem. Can we condense a few threads, yes. Is this a problem ? Nope, this is the normal cycle of the OGB. And as for making the larger chat that may or may not work. What I said was they are all long threads that tend to stick around. All the threads serve a purpose it depends on if that purpose is important to you or not. And it if its not interesting to you it serves no purpose for you. These threads are as much a function of the OGB as any other thread. Or dose no one remember that has been some form of tea/ coffee shop for at least a year plus. The OGB serves two purpose, news and random interesting things and threads like ji's, the rant thread and so on. We can look at merging more threads. But people take different things away from the OGB. And it serves several purposes. Well we will do our best. And if we can merge condense more we way do so. The Admins don't need to weigh in on moving of threads. Or archiving of threads. Unless they feel the need. Wait, WHAT?! The admins aren't going to move until they "feel like it?" There's a major disagreement here, dissent on both sides, yet the admins aren't going to do anything about it? Well, now, I see that they have at least left it in capable hands. I think BB's right, let's ignore these issues for now and continue to live happily ever after, just as we should. Horyo we can have the Admins look at this. Thats not the issue. Are they required for the moving / merging / archiving of threads. No . But if enough people feel this is an issue we can bring it to the staff board. would that be more satisfactory ? Horyo if everyone is still dissatisfied with the merging of the threads then we can have the admins weigh in on this. I've seen this kinda thing happen in the OGB before. I will ask an admin or two look over this and way end so we can put and end to this.
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OGB
Jun 27, 2008 0:21:17 GMT -5
Post by darkblood_alchemist on Jun 27, 2008 0:21:17 GMT -5
I see that, but you made that statement prior to taking any action or even agreeing to do anything or discuss the issue. You tried to close it as soon as it came up. And just because you don't see it as a huge problem doesn't mean that it isn't still a problem. Small problems need to be addressed as well.
And if it may work, then what's the harm in trying?
I don't like to be stereotyped or categorized, especially by someone who is supposed to treat everyone equally and without bias (you know that old phrase "when you assume.."?). I wasn't defending threads that I like or bashing threads that I don't like. I was simply stating facts. And, as a matter of fact, I've never posted in the rant or dream threads. Personally, I don't really see why there needs to be threads for such things, but they are alive and on topic so I understand why they stay. As for the Photoshop thread, yes I post there rather often but I'm analyzing it from a purely objective point of view.
And I can see why there should be a chat thread. When I was more active I posted in one of the old ones all the time. However, there is no real need for more than one.
I understand that perfectly well. I was merely stated what I believed was the function of the OGB; not the official DH definition. I never said that there should be no chat thread at all, but that it should be condensed into one to allow the other purposes of the OGB to have an equal "say". As for "no one remembering", quite honestly I've been on DH for a while, I remember. But notice how you said "some form". Singular. There was not always a "need" to have tons of chat threads, and yes I get that the forum is in a slump and any activity should be considered good activity. But why should that cause a decrease in the quality of threads?
And this is all I asked for. For the staff to discuss the issue together (and possibly with some of the other members; after all, they use this forum too), and after discussing come up with a reasonable solution.
(and I find it interesting how you seemed to take my post as a personal attack, BB. I was simply making my thoughts known; if the posts I disagreed with were yours then that's just by chance and I didn't mean to offend.)
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OGB
Jun 27, 2008 0:35:27 GMT -5
Post by Blind Bandit on Jun 27, 2008 0:35:27 GMT -5
Yes I did, I didn't mention that I've seen this issue come at least 3 times in some form in the OGB. This is a very common complaint actually. I should have been more specific.
We can always look into.
point taken.
This kinda of depends. Many people haven't mentioned a problem with the OGB. But again we will look at it.
Again this comes don't to a differnce of opnion and what the OGB is for.
As I've said we will look into this. I will say that this not seen as an issue for many so there in lies the problem.
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I didn't take your post as a personal attack. And thank you for weighing in on this.
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OGB
Jun 27, 2008 6:58:37 GMT -5
Post by Ignite on Jun 27, 2008 6:58:37 GMT -5
First off, I know that some form of action has already been taken, but seeing how things are still going I feel the necessity to post this.
You guys are going in circles. Stop sticking your foot in the sand, and start working together towards a solution. I think its clear what everyone's opinions are, now try to find a middle road that works for either sides.
An effective and meaningful discussion is not about defending your opinions till the bitter end without wavering an inch, but working together, to bring up both the pro's and cons of the matter at hand, and finding the most suitable solution that's most beneficial to both parties and where everyone can say it's working for them. I'm fully aware of the fact that negotiations that has different opinions of interests is like an arena. But it's time to leave such childish basses behind if people still squabble about the solution that BB already provided. And work together in a more constructive matter.
I think it's time to go about this convo in a more meeting like fashion. Inventorise the pro's and cons, the arguments in favour and against, and from there try to find the, earlier mentioned, most suitable and beneficial solution. In all honesty, this subject has gotten complicated because of your own doings. In my opinion, the matter can be relatively simplistic, if you just go for a middle road and if you aren’t so rigid in your arguments.
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OGB
Jun 27, 2008 7:17:52 GMT -5
Post by Kohana on Jun 27, 2008 7:17:52 GMT -5
Ignite is right. omg, I love you.♥ I couldn't agree more with him. Every good suggestion that perhaps could solve this issue, is being brushed aside because it doesn't agree with another's opinion. Or every good argument is being countered by the same argument over and over. Ignite is right, this thread is going in circles. I think a pro/con list would be excellent here. First of all, this thread starting out by suggesting to only keep Ji's and the Harem, and ditch the Sexes threads (or now the Battle of the Sexes thread). So let's make a pro/con list about that.
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OGB
Jun 27, 2008 12:31:03 GMT -5
Post by admirality on Jun 27, 2008 12:31:03 GMT -5
DH needs these chat threads.... At the moment there is very little to discuss avatar wise so ppl need chats threads....
Are they hurting anybody? NO
These kind of threads build friendship between members and ppl like me who live in the middle of nowhere miles away from friends enjoy these threads they provide ppl to talk with and some sanity...
There is no point trashing threads for the sake of it...
If ppl don't like these kind of threads they are not being forced to post in them so why is problem with them?
Plently of ppl enjoy these threads it is unfair to get rid of them and spoil it for so many ppl when only a few hav issues with it...
And these threads are not identical.... some ppl stay in Jis some in the femine some post in all but who cares.... If ppl are enjoying themselves why shud it matter
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OGB
Jun 27, 2008 13:05:00 GMT -5
Post by night on Jun 27, 2008 13:05:00 GMT -5
I do understand that you enjoy chatting with your friends, but quite honestly, you can use a chatroom on programs such as AIM, MSN, YIM, or perhaps create a chatroom on Chatzy? You aren't limited to DH. It isn't your only option. It is unnecessary to have four threads to serve your chatting needs.
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OGB
Jun 27, 2008 13:13:26 GMT -5
Post by admirality on Jun 27, 2008 13:13:26 GMT -5
I enjoy chatting to the ppl of DH on DH...
Why not delete the old stale threads no one goes on and leave the active threads loads of ppl enjoy... I don't see the point of getting rid of these threads that loads of us enjoy coz coz a handful of ppl don't...
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OGB
Jun 27, 2008 13:20:22 GMT -5
Post by night on Jun 27, 2008 13:20:22 GMT -5
Loads of people? I only see a handful of people actively posting in those threads. The amount of people who are against this idea is relatively equal to the amount of people for it.
I notice that mostly the same people chat in those threads. Again, it would not hurt to make a chatroom elsewhere.
Also, I do not see why we are continuing this argument. As Ignite stated, we are simply going in circles. I welcome the use of a pro/con chart.
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OGB
Jun 27, 2008 13:24:58 GMT -5
Post by nymphadora on Jun 27, 2008 13:24:58 GMT -5
I don't see why we all just drop it.
How is having these threads hurting your enjoyment with DH? That's what I want to know.
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OGB
Jun 27, 2008 13:29:51 GMT -5
Post by night on Jun 27, 2008 13:29:51 GMT -5
Nymphadora, if you want to know why removing the threads would be beneficial, please read the thread. I'm sure numerous reasons have been stated many times.
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