Azula's Flames
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Post by Azula's Flames on Jul 24, 2008 8:37:18 GMT -5
I dont think even if Ursa were to return she could be redeemed and turn 'good'. Its evident from her early childhood while Ursa was still there she enjoyed causing pain and I think thats an inbuilt thing, not just because of Ozai because from what we can see Ozai wasn't always evil so why would he raise Azula to be? He just let her get away with things Ursa wouldn't and that is how Azula thought Ursa didnt love her.
I can maybe see her overcoming her present mental condition in prision after she can calm down for a while but not her inherent cruelty nor her desire to suceed, in fact that will likely increase due to her humiliation only making her more dangerous.
I'd say if she were ever to encounter Ursa again she would chuck a psycho and try and kill her, no tearful reunions
(or maybe I'm just waiting for a new series with her as the villian
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Post by SpiritBender on Jul 24, 2008 8:39:24 GMT -5
"Considering all that she has done, this brief lapse into paranoia was wholly forgiveable and is entirely inconsequential." This continues to blow my mind how deeply in denial Azula's worshipers are about what happened to her. She completely breaks down into a raving beast, and people are saying she just had a "brief lapse into paranoia". Azula is not dead, but she may as well be. Her mind/ego complex revolved around the notion of her being perfect and always in control. When these things were taken away from her, her personality rapidly disintegrated. It goes to show how empty a person she really was, with no real inner strength. There truly was nothing more to her than ambition and lust for power. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Her mommy issues revolved around her need to be perfect. Azula couldn't handle the fact that Ursa thought there was something wrong with her when everybody else around her told her she was perfect and special. Having to acknowledge that Ursa actually loved her meant having to acknowledge that there really could be something wrong with her instead of just being able to write Ursa off as "thinking she was a monster", and Azula couldn't handle that. Some kinds of mental damage can be recovered from. Unfortunately for Azula, there was nothing other than her self-image of power and perfection for her mind to congeal around. At this point, there is no more Azula. Her mind could not adapt to the loss of control, and she is irrevocably gone. The people who say that she could "recover and heal" fail to realize that for Azula to heal and become a better person, she would have to become someone else completely different, and there isn't enough of a mind left to do that. She's gone now, and was never fully there in the first place! Let her go already! This brings me to another point about what Aang did. I don't think that what Aang did really showed mercy to Ozai. Ozai is very similar to Azula in there was nothing more to him that ambition and lust for power either. When Aang took that away from Ozai, his very identity was stripped away from him. The same for Azula -- when she lost control, she lost the very thing that made her who she is. Now both Ozai and Azula will spend years in prison, suffering immensely. If they had just been killed, there pain would have ended right there. Instead, they will know years of tremendous suffering. Perhaps they both deserve it; it's a matter of perspective. I just wanted to draw attention to the fact that there's definitely a dark side to Aang's "mercy". -- Spiritbender
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Azula's Flames
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Post by Azula's Flames on Jul 24, 2008 8:53:26 GMT -5
Well Mike and Bryan have said that she has a chance to heal, and I dont think that means redemption. If there was any chance of her turning to the light side they wouldn't have shown her laughing and taunting as her brother as he died slowly.
And those theories are only if the show were to return with present characters other wise she probably killed herself in prision.
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 24, 2008 9:07:55 GMT -5
^^ Or end up like Hama. Who knows?
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Post by Princess Azula on Jul 24, 2008 14:53:56 GMT -5
Worshippers? Let's not descend into unwarranted hyperbole here.
How can you truly say that she has no inner strength? Her ambitions are single-minded, but that's what allowed her to progress so far at such a young age. It took the course of the entire show for the other characters to get where she was, you'll recall.
She certainly has an excess of intelligence as compared to wisdom, and that's a weakness. She almost certainly had a breakdown--but it's absurd to make a judgment about her from that. We've seen her at her lowest and at her highest, and both of them went completely hand in hand.
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Post by Katara7 on Jul 24, 2008 14:57:44 GMT -5
I do not think so!
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Post by metacree on Jul 25, 2008 16:31:02 GMT -5
Seeing Azula go crazy reminded me of what Jeong Jeong said, "we walk a razor's edge of humanity and savagery, eventually it tears us apart." Not sure if thats the exact quote but thats what i thought back to the moment i saw her starting to go crazy. But really, instead of Azula's psychotic breakdown, I think we should really focus on Aang's A.D.D!
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Post by mastermind on Jul 25, 2008 16:55:45 GMT -5
Hmmm, maybe Azula will calm down, forget about everything, and meet a nice guy in prison...
Then everyone will be happy!
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Post by Princess Azula on Jul 26, 2008 18:45:56 GMT -5
You know, if Azula was so nuts and emotional, how did she still manage to perform lightning? It's rather odd--because her firebending was erratic and crazy, unlike her usual efficient technique.
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Post by metacree on Jul 26, 2008 20:15:11 GMT -5
You know, if Azula was so nuts and emotional, how did she still manage to perform lightning? It's rather odd--because her firebending was erratic and crazy, unlike her usual efficient technique. I was wondering about that too. Especially because of what Iroh said about lightning to Zuko. I think it was something about it not being fueled by emotions and stuff. And zuko couldn't do it because of his inner turmoil so it's kinda weird that Azula did it in her crazy state of mind.
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Post by SpiritBender on Jul 30, 2008 14:36:17 GMT -5
How can you truly say that she has no inner strength? Her ambitions are single-minded, but that's what allowed her to progress so far at such a young age. It took the course of the entire show for the other characters to get where she was, you'll recall. Azula is a prodigy; her firebending skills came to her without much effort. Yes, she did practice and work at it, but remember Zuko's speech at Aang in SoTN: "You're like my sister. Everything always came easy to her. She's a firebending prodigy and everyone adores her. My father says she was born lucky. He says I was lucky to be born. I don't need luck though, I don't want it. I've always had to struggle and fight and that's made me strong. It's made me who I am." Azula was very powerful, but it came easily to her; she never had to struggle the way Zuko did. She was a spoiled princess who always got her way and was always told how perfect and wonderful she was. She was never banished; she never traveled around the world without the support of the Fire Nation military and royal forces. Azula never learned the perspectives of the other elements, or studied other forms and techniques beyond her royal teachers. She never looked deep within herself and questioned who she was and what she really believed in. Those are the things that build character, and REAL inner strength. Azula always unquestioningly believed that she would (and more ominously, SHOULD) win the throne and rule the world. Yes, she had a very forceful personality, but all of that force came from arrogance. Unlike Zuko, who was repeatedly knocked down and got up every time, Azula started to crack the first time she truly lost control, and real defeat broke her utterly. ( The Drill doesn't count in her mind; it was just a setback.) THAT'S why I say Azula had no real inner strength. Azula may not always be a raving beast the way she was at the end of Sozin's Comet, but she will never be mentally stable again. I could see her later breaking out and seeking revenge, but she'll never be a whole person. Again, she was missing critical elements of humanity, like empathy, that prevented her from being a whole person. As I said before, her mommy issues had to do with Ursa not thinking that Azula was perfect like everyone else -- NOT a "lack of mommy's love". Azula (and Ozai) are people who have no concept of real love whatsoever. The scene with the mirror and the Ursa hallucination was, perhaps, some part of Azula's mind realizing how utterly alone she was and had always been. Still, her mind was warped by fear, was too far down the path she had been going down to turn back. -- Spiritbender p.s. Oh, and as far as the lightning goes, I think that's just one of the things you have to accept for the sake of the story. Maybe it was her single-mindedness in her intent to defeat Zuko, or maybe the writers decided to break their own rules because of plot demands. Writers are allowed to do that, you know.
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Post by Azula The Legend on Aug 12, 2008 23:58:37 GMT -5
I doubt Azula can turn good (poor her ) It's too late. Already we see in her childhood that she is a cruel sister and torments her sibling, both physically and psychologically. I think she can do lightning because of her apathy, and plus she is a firebending prodigy.
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Post by fuego on Aug 13, 2008 1:31:36 GMT -5
I find it funny that all this redemption and forgiveness came out because of "The Beach" & the previews we saw for the second half...I mean where was all this Sympathy for the Devil for season two. She is always set by her actions and onvictions and never once had to second guess herself and ask if her actions where "bad". She knew what she was doing. I also laugh that people are painting her as the Joker and yet as everyone that seen the movie, has anyone ever stated that the joker's exploits were deem "crazy" and had a mental problem. P.S. I don't know if false or shock but I give you Azula's Flames karma for predicting what is going to happen I dont think we will see a redemption for Azula, thats Zuko's story. She can serve as a parellell story of Zuko, what could have happened to him if he didnt choose to join Aang. I compleatly agree with Fire Lord Azula (as usual) the girl is a certifyable sociopath and what she craves in life is control and it looks like shes going to start loosing it pretty soon. She thrives in fear and power and has always wanted to be firelord. Now she has got that but not quite in the way that she invisioned, shes a puppet subordinate to her father. She may attack Ozai, not for the greater good but out of anger of being denied power and Ozai will immediatly shut her down. The reason that shes angry/upset at the vision of her mother is not out of guilt. I think she hates her mother because she was the one person who she could not control or manipulate. Ursa is the one person who knew exactly what Azula was and Azula didnt like it. I have a little theory that when Azula sees Ursa in the mirror she will flip out and she herself as her mother leading to the blue flame crazula (see icon<) and I think she will cut off her own hair to loose this resemblace because look at the back of her hair in this pic (someone else will cut her bangs in a fight)
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Post by shen on Mar 7, 2009 14:45:58 GMT -5
Bitter Work Iroh: No, she’s crazy and she needs to go down.
Her defeat gave her a lesson to distinguish between right and wrong.
Azula's real problem was Ozai not Ursa.Her mother's banishment devastated Azula more than Zuko. She misunderstood her mother and thought Zuko was her favorite child. Ursa loved her children unconditionally.Iroh was Zuko's guide while Azula did not have anyone to guide her.Zuko sent her to the mental facility to heal and redeem herself. I think Azula has a chance of redemption.
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Post by Horyo on Mar 9, 2009 7:07:38 GMT -5
But consider all of her pent-up anger and dislike; her method of making and maintaining friends also shows how unhealthy her social aptitude is. She was crafted out to be evil, and I don't feel that she has any chance to be saved from that, unless she underwent some amnesia.
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