Power
Fire Lord Zuko
Kataangian Elite. Air/Water Warrior
Toph and Sokka. Every day they get closer to each other.
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Post by Power on Oct 13, 2007 17:41:45 GMT -5
Same here, big props Marvel. You just summed up a bunch of my arguements about Kataang in one neat pacakge. Aang's dependance is blatant, as was pointed out in Painted Lady, when he went along with whatever she said without any thought. She may be a great nurturing support for Aang, but she's the blind spot in his reasoning. Similarly, and less up front is the insinuation of how Katara's persona has grown around Aang. It's only theory, but the notion of being the "Destined Consort of the Avatar", is bound to give a girl a big head. She freed the savior of the world. She is the one the one and only Avatar depends on. She is the one who he will follow without question. Pretty soon it becomes, She is the one who wields the Avatar, or at the very least, she is as important to the world as him. The Painted Lady was practically an exhibition of Arrogance. The villagers did not ask for help, or even seek help. Katara decided they needed her help, and decided she knew what was best for them. And Aang, blinded by his feelings did whatever she said, his support, not to mention the actual Painted Lady's thanks at the end, justified what were in essence selfish and thoughtless acts. I really hope Katara's mistakes are adressed more in the future, or this show will just be getting way too out of hand. Meh, someone is jealous indeed . ROFLMAO! I need to give you karma for this Lun, very thoughtful, but Im not sure if the cesspool is deep enough to hold a merit filled thought. xD
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Post by cyrrylia on Oct 13, 2007 18:06:26 GMT -5
Indeed. I'm actually hoping that later on it's revealed that that Village from The Painted Lady was completely destroyed. With those defeated Fire Nation Factory People fleeing, and telling tales on how this spirit stopped their small brigade from enacting revenge on a insufferable village, they could persuade a larger group to go and perhaps do real battle with this supposed Spirit and destroy the Village. Spirits in the Avatar-verse are not all powerful, as there have been two cases already where a spirit has been overcome. Unfortunately for the Village, no Katara and Aang will be there this time to repel an even larger force. It would certainly show the consequences of their thoughtless actions, in contrast to the Actual Painted Lady giving approval with Katara continuing in her arrogance. I just couldn't believe her self-righteousness with that "I will never abandon people who need me" stuff. To be a bit more fair, her mistakes have been shown before. That whole Jet thing was basically her wrongness being thrown in her face, with Sokka for the first time being shown to be correct. And it was equally as impressive as in The Painted Lady, in that in both cases, she could have/did contribute to the destruction of an entire Village because she was too arrogant to realise that she could be wrong in anything until it was shoved in her face that she was indeed wrong. I just now realised...are all supporters of Taang this hostile towards Katara?
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Post by mike1921 on Oct 13, 2007 18:10:30 GMT -5
no. I'm living proof
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Post by taiyo *on limited hiatus* on Oct 13, 2007 18:23:25 GMT -5
Ow.
Naw, I like Katara. She can get on my nerves sometimes really all the characters except Iroh can. but I like her.
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Post by mike1921 on Oct 13, 2007 18:25:33 GMT -5
The only character who can't get on my nerves is Toph. I don't know why , or Q , or F, or J, or B
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Post by K9Thefirst1 on Oct 13, 2007 18:46:26 GMT -5
I'mn not. In fact, I've never really hated any character.
However, that doesn't mean I don't also love it when stuff gets trown on the good guys faces. To be frank, I'd love to see an episode where the 'Spirit of Judgement'(my idea until they use it) visits Katara in 'er sleep and shows her the village that he destroyed. (throught the FN). I'd pay to hear this line too:
Pan Ding(Judgement in Chinese): "Ordinarily, I would have spared these people. Just as in the past I would have dealt with the source of the Avatar's problems: you, quickly and effectively. However, considering how much Avatar Aang depends on you so much simply to function, not only would such a move be counter-productive, but dangerous.
"And so, your punishment will be to witness the fruits of your hubris and arrogance for the rest of your slumber this evening, and to have these events and images seared into your brain for all time. *simles wickedly* Pleasent dreams, Katara Water Tirbe."
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Post by marvel26 on Oct 13, 2007 18:53:23 GMT -5
Hostile?
Oh no. We just see what blind fans don't. We're like Toph in a way.
They see a independent, strong and capable young woman who holds her own and even surpasses the males in an otherwise male dominated world.
And they're right.
What they don't see or take in to account are the possible and sometimes blatant character flaws she has.
In her defense, she's in a war.
They all are.
A war none of them should be involved in.
I don't know about you but a 15 year old, 14 year old and two 12 year olds, (they should all be at least 1 year older by now, man the Avatar world sure has some long days,) have absolutely no reason to be in a bloodbath. A fact that the creators have thus far avoided by having none of the Fantastic Four take a human life, yet.
Some say that maturity comes faster in the Avatar world, usually used as an excuse to reason why 12 year old Aang can be with 14 Katara.
"Oh the war will mature him to her level. Then they'll all live happily ever after."
(Disclaimer: The above is a flat out snark. Deal with it.)
Uh...no. If anything this war has screwed Aang up royally. Kids in a WAR are not a sign of maturity. Kids in a war are a sign of how F'ed up the world has become.
Once again, the viewer has to come up with this conclusion on his/her own as it is not presented to them plainly.
Wait, I'm digressing.
Back to 'Mother-May-I' shall we?
Like I said, war screws people up.
Guess what? Katara's a person too. So's her brother and the Emotionally Stunted Avatar and the Rock Loli (If Captain Boomerang/Swordsman and her do hook up at their current ages, I will write a letter to the creators consisting of only 3 simple words, "LOLI IS WRONG!")
So please forgive Katara if she seems overly smothering of Aang or if she makes 'It-Seemed-Like-A-Good-Idea-At-The-Time-Honest' decisions without thinking.
Cause this is what happens when one suffers emotional trauma, her mother's death being the hardest hitter, and receives little help about it.
Katara herself states this during The Awakening in her Oscar winning performance scene with Hakoda, telling him that she and her brother needed him to be there despite understanding the importance of him leaving to fight in the war.
So we have:
a) Traumatic loss of a loved one. She lost her mother at an age where she could remember the incident and understood the concepts of life and death.
b) Recieved incomplete conselling about it, her grandmother, bless her, helped a lot but as evidenced in The Awakening, couldn't help her through it fully.
c) Idolised by younger boy to almost annoying levels. "Look what I can do Katara!" and enjoying it. I swear they're like each others dealers keeping in constant need of the other.
d) Having to maintain a semblance of SANITY and the role of 'Mother' in a group consisting of her at times snarky brother, a emotionally dependent spritually nuclear bomb and a rebellious rock runt.
e) Oh and her track record with guys in her age group....not so good.
f) Knowing the world as she knows it will end if they fail.
If that doesn't entitle her to be a little messed in the head, I don't know what does.
To be fair every character has flaws. They have to. Otherwise they wouldn't be people.
I'm wondering when they'd bring up the issue of the Occupation of the Earth Kingdom. Then again I doubt they'd depict POW camps and slave labor. Be a good time to showcase Toph though. Thus far she's the only one who hasn't lost anything close to her yet. Unless she feels gravely about the Fire Nation occupation and the possibility that her family might be dead, if so she hasn't shown any signs of it yet. She's seems the type to bottle everything up until it festers and posions her, not wanting to confide in anyone for lest she destroys the image of being the tough one in the group. And to their shame, none of the group have approached her about it, on screen at least.
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Post by lunauc on Oct 13, 2007 18:55:45 GMT -5
Meh, someone is jealous indeed . ROFLMAO! I need to give you karma for this Lun, very thoughtful, but Im not sure if the cesspool is deep enough to hold a merit filled thought. xD Nah.. like I said before, I'm just disappointed in how far the writing seems to be de-evolving. I really am hoping things turn back. Maybe all the confusion and overbearing jerky plot devices are on purpose to show the troubles of youth inthe beginning and will come together into complex story telling later on. But, I'm not keeping my fingers crossed. And did you just compare my thoughts to a cesspool?
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Post by mike1921 on Oct 13, 2007 19:06:22 GMT -5
Not nesicarily. If the war forces you into a position where you need to mature it might just mature you quicker,or it might make you a wreck. Are you trying to tell anyone Aang aint mature?? He seems pretty Mature to me
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Post by marvel26 on Oct 13, 2007 19:04:15 GMT -5
To his credit, he's getting there.
But given the time frame they have to work with.
It'd be nice if he worked a little harder.
As of right now I have not much faith in him.
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Post by taiyo *on limited hiatus* on Oct 13, 2007 19:07:01 GMT -5
He, like everyone else, have his moments but yeah he's definitely getting better than how he first started out.
*goes to look up cesspool*
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Post by marvel26 on Oct 13, 2007 19:08:53 GMT -5
He, like everyone else, have his moments but yeah he's definitely getting better than how he first started out. *goes to look up cesspool* A cesspool is a pit. A stinking, festering pit of death, disease and decomposition. An example is a septic tank.
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Post by mike1921 on Oct 13, 2007 19:11:21 GMT -5
So you're saying my room is a cesspool?
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Maylene
Avatar Roku
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Post by Maylene on Oct 13, 2007 19:13:20 GMT -5
Some say that maturity comes faster in the Avatar world, usually used as an excuse to reason why 12 year old Aang can be with 14 Katara. Their level isn't like ours, they do mature faster than us--I mean allowed to get married at 16 years old--while with us it's 18.
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Post by mike1921 on Oct 13, 2007 19:18:16 GMT -5
We can legally get married at 16, I'm 99.9999% sure but the parents need to say it's ok. And it isn't socially acceptable
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