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Post by marvel26 on Oct 13, 2007 10:36:24 GMT -5
Well if it makes anyone feel any better, watch Toph's bending of the meteorite fragment again.
Pay close attention to the first (or was it second?) shape.
Anything familiar?
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Post by mike1921 on Oct 13, 2007 10:38:04 GMT -5
Nick logo. If Foamy the Squirell said it it's a fact to me(he's never been wrong before).
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Post by marvel26 on Oct 13, 2007 10:40:29 GMT -5
The Nick logo was the last shape.
The first was the swirl of the Air Nomads.
Followed by a star and the nick logo.
Edit: Re-watched that segment, the swirl seemed more like a transitional form from raw meteorite ore to mallaelable putty as Toph tells them to pay attention after she gets it into putty form.
Still the shape is there if anyone wants to draw conclusions from it.
Personally I think the creators are yanking EVERYONE'S chains. Every pairing regardless. This is at its core still a show about a 100 year war, for it to be reduced to a relationship soap opera seems to cheapen it.
I'm not saying that the love/friendship/whathaveyous should not be there, they should, to give the characters depth, but for it to completely consume the show is just a bad move.
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Post by taiyo *on limited hiatus* on Oct 13, 2007 11:51:06 GMT -5
^LOL. Someone said that too. They have no problem messing with our shipping minds. The shipping chibi short if proof they think we're a tad bit insane I have to say I agree a little bit. Bring on the action with some shipping alongside. *sees post count* Welcome to the Mansion! I know I'm late but better late than never.
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Post by fireflamesinferno on Oct 13, 2007 12:17:38 GMT -5
Is it just me, or is the series in real need of a Toph-centric episode.... The rest of the Gaang has each had an episode so far, and the poor girl gets nothing... I'm feeling a Toph episode with lots of Taangy interaction, lol.
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Post by mike1921 on Oct 13, 2007 12:21:50 GMT -5
Yea I think Toph meant that when she said "I miss the love" She wants the love from the creators she got in the BB, the Chase, and Bitter Work
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Post by marvel26 on Oct 13, 2007 12:43:00 GMT -5
I find the pairing of Aang and Toph to be rather adorable, don't get me wrong. But the bottom line is that they are still children.
What kid at the age of 12 fully understands the concept of love? I am referring to both their attraction/crush to Katara and Sokka as well as between each other.
I think it's safe to say that both Aang and Toph are past the age where by each gender thinks of the other as 'icky', and I have to say it, just entered puberty and are now finding members of the opposite gender attractive.
Here's the crux, majority of such attractions and crushes in my opinion are placed on older individuals and occasionally towards others of their own age.
Girls mature faster mentally than boys, this is obvious in Toph's personality, though she is not above acting like the child she is. Thus a girl might find older boys attractive as they might feel that the boys can match them in maturity. They'll have regular male friends of the same age to pal around with but would mostly place romantic crushes on older boys.
And this is of course called a PHASE.
They eventually grow out of it especially if the object of their affections do not return said affections. Well, some grow out of it. Others might actually make it work.
From what I've seen, Sokka has no such romantic inclinations towards Toph. At all. Another kid sister at best. A kid sister who could pummel him into dust, but a kid sister none the less. And besides, he lost his first love in a epic battle and is in the dark about the whereabouts of his second, he might have some inclination, he knows Azula's ruthless and all. But I doubt he'd go looking for a third girlfriend, I don't think he's that much of a ladies man.
It's Aang I'm a little more worried about.
While Toph would be able to move on with her life if Sokka's end doesn't fall through, she's tough she'll pull through, the same might not be for our world saving cueball.
He is VERY attached to Katara. While this is common like the above example of Toph and Sokka, Aang does not have the luxury of falling back into being a regular kid like Toph. If Sokka does truly break her heart, most likely she'll get emotionally negative, she might not be at her best during that period. Which is okay, as she doesn't really have anything on her shoulders, well nothing as big as SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD hanging over her head.
We have seen Aang act his age many times. Many, many times. Most importantly are his periods in the Avatar State barring the one in the Carverns of Ba Sing Se. When Katara was threatened and when Appa was abducted, the boy immediately lashed out at everything around him.
And when you're the Avatar, immature temper tantrums result in natural disasters, most likely on a global scale.
It's not his fault really. His mental maturity just hasn't caught up to Toph's yet. Being the Avatar does not make you mature from the get go. No, you're still human and you still go through the trials of life just like everyone else. You live, you love, you lose, you move on.
And Katara, gentle soul that she is, might not be aware of it, but she's exacerbating the problem. We know she's very attached to Aang as well, no doubt there. The question is, Why?
Maternal instinct perhaps, made worse by the loss of her own mother. She grew up in a very female dominated village, mostly because the men were all at war and the only male influences in her life were little boys and her brother, who back then, probably acted like a little boy. Thus her instinctual need to mother, protect and comfort is very high. Given, she feels that Aang is the world's last hope for peace, that need has sky rocketed to a very powerful level.
During his time with Pathik, Aang realised that his love for his departed brethern was being projected onto Katara, or something along those lines. Can't quite remember. But still, like I said at the start of this rather long rant, "What kid at the age of 12 fully understands love?"
Has Aang grossly confused familial love with a romantic one?
And yes we see Katara blush and such when placed in close situations with him. What girl wouldn't? If I were to stuff 2 teenagers into a closet, I guarantee that when I open the door, they'd look like stop signs even if they didn't even so much as look at each other.
And her jealousy as displayed in The Headband? Aang is her primary concern. Aang has always made time for her. Aang as always been there by her. In some maternal way, Aang is hers.
Try taking a tiger cub from it's mother. I'll get the search party ready to find your corpse.
I'm not saying her influence on Aang is a bad thing. Oh no, far from it. He's an orphan and needs proper familial guidance. I'm just saying she's laid it on a little thick and isn't fully aware that Aang might be dependent on her, she likes the attention who wouldn't? Her only other choices were Haru, too shy to say anything and Jet who turned out to be a little vengeance crazy. Aang's actions of brief rebellion in The Awakening have shaken that foundation but how far would he have gotten?
Worst case scenario? The war won't be determined by who's army or tactics are better, it'll be determined if a young woman from the Water Tribe gets hurt or killed. And I'm not saying that Aang wins.
There's a high chance of him being incapacitated due to Katara's death. He might simply stop functioning.
Aang needs to be weaned off Katara. And she has to be the one to tell him, he might not believe if the words came from someone else. And from what I've seen, she is'nt likely to do so anytime soon. Confront her about it and she'd probably deny babying Aang too much.
What's more, I find that Aang's Captain America-esque rebirth from the ice was an example of imprinting.
Fresh out of the ice and the first things you see are a scruffy boy and his pretty sister. Gee which one should I emotionally latch on too?
Actually I'm hoping that the Fire Nation wins. Cause at this point in time where the only opposition takes time off to hold dances, partake in masked vigilantism and eco-terrorism and waiting around for ONE member to be trained, I'd say the Fire Lord's chances of victory are in the green.
I have more to type, but it's really late and my brain not work good at night night time.
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Post by Maylene on Oct 13, 2007 13:14:01 GMT -5
^ You deserve a karma. ^_^
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Post by cyrrylia on Oct 13, 2007 13:54:35 GMT -5
I'd have to agree with you there. I found it interesting that that whole Painted Lady thing was just Katara being a manipulative liar, and when Aang finds out he just goes "That's cool, let's go" with no thoughts as to...anything. It's actually likely that Katara and Aang ensured the destruction of that Village, at least, it would be if this was real life. Okay, so a small band of random Fire Nation guys from a Factory couldn't exact revenge for the destruction of an important metal production plant...let's send an actual army! And they would, and there would be nobody there to help protect the village. And it'd be much worse then than that small band of nobodies that Aang and Katara beat. But they don't think about that. It seems that Sokka does, but nobody ever seems to listen to him unless they're in a jam. I think if I was him, I'd go on strike. One of the greatest things about Sokka's Master is that they saw just how important he is to the group. He's the only one who seems to think. Well, Toph does too, but not like Sokka, and she can't read a map. Anyway, the point is that I agree with you. Aang is way too attached to Katara. It goes beyond a simple crush. It's much more than that, something more dangerous for Aang.
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Post by Maylene on Oct 13, 2007 14:01:34 GMT -5
^ It's a need. Katara literally is Aang's water. You can't live without for more than three days.
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Post by taiyo *on limited hiatus* on Oct 13, 2007 14:33:19 GMT -5
And that's where I think the "earthly attachment" is coming from. ^_^;;; Not his love for her but the his high dependence on her. And I'm with Maylene, Marvel26, you deserve karma.
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Post by lunauc on Oct 13, 2007 15:05:35 GMT -5
Same here, big props Marvel. You just summed up a bunch of my arguements about Kataang in one neat pacakge. Aang's dependance is blatant, as was pointed out in Painted Lady, when he went along with whatever she said without any thought. She may be a great nurturing support for Aang, but she's the blind spot in his reasoning. Similarly, and less up front is the insinuation of how Katara's persona has grown around Aang. It's only theory, but the notion of being the "Destined Consort of the Avatar", is bound to give a girl a big head. She freed the savior of the world. She is the one the one and only Avatar depends on. She is the one who he will follow without question. Pretty soon it becomes, She is the one who wields the Avatar, or at the very least, she is as important to the world as him. The Painted Lady was practically an exhibition of Arrogance. The villagers did not ask for help, or even seek help. Katara decided they needed her help, and decided she knew what was best for them. And Aang, blinded by his feelings did whatever she said, his support, not to mention the actual Painted Lady's thanks at the end, justified what were in essence selfish and thoughtless acts. I really hope Katara's mistakes are adressed more in the future, or this show will just be getting way too out of hand.
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Post by mike1921 on Oct 13, 2007 15:27:29 GMT -5
^ It's a need. Katara literally is Aang's water. You can't live without for more than three days. So you're suggesting we kill Aang so Taang can happen for 3 days? ?
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Post by medianoche on Oct 13, 2007 16:13:49 GMT -5
Wow. Reading these last few posts really makes me realize just how many different ways you can interpret a relationship. It's craziness.
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Post by Maylene on Oct 13, 2007 16:42:39 GMT -5
^ It's a need. Katara literally is Aang's water. You can't live without for more than three days. So you're suggesting we kill Aang so Taang can happen for 3 days? ? No! Of course not, I simply stating. And I think I tried to make a joke cuz you know Katara is a waterbender, and she's Aang's water. XD
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