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Post by marvel26 on Oct 13, 2007 19:21:21 GMT -5
The Avatar world uses Old World values.
Child grooms and brides were very common back in the day.
So where ghost brides and grooms too.
Since the Earth Kingdom is modelled after China, I wouldn't be surprised if they used some of these concepts.
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Post by cyrrylia on Oct 13, 2007 19:37:03 GMT -5
Haha!
I so never thought of her as a Rock Loli! That's hilarious.
I think I'm going to use that name from now on.
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Post by K9Thefirst1 on Oct 13, 2007 20:04:57 GMT -5
Haha! I so never thought of her as a Rock Loli! That's hilarious. I think I'm going to use that name from now on. *smiles and nods as if he knows what they're talking about*
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Post by marvel26 on Oct 13, 2007 20:10:18 GMT -5
Haha! I so never thought of her as a Rock Loli! That's hilarious. I think I'm going to use that name from now on. Found it over at tvtropes.com It's not written in the Avatar page though, it's listed in another trope section about fan given nick names. I recommend going there and reading about all known TV/Movie and videogame cliches. it's hilarious.
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Post by Maylene on Oct 13, 2007 20:16:00 GMT -5
We can legally get married at 16, I'm 99.9999% sure but the parents need to say it's ok. And it isn't socially acceptable Hmm that may be true. I did have a classmate that married junior year, but I'm sure she didn't have her parents' permission--though she was imancipated, so that could've given her the edge. Marvel: What's a ghost bride? And in the old war children did mature faster than us, so why are you saying that they don't mature faster than us?
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Post by marvel26 on Oct 13, 2007 20:39:48 GMT -5
We can legally get married at 16, I'm 99.9999% sure but the parents need to say it's ok. And it isn't socially acceptable Hmm that may be true. I did have a classmate that married junior year, but I'm sure she didn't have her parents' permission--though she was imancipated, so that could've given her the edge. Marvel: What's a ghost bride? And in the old war children did mature faster than us, so why are you saying that they don't mature faster than us? A ghost wedding involves one or both parties to be dead. Obviously. Let me put it as a scenario, A young man dies before he can get married and his family is worried that he'd be lonely in the underworld and might wind up coming back as a haunting. So they get him a bride. A living one. They go through the traditional chinese wedding ceremony. tea serving to the in-laws, bowing to the ancestral altar and such. Difference is instead of a groom, the bride is standing next to spirit tablet. In other cases, they get a stand in for the bride or groom and allowing the deceased to temporarily possess them in order to proceed with the ceremony. The stand ins are then escorted constantly by another person holding an umbrella overhead when outdoors lest the light force the deceased out of them. Don't worry, no blood sacrifices are involved. Once the ceremony is over, life goes on. If the bride is the living party, she is now part of the groom's family and is expected to perform her wifely duties as per normal IE look after her in-laws. Living grooms are usually selected when the deceased woman's spirit needs to be put to rest. I'm not so sure about the role of living grooms but I think once the ceremony is over, they're free to leave. Unless the dead woman finds the marriage binding even in death...then well...sucks to be him. And yes in the Old World, kids had to grow up fast. I'm just saying that I'm not seeing it here in Avatar. Yes, I know they're getting there. Be nice if it were a little faster. Now I'm reminded of that MC Chris rant about Kingdom Hearts 2 and Resident Evil 4. And they've yet to tackle the point about just HOW Aang is going to win. I don't see Ozai just rolling over and die for him. And surrender is a flithy word to the Fire Folk. I think at some point Aang will have to forsake his theocratic ways and take a life. To quote a graphic novel, "That wasn't a child. He might have been when he woke up that morning. But the first time he pulled the trigger he grew up gobstopper fast." Hell, he's going to have to give up a monk's vow of celibacy anyway if he is truly the last of the Air Nomads. I've always wondered how the Air Nomads kept a sizable population. They couldn't all have been nuns and monks could they? Or do they assimilate the people they meet during their wandering periods? "We are the Air Nomads. You will be assimilated into the collective. Resistance is futile."
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Post by mike1921 on Oct 13, 2007 20:45:16 GMT -5
the creators said that the air nomads didn't need to take vows of celibacy,or was is chasity, what's the difference "I'd rather die by my own hand then die by yours" sounds about right.
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Post by marvel26 on Oct 13, 2007 20:52:59 GMT -5
the creators said that the air nomads didn't need to take vows of celibacy. That's convenient. If Aang survives the war, I'm sure someone'll pat him on the back and say, "You did it kid. You saved the world. Now go save your people. Go out into the world. Go forth and multiply." The chutes in Omashu give the place a slight theme park feeling, so I suppose the following is relevant, "You did it kid. You saved the world. Now what're you gonna do? What's next?" "I'm going to Bumi World!" Incidently 'Bumi' is malay for world.
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Post by marvel26 on Oct 13, 2007 20:59:33 GMT -5
And censor friendly too.
Though it would be more logical if Ozai fought till the bitter end.
If he commits suicide, the Fire Nation takes a hit and some loyalists may spit on his name for generations to come.
He goes out in a blaze of glory, the Fire Nation still takes a hit but his death can be spun into being seen as martyrdom. Renewed hostilities all over the world. Ozai hailed as a hero.
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Post by xcgirl08 on Oct 13, 2007 21:00:22 GMT -5
Oh wow, I've missed a lot. I remember when I first learned about ghost weddings. THAT would be something to see. Mike: Celibacy and chastity are generally synonyms for each other. I've never heard of a monk who was not a celibate, but I suppose SOMEONE has to keep the population going, eh? I wonder if we'll ever see Aang's mother and father in the show. @marvel: I'll have to give you some MAJOR karma for that explanation of Aang and Katara's relationship back there. No matter how many "shippy" moments they have, I just can't see their relationship in any other light but a familial one..... especially because Katara represents the reborn love of the Air Nomads. I am, however, a fan of the Swamp Theory. Hopefully every Taang fan has heard of that one....it would just be so clever and devious of the creators to slip that in. And then Aang's vision, along with Koh's showing him the face of his past loved one, would actually make sense.....
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Post by cyrrylia on Oct 13, 2007 21:06:48 GMT -5
Certainly it would go far into making Avatar an even more awesome show.
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Post by mindbender18 on Oct 13, 2007 21:08:51 GMT -5
*sighs* that's entirely up to you. You can't keep seeing it like that all the way up to when Aang and Katara are married with kids and the show ends
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Post by cyrrylia on Oct 13, 2007 21:15:39 GMT -5
She won't have to, since it'll be Aang and Toph who are married with kids when the show ends.
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Post by mike1921 on Oct 13, 2007 21:17:37 GMT -5
Hi mindbender, wouldn't expect to see you here and Cyrilla: As much as I love Taang, them getting together is unlikely and them getting married is more unlikely I have a feeling that even if they did get together they wouldn't get married,even when they're 62 and have been dating for 50 years If history says that somone died to a 12 year old child their name gets spit on You've never heard of Aang and/or the air nomads?
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Post by marvel26 on Oct 13, 2007 21:19:08 GMT -5
*sighs* that's entirely up to you. You can't keep seeing it like that all the way up to when Aang and Katara are married with kids and the show ends If that does happen then kudos to the creators. They finished Aang's storyline and now we can move on the next story arc they've prepared. It's their show and they've got the ultimate rights to do as they please, within censorship regulations of course. If Katara and Aang do make it in the end. Huzzah. Though I've got a nagging feeling they'll leave all the red strings of relationship fate untied, just to really screw with us. Anyway, if Aang does get his dream girl. More power to him. You know how they say, "We'll always have (Insert romantic location/getaway here)" Well, we'll always have Taang.
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