Growly
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Post by Growly on Nov 27, 2006 22:21:38 GMT -5
Great point, Growly. I don't think that Katara is Aang's problem in mastering anything. I also don't think that we'll get to see Aang's confession any time soon, either. Aang's problem is probably something deep, like long-seated subconscious guilt for leaving the Air Temple or something. ;D Thanks. I seem to argue points better when I'm riled. ;D And really, everything they've done on the show thus far only supports the belief that things will be vastly different by the time next season ends. |
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Rainyaqua
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Post by Rainyaqua on Nov 27, 2006 22:26:05 GMT -5
Hi everybody.
Hi Kaangluv, it's nice to meet you, I'm Rainyaqua.
@ana- I think they do need each other. They both need each other's support and friendship. Katara and (IMO, from what I've seen) especially Aang needs Katara to be there for him. He knows his friends believe in him, but Katara is the one who really makes him believe in himself. Katara was the one who got him out of the iceburg, who he first saw, even if they don't get together romantically, they still have a such a strong bond, and friendship, that nobody could (IMO) break.
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Post by ktscarlet on Nov 27, 2006 22:29:02 GMT -5
Great point, Growly. I don't think that Katara is Aang's problem in mastering anything. I also don't think that we'll get to see Aang's confession any time soon, either. Aang's problem is probably something deep, like long-seated subconscious guilt for leaving the Air Temple or something. ;D Thanks. I seem to argue points better when I'm riled. ;D And really, everything they've done on the show thus far only supports the belief that things will be vastly different by the time next season ends. I agree, I think they will become a couple at the end of the series. |
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Ana
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Post by Ana on Nov 27, 2006 22:34:56 GMT -5
@ana- Heehee. Thanks. P.S. Love your icon. ;D Welcome. And thanks, I felt this icon shows my sarcasm that I display on the interwebz. Haha, puns. But seriously, Aang and Katara do rely on each other a lot (hence the question). I agree with your post of course. Aang, poor Aang, he turns to Katara for guidance and confidence. I also think Katara is more of a pillar to Aang than the Avatar State will ever be. It is more apparent that Aang’s “needs” Katara but I think Aang is Katara’s hero and..needs to be needed by him? I’m not sure if those are the words I’m looking for but I do think that Katara would be lost what to do without Aang. I hope you all don't mind if I post a reply I wrote up to something in the Zutara forum. Not at all. You do bring up a great point; I’ll age with kaangluv and say I don’t think Katara is Aang's problem in mastering anything. I also don't think that we'll get to see Aang's confession any time soon. All right, everyone, I think I'm off to bed. I woke up early this morning, so.. Good Night! Catch you later! |
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riverbird
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Post by riverbird on Nov 27, 2006 22:41:41 GMT -5
I think that their relationship has a long way to go really. The fact that it is getting a bit more dramatic and new obstacles are coming into play, are good things in my mind. I would like to see this relationship grow, but for that to really happen we need to see how Katara feels.
I believe that she does love him, if it isn't on the surface for her already it is there in the subconscious. This whole thing about him having to forget her, or let her go, may change things for her and she may begin to realize just how much she really needs and wants him around her. If he were to start acting distant and push her away, she would feel sad again as she did in TSP.
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Power
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Post by Power on Nov 27, 2006 22:41:54 GMT -5
Im not expecting a confession either, but if so be the case in this season finale, actions may be speaking louder than words.
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Post by avatariaxxxmari on Nov 27, 2006 22:47:15 GMT -5
Hey everyone, what's everyone discussing?
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Post by Rainyaqua on Nov 27, 2006 22:51:45 GMT -5
I could see if Aang did give up loving Katara, he would probably only do so, probably until he ends the war. Then, he would/might tell Katara afterwards, so he wouldn't totally be giving up on her, but just for a little while.
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Power
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Post by Power on Nov 27, 2006 22:51:47 GMT -5
We are discussing how much Katara and Aang need each other.
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riverbird
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Post by riverbird on Nov 27, 2006 23:20:20 GMT -5
Anyone think that the rumor of someone dying is true? I guess it wouldn't surprise me if it did happen..
I also wanted to make a quick comment at the screenshot of Katara crying, do you think she sees some sort of horrible attack against Aang? We see them hugging from what appears to be the end of a battle, and Aang seems some what incapable of moving, do you think Azula hurt him? As he seems to be heavily burned.
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Post by 11momo13 on Nov 27, 2006 23:45:58 GMT -5
WHAT'S UP? HOWS LIFE?
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Post by thelastavatar on Nov 28, 2006 1:13:46 GMT -5
about the Avatar State...now that I look back upon the episodes where it has been triggered, it is caused by loss, potential or real. Here are my examples
1. Boy In the Iceberg. Avatar State seen to keep Aang alive in iceberg. This is the first few opening minutes, and it keeps the Avatar from losing his life. It is also possible that the Spirit helped keep the world from losing the Avatar all together, because the Air Nomad genocide happens soon after Aang runs away.
2. The Avatar Returns. Aang uses the Avatar State to create the tornado of water. Now some people may think that it was because he was in dire danger. That is probably only the tip of the iceberg. This danger almost caused Aang to lose his life; the end of the Avatar cycle, or at least a fully realized Avatar. Also, Katara is scared that she lost Aang in this moment, which is why she called out his name several times, right before the Spirit is activated.
3. The Southern Air Temple. Aang goes into the Avatar State once finding Monk Gyatso's corpse. Gyatso was a major part of Aang's childhood, and he was, according to Aang, the best airbender alive. This is basically when the belief that the airbenders may have survived comes crashing down on Aang, as well as probably his entire world. Loss of this magnitude causes him to snap and go into blind grief, triggering the Spirit.
4. The Spirit World (Winter Solstice Pt. 1). Not sure if this counts as his Spirit being triggered, but I will count the times when he crosses into the Spirit World. Sokka tries to help Aang, but is taken away by the Hei Bai Spirit. Aang attempts to save him, but is unable to reach Sokka before Hei Bai goes back into the Spirit World. In an attempt to help find and save him, Aang journeys into the Spirit World, trying to find answers. This ends up leading him to where he can contact Avatar Roku for guidance. In a roundabout way, he eventually saves Sokka by figuring out why the Spirit is attacking through his Avatar Spirit, especially when he sees he is sitting in front of a statue of the Hei Bai Spirit.
5. Avatar Roku (Winter Solstice Pt. 2). Aang, in the Avatar Spirit, is able to channel Avatar Roku's spirit and knowledge to defeat the threat of the Fire Nation firebenders. Aang, as well as Shiu (sp?) and his friends, are in danger of death/capture and torture. Potential loss of life and friends (I believe Aang befriended the Fire Sage by this point) was enough to trigger the Spirit.
6. The Storm. The first time is a brief second, when Aang is ranting about how he lost his friends, and then the head monk wanted to take away Gyatso. "They wanted to take away everyone I knew and everyone I love!" Aang screamed. Fortunately, Katara was able to calm him out of it and deal with Aang's personal little demons. Then we see him trigger the Avatar State, once again because of endangerment of losing his own life, as well as Sokka's, Katara's, Appa, and the fisherman dude.
7. Siege of the North (Pt. 1 and 2). Aang uses his Avatar Spirit to cross into the Spirit World in order to find the Ocean and Moon Spirits (Tui and La, push and pull, yin and yang, etc etc.) He goes in order to try and find a way for the Water Tribe to survive the Fire Nation invasion; otherwise, the Water Tribe would be entirely eradicated. When the Moon Spirit is gone, Aang triggers the Avatar Spirit, giving the koi fish, mortal form of the Ocean Spirit, to have bending capabilities and unleash its power due to imbalance. It is only when Yue decides to become the Moon Spirit and balance is restored does Aang's Avatar Spirit returns dormant.
8. The Avatar State. Aang goes berserk in the Avatar State when he feels that he was unable to save Katara, since the general fools him by sinking her into the ground. Believing he had lost Katara, he wreaked havoc upon the Earthbenders in the base.
9. Avatar Day. (I personally don't think the Avatar Spirit triggers in this one, but in case you think it does, I will put it in the examples.) Kyoshi comes to clarify some issues due to the loss of Qin the Conqueror. On a side note: those people were so daft even 2 year olds could have a better government!
10. The Desert. Aang has lost Appa already, which leaves him on the edge of going into the Avatar State, similar to why he goes into the Avatar State for Gyatso. When he hears that Appa was muzzled, the anger and grief he felt for the loss of his friend as well as the injustice just tips him over the scale; the loss of Appa finally wears him down and the Avatar State is released.
So that pretty much is what I think about that, seeing how the season finale is focused around the Avatar State. So basically in a nutshell: There are major parts in Aang's world. Loss of any will cause so much pain that it will send him into the Avatar State, so you better run if you caused him that much pain.
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riverbird
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Post by riverbird on Nov 28, 2006 1:33:46 GMT -5
Wow lot's of work on that one! Karma!
I think, looking this over, that there is far more to the Guru's words "You have to learn to let things go" than just the Katara thing. I think he is trying to teach Aang so that he will be able to control the Avatar State. He doesn't want Aang blasting on the AS when he is in pain or upset, he wants him to use it for a better reason. This also in a sense means that Aang would have to give up his swift emotions, he would become a very different person (IMO) should this come to pass.
We saw him during the Serpent's Pass, if he was anything like that I don't think his friends could stand that. This in turn is going to bring some inner battle with himself over his need to control his emotions, and the promise to Katara that he wouldn't be like that again.
In the end though his love for Katara is the biggest thing. How he handles this entire situation will determine how much he has grown over the last while.
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Post by thelastavatar on Nov 28, 2006 1:39:08 GMT -5
that is definitely true. Aang and the Avatar's survival depend on him not getting killed in the Avatar State, so controllin emotions is a biggie. But I think Guru will have to teach Aang that fine line between controlling your emotions/being strong, shutting people out, and the big issue of letting your emotions control you
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riverbird
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Post by riverbird on Nov 28, 2006 1:44:16 GMT -5
An important lesson for the Avatar; achieving balance within yourself as well as the world around you.
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