palindrome
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Post by palindrome on Jun 14, 2006 16:18:30 GMT -5
Taang always wins over Kataang in my book, regardless of how canon it is or isn't. I agree with Anastasia that Toph probably won't be a typical girl friend...she's too different for that. But she could definitely still have a romantic relationship with Aang. I feel that she has more to offer Aang that Katara (if he takes the time to really learn from her.) Bending aside, Katara coddles Aang and gives him emotional support, which is fine, but Toph is helping Aang grow up and become strong to face his future. No matter how strong he is as a bender, his emotional state is too fragile to face Ozai. Toph can help him learn to be tougher...and in turn, he can help her find personal freedom and happiness. They are very different, so it won't be an easy path, but in the end they could be wonderfully happy together.
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Post by Revitalize Book on Jun 14, 2006 16:37:16 GMT -5
Kataang. Anyday, anytime, anyway. xD
((But I am anxious about this thread...>.< Let's all remember the cake...*nudges* xD...and good times...))
But Kataang forever! :3
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gambitia
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Post by gambitia on Jun 14, 2006 17:22:46 GMT -5
Bending aside, Katara coddles Aang and gives him emotional support, which is fine, but Toph is helping Aang grow up and become strong to face his future. No matter how strong he is as a bender, his emotional state is too fragile to face Ozai. Toph can help him learn to be tougher... Making someone tougher is not something I would expect to find in a romantic relationship. Romantic relationships require love and support, not yelling and put-downs. Toph will certainly help Aang mature (or at least deal with bullies ), but I don't think that will translate over into a romantic relationship. I don't think Katara coddles Aang. Coddling him would be saying "It's okay, you don't have to learn earthbending if it's too hard for you." Katara basically said "I understand you're having trouble; here's why: *explanation.* You'll work through it." That is understanding and support, not coddling.
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Lady Liesl
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Post by Lady Liesl on Jun 14, 2006 18:14:02 GMT -5
I agree with your paragraph/statemeant. I simply adore kataang, but I guess if it did end up as taang I wouldn't be too crestfallen...after all, it's Taang; its a kick in a glass!!
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Post by almighty on Jun 14, 2006 18:43:37 GMT -5
Although I like Toph, I would have to agree with everyone else that she's not the best person for Aang to spend the rest of his life with. Katara has always been supportive of Aang which is what an ideal lover should be. Toph is Aang's teacher, which is what Aang will always think of her. That's why it was so easy and normal for him to call her "sifu" because that's how he views her. On the other hand, he has never called Katara "sifu" because he has always viewed her as a friend rather than a mentor.
So in short, Kataang.
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Post by night on Jun 14, 2006 18:59:49 GMT -5
Tophaang. Because of the wonderful evidence/support/whatever stated previously.
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silverdreams
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Post by silverdreams on Jun 14, 2006 22:47:45 GMT -5
*holds in flames agaist my most hated pairing, tophaang*
Ok, Kataang will ALWAYS win against Taang in my book. Why? Because one of the main reasons i even liked this show in the first place was cause the girl was FINALLY older in the guy in a relitively cannon pairing. Toph and Aang are the same age, how typical. How unique is that, really? Its not. That pairing if anything, provides only something for aang. But what does it provide for toph? Nothing. Kataang is a 2-sided ship, where both gain. They also both pretty much like each other. Toph doesn't like Aang, and Aang doesn't like toph.... well, not anymore than friends anyway. Theres many ways to love someone. Katara seems to love aang in every way possible. She loves him as a friend, a sister, a mother, a girl, a girlfriend, and a mentor. I don't see any love connection between aang and toph, besides maybe friendship. Katara's feelings are sometimes doubtful when it comes to aang, and she looks up to him in amazment. Toph does not benifit in the least bit from aang emotionally. Toph and Aang just don't mix... their personalities are too different. Toph is a tough girl, and aang is the nice kid. I just hate seeing bad girls paired with nice boys. Im more of the good girl bad boy type (like zutara, for example). I do like the opposites attract philosopy, but not with toph and aang, because as said i hate the bad girl good boy thing. Aang doesn't seem to care for Toph as part of the group. All he sees is his earthbending teacher. This was clear in 'the chase' when he yelled at toph. After that he said "I can't believe I yelled at my earthbending teacher"...He was upset because he drove his earthbening teacher away, which is pretty much what he views her as. And as someone said, thats why he calls her sifu. He never called katara sifu because shes more like a friend to him. He only called her that in bitter work because she clearly wanted to be called sifu, and it would make her feel happy.
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Wilderness Writer
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Post by Wilderness Writer on Jun 14, 2006 23:25:32 GMT -5
Hm, interesting arguements. Here's my idea:
I don't think Aang will end up with Katara. Although there is some evidence of a Kataang relationship right now, with Aang having a definite crush on Katara and Katara at least showing a couple signs of considering him as a possibility, I think that there are ultimately too many things against them for it to work.
Katara is a mother figure to Aang. Protective, nurturing, encouraging, and freely giving out advice, Katara practically *screams* mother figure in "Bitter Work", where she tries to convince Toph that Aang needs to be treated gentler.
Katara is also older than Aang. Now, I know this has been debated until blood has poured from everyone's eye sockets, but in my opinion, it is a valid strike against them. At that age, a two year age gap is a very large difference. Katara's maturity level is far beyond that of Aang's, and that is reflected in her previous choices in crushes, which leads me to my next point:
Katara's previous crushes. Jet was an obvious one. Dark, dangerous, and angry, as a Zutarian I like to think of Jet as foreshadowing for Zuko. He is far from Aang's bouncy, childish joyfullness. The next one you might consider is Haru. Although not as dark or as dangerous, he possessed a quiet maturity that Aang has rarely, if ever, displayed.
But.... I'm not going with Toph, either. She's loud, mean, bossy, obnoxious, and far too much of a work-aholic for Aang. Unless, of course, we're going for the 'opposites attract' thing. But I really don't see it happening without a *lot* of character development for the both of them.
So.... who would Aang end up with?
MENG!
Yes, who else but the lovable and spunky little Meng? More girlishly romantic and sweet than Toph, and yet more childlike and playful than Katara, I think Meng would make the perfect match for Aang!
*Wilderness is shot dead*
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Post by Avatar Pooface on Jun 15, 2006 0:09:19 GMT -5
I never thought of Aang as younger than Katara, age-wise. Physically, yeah she's older, since he was kinda cryogentically frozen when he was 12 and defrosted 100 years later. But when it comes to age in numbers, to me Aang is older. Older women, younger men in movies and shows are becoming more common. I've seen it in the newer Star Wars movies, Anakin and whatever her name is. I try hard to think that Aang is twelve b/c it is kinda wrong for a 14 year old to be with a 112 year old XD I freaked when Buffy first hooked up with Angel. She was still 16 and Angel was around 200.... statutory rape I have to admit, Aang is soo adorable when he shows that he has a crush on Katara. If they do end up together, Aang will definitely become sexy and macho within the next five years.
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gambitia
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Post by gambitia on Jun 15, 2006 0:13:22 GMT -5
Aang has become more and more mature every episode. I think he's roughly at Katara' maturity level. She seems to be 'wiser' or something. Aang just goofs off (Which IROH does, for pete's sake!) and Katara doesn't. Nobody gives Aang enough credit for his maturity.
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Post by almighty on Jun 15, 2006 0:28:45 GMT -5
If you want to use the "age" difference as a valid argument, you also have to take into consideration that Katara and Zuko are also 2 years apart.
It really makes no difference if the age difference is 2 years younger or older to me. Everyone seems to have the idea that a girl should always go with the older guy which is not necessarily true. We can see how Katara's patience can run low when someone is not pulling their weight or helping others. What makes it so certain that she'll even have an ounce of patience for those who are only focusing on themselves? She already has a strong foundation with Aang friendship-wise and they would most likely spend the rest of their lives together... as friends or as lovers. So why not be together as a couple then?
Aang is mature, and I bet Katara knows that. That's why she never nags him about his responsibilities. Just because Aang is twelve and likes to have fun, doesn't mean that he is considered "immature". He has so many responsibilities to take because he's the Avatar. He didn't ask for it, but he continued on with his life and did not sulk in the past. Aang's frustration and so called "maturity" is veiled by his bubbly attitude. Isn't it possible that he is just hiding his stress from his friends so that he wouldn't worry them? Isn't it also possible that Aang is pretty mature to deal with his stress rather than letting it take control over him?
Being mature is also admitting when you're wrong or right. Aang does admit defeat when needed and he does know right from wrong. Sure he hid the map from Bato, Katara, and Sokka, but he owned up to them and even apologized. He was able to admit his mistake and even tried to atone it by saving his friends. He also listens when his friends talk to him. Listening is also a sign of maturity. He takes advice and considers them.
You see, I'm pretty sure Katara notices his maturity. Of course, I'm not saying that Katara and Aand should get together right away, but I think that they'll be better for each other in the future.
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Post by Amira on Jun 15, 2006 1:03:16 GMT -5
^ Yeah, what Almighty said.
And Katara wasn't "mothering" Aang in Bitter Work. She was being supportive of Aang and offering up her advice on instructing him because she was in the unique postition to do so having been his friend and teacher for so long. She could see him suffering and could see the confidence in him disappearing. She also knew that learning earthbending was extrememly important and they are becoming pressed for time and was trying to help move the lessons into something that would accomplish more than just bullying Aang.
Why is it anytime Katara shows the boy an ounce of support or kindness, it's "mothering?"
Katara is the more calmer and more responsible of the K & A pairing, Aang more carefree. And in that way they balance each other. She seems to be able to bring out his responsible side and he obviously brings out some of the fun side in her.
In terms of Toph and Aang, no. I thought at first they could be a good back-up pairing, but the more I see of Toph, the less I think she's a fit for Aang. He has regarded her more as a teacher than a friend and she seems to have little in terms of respect for him or what's important to him.
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Post by almighty on Jun 15, 2006 1:26:20 GMT -5
*you get a karma after the karma thingy returns*
Yes. Whenever Katara does play her "supportive" role, people keep saying that is motherly. Now tell me, isn't her offer to help Iroh supportive too? So wouldn't that mean her help was more of a mother role instead of a romantic one? Katara and Aang are best friends... Best friends support each other, that's what they do. Both Katara and Aang support each other through troubled times... so the "supportive" role can also be considered a role of a best friend... not only "motherly".
Also, to take Sokka's opinion in all of this... Sokka already approves of Aang. He probably even notices all the hints that Aang's been throwing out, yet he doesn't argue with Aang nor does he disagree. Sokka and Aang are best friends as well and they both trust each other with their lives. Sokka would believe that Aang would take good care of Katara since Aang has already shown that.
For Toph and Aang, I really don't think that they are well suited for each other either. They clash and it'll just be non-stop bickering, or a controlling relationship. The roles won't support each other. As I've said a couple posts ago, Aang sees Toph as a teacher not as a love interest. It is evident because he calls Toph "sifu" right away, while he just continues to call Katara by her name. He sees Katara more as a friend/possible love interest which is why the title of "sifu" never crossed his mind.
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Post by Avatar Pooface on Jun 15, 2006 11:18:22 GMT -5
I know Aang is mature. He is definitely on his way to being at Katara's maturity level. All I said was that age difference is something I always look at, but sometimes it just doesn't have any bearing on a relationship. It's maturity level that counts, like Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon, Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russel and Demi and Ashton (although I'm not sure if Ashton can really considered 'mature'- Punked). Say there's a 36 year old woman who has wanted to get married and start a family for years, yet she's been dating a guy about a decade younger who isn't ready to commit and goes out and parties all the time. This is a couple who don't have the same maturity level as each other, so its a deadend relationship. I've known some Zutarians on other boards who use this argument as a means for crushing Kataang shipping, and I think it has no base, even if I am Zutarian. Aang is very mature, he kinda has to be because he's the Avatar. He's grown the pass 100 years, given the flashbacks in 'The Storm'. I don't like Tophang but I agree that Toph will most likely be a pathways to him being ready (maturity-wise) to face Firelord Ozai. Eventually he'll learn that he has to fight and can't mediate two opposing sides like in 'The Great Divide'. It will be interesting to see how the story plays out now that he has a new way of thinking (earthbender).
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Post by Kataang's Supreme on Jun 15, 2006 11:44:40 GMT -5
Taang always wins over Kataang in my book, regardless of how canon it is or isn't. I agree with Anastasia that Toph probably won't be a typical girl friend...she's too different for that. But she could definitely still have a romantic relationship with Aang. I feel that she has more to offer Aang that Katara (if he takes the time to really learn from her.) Bending aside, Katara coddles Aang and gives him emotional support, which is fine, but Toph is helping Aang grow up and become strong to face his future. No matter how strong he is as a bender, his emotional state is too fragile to face Ozai. Toph can help him learn to be tougher...and in turn, he can help her find personal freedom and happiness. They are very different, so it won't be an easy path, but in the end they could be wonderfully happy together. *Laughs untill it hurts* Kataang always wins over Tophaang. Toph doesn't have the slightest bit of feelings for Aang other than that of a friend. Also, where the heck do you get "Toph has more to offer than Katara"? That is so untrue that it isn't funny.
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