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Post by Avatar Pooface on Jun 15, 2006 11:56:19 GMT -5
Heh, I haven't even gotten to the point where I feel Toph considers Aang her friend. I'm not sure if that talk with Iroh has completely sunk into her head yet.
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Post by silverdreams on Jun 15, 2006 12:48:28 GMT -5
Hm, interesting arguements. Here's my idea: I don't think Aang will end up with Katara. Although there is some evidence of a Kataang relationship right now, with Aang having a definite crush on Katara and Katara at least showing a couple signs of considering him as a possibility, I think that there are ultimately too many things against them for it to work. Katara is a mother figure to Aang. Protective, nurturing, encouraging, and freely giving out advice, Katara practically *screams* mother figure in "Bitter Work", where she tries to convince Toph that Aang needs to be treated gentler. Katara is also older than Aang. Now, I know this has been debated until blood has poured from everyone's eye sockets, but in my opinion, it is a valid strike against them. At that age, a two year age gap is a very large difference. Katara's maturity level is far beyond that of Aang's, and that is reflected in her previous choices in crushes, which leads me to my next point: Katara's previous crushes. Jet was an obvious one. Dark, dangerous, and angry, as a Zutarian I like to think of Jet as foreshadowing for Zuko. He is far from Aang's bouncy, childish joyfullness. The next one you might consider is Haru. Although not as dark or as dangerous, he possessed a quiet maturity that Aang has rarely, if ever, displayed. But.... I'm not going with Toph, either. She's loud, mean, bossy, obnoxious, and far too much of a work-aholic for Aang. Unless, of course, we're going for the 'opposites attract' thing. But I really don't see it happening without a *lot* of character development for the both of them. So.... who would Aang end up with? MENG! Yes, who else but the lovable and spunky little Meng? More girlishly romantic and sweet than Toph, and yet more childlike and playful than Katara, I think Meng would make the perfect match for Aang! *Wilderness is shot dead* I was very close to murdering you xP.... Ok... 2 years isn't much of an age difference, same age difference with zuko. 2 years isn't a big gap... and aang is actually very mature for his age... im guessing you haven't been around many 12 year olds, have ya? As a 15 year old i unfourtunatley know/knew quite a few 12/13 year olds.... aang is a lot more mature, trust me. Also... if you likes taang I would've murdered you. But seeing as you like maang, I'll give you credit. For aang, i either like him with katara or meng/mang however u spell it. (Well, theres also my other weird ideas for him like zuko, azula, etc...) Too bad were probably not going to see meng again, but who knows? Its possible.
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Post by I stand for truth on Jun 15, 2006 14:14:57 GMT -5
Meng is so outta here, its either Zutara (yip yip) or ..kataang *sigh*
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Post by palindrome on Jun 15, 2006 14:21:35 GMT -5
Hm, interesting arguements. Here's my idea: I don't think Aang will end up with Katara. Although there is some evidence of a Kataang relationship right now, with Aang having a definite crush on Katara and Katara at least showing a couple signs of considering him as a possibility, I think that there are ultimately too many things against them for it to work. Katara is a mother figure to Aang. Protective, nurturing, encouraging, and freely giving out advice, Katara practically *screams* mother figure in "Bitter Work", where she tries to convince Toph that Aang needs to be treated gentler. Katara is also older than Aang. Now, I know this has been debated until blood has poured from everyone's eye sockets, but in my opinion, it is a valid strike against them. At that age, a two year age gap is a very large difference. Katara's maturity level is far beyond that of Aang's, and that is reflected in her previous choices in crushes, which leads me to my next point: Katara's previous crushes. Jet was an obvious one. Dark, dangerous, and angry, as a Zutarian I like to think of Jet as foreshadowing for Zuko. He is far from Aang's bouncy, childish joyfullness. The next one you might consider is Haru. Although not as dark or as dangerous, he possessed a quiet maturity that Aang has rarely, if ever, displayed. But.... I'm not going with Toph, either. She's loud, mean, bossy, obnoxious, and far too much of a work-aholic for Aang. Unless, of course, we're going for the 'opposites attract' thing. But I really don't see it happening without a *lot* of character development for the both of them. So.... who would Aang end up with? MENG! Yes, who else but the lovable and spunky little Meng? More girlishly romantic and sweet than Toph, and yet more childlike and playful than Katara, I think Meng would make the perfect match for Aang! *Wilderness is shot dead* *claps* I totally agree. I still see more of mother/son relationship between Aang and Katara. And while Meng/Aang is about the cutest thing ever, I'm still Taang. Kudos for good, polite arguement.
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Post by icefire108 on Jun 15, 2006 14:22:19 GMT -5
Toph is too much of a little.....well you know for Aang. I think Aang's and Katara's personalities match. They are both peaceful. Toph and Aang would never work out. She's way to aggressive.
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Post by Confettie on Jun 15, 2006 14:55:27 GMT -5
Aang is mature if he is immature then your going to have to consider Gyatso as being immature too. Gyatso acts the same way, remember when he try to cheer Aang up by throwing pies at the other airbenders? Isn't that immature? Maybe that just the way airbenders are. Iroh did say they had the best sense of humor out of all four groups. Gosh maybe its just the people look at all the firebenders their anal for lack of a better word all of them are except for Iroh. Who is honestly a little strange to begin with.
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Post by gambitia on Jun 15, 2006 16:14:59 GMT -5
The problem with the Aang/Meng ship is that Aang flat-out told Meng "I don't like you like that."
That's pretty sound rejection right there...
I must ask, since many of the Zutarians see Aang and Katara's relationship as being son/mother...what do you think a relationship between Katara and Zuko would entail? How would it be any different?
Many Zutarians seem to think that Katara will heal Zuko and help him deal with his inner turmoil. The way I see it, such a relationship would definitely take on a mother/son or sister/brother cast...in other words, it would be much like Katara's current relationship with Aang.
So, in a Zutarian's eyes, how would it be different?
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Post by Amira on Jun 15, 2006 17:10:42 GMT -5
The problem with the Aang/Meng ship is that Aang flat-out told Meng "I don't like you like that." That's pretty sound rejection right there... I must ask, since all of the Zutarians see Aang and Katara's relationship as being son/mother...what do you think a relationship between Katara and Zuko would entail? How would it be any different? Many Zutarians seem to think that Katara will heal Zuko and help him deal with his inner turmoil. The way I see it, such a relationship would definitely take on a mother/son or sister/brother cast...in other words, it would be much like Katara's current relationship with Aang. So, in a Zutarian's eyes, how would it be different? Well, in defense of Zutarians, not all see them in that mother/son relationship. Some have even said so in an earlier debate about that. But I do think it is misreading their relationship to say that Katara/Aang are more like mother/son considering Aang has never made any indication he wants a "mother." He's never really had a mother as far as we know. I think the loss of dear friends who he considered family affects him more. I don't think he'd be crushing on a girl he thinks of as "mom" and I think Aang is smart enough and in tune enough with his own feelings to tell the difference between needing "motherly affection" and falling for a girl. And I don't think Katara would have suggested kissing him in CoTL if she thought of him as a "son." Aang and Meng? Bleh. I couldn't stand Meng, so I'm just a tad biased.
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Post by Lady Liesl on Jun 15, 2006 17:32:09 GMT -5
I think Meng might just be another one ep. character--despite the fact 'tis a very small world they live in. And amiraelizabeth, I totally agree with you on the mother/son statemeant. I myself am for Kataang, and like a lot of people have already said, I think Aang looks at Toph as more of a teacher...And isn't it illegal or something to date your student--but lets not get into that ;D haha, kidding. As for Meng--lets just say the girl's not my cup of tea, (or coffee!!) I should say. After looking up floozy right after the ep...yeah--I dont really know many 10 (or is she 12?) year old kids that would come up to me and call me a prostitute....most of them I know dont even know what it means! And as for the "will aang and katara get together?!" thing, I'm thinking maybe not just now, as much as I wish upon a star at night...but I can defiently see a relationship later on. 2 year's not that much. PLus, Zuko's 17 now, thats 3 years apart or Zutara--just saying!
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Post by masterpakku on Jun 15, 2006 17:36:41 GMT -5
No offense to all of you Zutara beleivers out there, but face it there is no shot between the two. Katara's father is fighting in the war against the fire nation. If Katara were to hook up with Zuko it would cause chaos. Katara would be banned from her tribe, Aang would probably kill himself because he would loose the love of his life (meaning there would be no trained Avatar to face Ozai and his commet), and Sokka might try to kill Zuko.
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Post by Lady Liesl on Jun 15, 2006 17:41:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I could pretty much see Sokka the FIRST person to be totally against Zutara in the show!
Sokka: But your dating a guy thats all fired up with all his...you know--fire!?
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Post by Kataang's Supreme on Jun 15, 2006 17:50:43 GMT -5
Hm, interesting arguements. Here's my idea: I don't think Aang will end up with Katara. Although there is some evidence of a Kataang relationship right now, with Aang having a definite crush on Katara and Katara at least showing a couple signs of considering him as a possibility, I think that there are ultimately too many things against them for it to work. Katara is a mother figure to Aang. Protective, nurturing, encouraging, and freely giving out advice, Katara practically *screams* mother figure in "Bitter Work", where she tries to convince Toph that Aang needs to be treated gentler. Katara is also older than Aang. Now, I know this has been debated until blood has poured from everyone's eye sockets, but in my opinion, it is a valid strike against them. At that age, a two year age gap is a very large difference. Katara's maturity level is far beyond that of Aang's, and that is reflected in her previous choices in crushes, which leads me to my next point: Katara's previous crushes. Jet was an obvious one. Dark, dangerous, and angry, as a Zutarian I like to think of Jet as foreshadowing for Zuko. He is far from Aang's bouncy, childish joyfullness. The next one you might consider is Haru. Although not as dark or as dangerous, he possessed a quiet maturity that Aang has rarely, if ever, displayed. But.... I'm not going with Toph, either. She's loud, mean, bossy, obnoxious, and far too much of a work-aholic for Aang. Unless, of course, we're going for the 'opposites attract' thing. But I really don't see it happening without a *lot* of character development for the both of them. So.... who would Aang end up with? MENG! Yes, who else but the lovable and spunky little Meng? More girlishly romantic and sweet than Toph, and yet more childlike and playful than Katara, I think Meng would make the perfect match for Aang! *Wilderness is shot dead* Rage is growing! Urge to kill rising! For the last fricken time, age and maturity doesn't matter in a relationship!!! *Screams a rage roar of fury*
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Post by Kataang's Supreme on Jun 15, 2006 17:52:27 GMT -5
No offense to all of you Zutara beleivers out there, but face it there is no shot between the two. Katara's father is fighting in the war against the fire nation. If Katara were to hook up with Zuko it would cause chaos. Katara would be banned from her tribe, Aang would probably kill himself because he would loose the love of his life (meaning there would be no trained Avatar to face Ozai and his commet), and Sokka might try to kill Zuko. Post that in the Zutara War Room!
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Post by Alleluia on Jun 15, 2006 17:53:38 GMT -5
WW, I agree with what you said about Katara and how she is motherly towards Aang. I disagree on Toph, but I *was* a Maang shipper until Toph appeared, so Meng is still up there for Aang to me. I just like Toph even better. Ok, Katara has not just been "supportive" of Aang, she has also been "mothering". And there is a difference. Supportive would be her being there as a "support" to him, which she definitely has been. Like when she tells him that he can do something and she has confidence in him and knows he can do it. That kinda encouragement is supportive and totally goes along with her being his best freind and is a good thing to have in a romantic relationship, too. BUT, she has also been mothering, or sisterly, toward him. She has not only supported him in his battles, but she has gone so far as to fight them for him. The example that comes immediately to mind is how she goes and takes care of those two boys in "The Blind Bandit". When Aang gets dissed by them, she gives him a very sisterly/motherly shoulder squeeze and tells him "I'll take care of it." And then she proceeds to beat them up for him. She also sounds very much like a mother-figure in "Bitter Work" when she tells Aang flat out "Its ok, you can try earthbending again when you're ready" and pulls him out of the problem, instead of making him face it with her cheering him on from the sidelines(which would be supportive without crossing into motherly territory). Amiraelizabeth, though Aang has never indicated that he wants a mother figure, it doesn't matter. The mothering really goes more to how Katara sees him, not how he sees her. *She* sees him as part of her family. So, she mothers him on occasion. Like I think I showed above, it isn't at ALL occasions. But, it is enough that I think it precludes her thinking about him that way. Now, I think it is kind of silly to claim that Toph and Aang don't think of each other as freinds. When Aang yells about how he can't believe he yelled at his earthbending teacher, what was he suppossed to say? "I can't believe I yelled at my freind!"? He could have, I suppose, but that would have sounded wierd. And, Toph's purpose so far *is* to teach Aang earthbending. It is hardly surprising that he would be freaking out that he had shewed away the girl who had basically been ordained to teach him earthbending. Just because he was thinking about her role, doesn't mean he didn''t consider her a freind, too. Also, couldn't the reason that Aang refers to Toph as Earthbending teacher and Sifu be because he has respect for her? (Not that he doesn't respect Katara, of course.) And also because Toph came into his life with an already known purpose, to teach him? But, to say that that is going to be her only purpose and the only way she and Aang will relate is to delegate her to being a one-dimensional character. Which is something I seriously doubt is going to happen. Besides, just because the relationship between Toph and Aang is starting out differently then the one between Aang and Katara, doesn't mean that there will be any less of a freindship present by the end. Lets rememebr that they have only known each other 3 episodes. And, Toph refers to the gang as freinds(by implication) in "The Blind Bandit" during her speech to her father. She was probably only really thinking about Aang at that point, too, because he was the only one she had really gotten to know out of the group. True, she was not too helpful in "The Chase". The reason she gave was that she would carry her own weight. It just didn't click to her that she should help them carry theirs because she feels that *everyone* carries their own weight. This is how she sees the world and what it means to be independent. She has to learn still, obviously, but I don't think this gave any indication she didn't consider the group friends. Toph is tough and her interactions with others reflect this. Aang will be the one to teach her about being more peaceful and cooperative, because that is who he is. It will have to rub off on her eventually or else we will end up with a character that most of us(including me at that point) hate. (Then I'd go back to Maang. lol) The harder the foundation is too build the stronger it will be.I think Toph and Aang will need to learn from one another to survive working together. And, in doing so, they will build a strong foundation for a relationship of any kind, whether it be purely platonic or romantic.
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Post by horseluva66 on Jun 15, 2006 18:03:17 GMT -5
I like Taang better because in my opinion the chemistry is better there.
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