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Post by Amira on Jun 15, 2006 18:13:11 GMT -5
I think the scene in Bitter Work should not be looked at as "motherly" but as a further example of their friendship and how well they know each other. She has been his teacher for a while now. She has been his friend for a long time. She knows him and what works. And she knows how he beats up on himself. And I think she knew Toph was not going to back down and was just going to keep hammering him until he did finally break. Also, she knows Aang carries a ridiculous amount of guilt and blame for his current situation in regards to being rushed to learn the elements and Toph treating him the way she was wasn't helping. I think she knew that if she didn't do something, he'd just sit there and let Toph continue to berate him because in Aang's mind he probably felt he deserved it for failing and not learning fast enough.
And nothing confirms that more that his speech to Sokka at the end of the episode about feeling pressure and everyone's expectations and failing.
Katara was being supportive. She was being his friend and pulling him out of a bad situation which she knew was just going to get worse. I'd do that for my best friend and I seriously doubt she'd consider it being motherly.
And honestly, if she had just stood on the sidelines knowing what she knows about Aang's personality and his feelings and let Toph behave like that towards him and break him down, I'd say she wasn't a good friend to Aang.
It's clear they have a strong bond and a deep friendship. I just think it's sad Katara cannot be supportive and defensive of him (which benefits her as well because if the war is stopped she can see her father, no more fighting,etc.) and still be seen as his best friend. She suddenly becomes his "mother" if she shows an ounce of anything more than a pat on the shoulder towards Aang. And yet the same behaviors would be considered loving, nuturing, supportive, etc. if she was with Zuko. It is a rather unfair double standard.
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Post by daydream11 on Jun 15, 2006 18:14:21 GMT -5
Katara is a mother figure to Aang. Protective, nurturing, encouraging, and freely giving out advice, Katara practically *screams* mother figure in "Bitter Work", where she tries to convince Toph that Aang needs to be treated gentler. If anything- friends, mother-figure, lovers- I'd hope that she would be like that. In any decent relationship both people should be somewhat like that. It's only natural to be like that towards somebody you love. I don't see it as being "motherly" at all, but as being a good friend towards the other person. Plus, Katara is already like that; it's her personality. And I also feel like she doesn't give it too much. I feel like she knows what she's doing and knows how to give it- when to not and let him figure things out for himself (like in Siege of the North...Aang was the one that figured things out all by himself. Katara was just the back-up) or when to give it and help him along. In Bitter Work I feel that she would have been like that regardless, because of him being taught by someone different. Now on Aang being mature, I feel that he is. He has that dangerous innocence going on- he can go both ways and more often than not he's being mature. Mature in the sense of taking on his responsibilites without complaint and trying to settle things out for himself. He does what he has to do when he has to do it, and knows how to keep his thoughts and meotions under control. Now, I see his carefree and fun-loving personality as a reflection of his element. It's just how he is, but he doesn't let it get in the way. That's maturity.
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Post by Lady Liesl on Jun 15, 2006 18:17:12 GMT -5
True dat daydream11.....
...kataang pwns XD
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Post by palindrome on Jun 15, 2006 20:18:21 GMT -5
Hm, interesting arguements. Here's my idea: I don't think Aang will end up with Katara. Although there is some evidence of a Kataang relationship right now, with Aang having a definite crush on Katara and Katara at least showing a couple signs of considering him as a possibility, I think that there are ultimately too many things against them for it to work. Katara is a mother figure to Aang. Protective, nurturing, encouraging, and freely giving out advice, Katara practically *screams* mother figure in "Bitter Work", where she tries to convince Toph that Aang needs to be treated gentler. Katara is also older than Aang. Now, I know this has been debated until blood has poured from everyone's eye sockets, but in my opinion, it is a valid strike against them. At that age, a two year age gap is a very large difference. Katara's maturity level is far beyond that of Aang's, and that is reflected in her previous choices in crushes, which leads me to my next point: Katara's previous crushes. Jet was an obvious one. Dark, dangerous, and angry, as a Zutarian I like to think of Jet as foreshadowing for Zuko. He is far from Aang's bouncy, childish joyfullness. The next one you might consider is Haru. Although not as dark or as dangerous, he possessed a quiet maturity that Aang has rarely, if ever, displayed. But.... I'm not going with Toph, either. She's loud, mean, bossy, obnoxious, and far too much of a work-aholic for Aang. Unless, of course, we're going for the 'opposites attract' thing. But I really don't see it happening without a *lot* of character development for the both of them. So.... who would Aang end up with? MENG! Yes, who else but the lovable and spunky little Meng? More girlishly romantic and sweet than Toph, and yet more childlike and playful than Katara, I think Meng would make the perfect match for Aang! *Wilderness is shot dead* Rage is growing! Urge to kill rising! For the last fricken time, age and maturity doesn't matter in a relationship!!! *Screams a rage roar of fury* I beg to differ. Age may not matter so much, but maturity is VERY important in a romantic relationship, especial considering how old most of the characters are. When you get older, a year or two doesn't make that much of a difference, but in kids it does. With infants, a few months make all the difference in the world, and in young kids, there is a lot of space between five and seven. So yes, the two years between Aang and Katara are slightly more significant that the two between Katara and Zuko. Also, guys, maybe I'm paranoid, but I feel like this thread may turn into a thread war. Let's be nice and respect other people's opinions, 'kay?
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Post by Confettie on Jun 15, 2006 20:31:07 GMT -5
Ture the younger you are the more important age is. That statement pretty much rules out every relationship except ZukoxMai and ZukoXSong because their only a year apart. Zuko being 16 would see a 14 year old Katara and being to young and immature for him. I bet that why Sokka though Aang was talking about Meng (sp) because they're closer in age instead of Katara. Sokka and is keen detective skills ;D. Maybe that also why Aang rule out Meng because she so shelter. I mean all she does is dream about her future husband that girl has a little to much time on her hands. Poor Aang doesn't even have that much time to sit around a daydream about Katara.
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Post by silverdreams on Jun 15, 2006 23:34:55 GMT -5
WW, I agree with what you said about Katara and how she is motherly towards Aang. I disagree on Toph, but I *was* a Maang shipper until Toph appeared, so Meng is still up there for Aang to me. I just like Toph even better. Ok, Katara has not just been "supportive" of Aang, she has also been "mothering". And there is a difference. Supportive would be her being there as a "support" to him, which she definitely has been. Like when she tells him that he can do something and she has confidence in him and knows he can do it. That kinda encouragement is supportive and totally goes along with her being his best freind and is a good thing to have in a romantic relationship, too. BUT, she has also been mothering, or sisterly, toward him. She has not only supported him in his battles, but she has gone so far as to fight them for him. The example that comes immediately to mind is how she goes and takes care of those two boys in "The Blind Bandit". When Aang gets dissed by them, she gives him a very sisterly/motherly shoulder squeeze and tells him "I'll take care of it." And then she proceeds to beat them up for him. She also sounds very much like a mother-figure in "Bitter Work" when she tells Aang flat out "Its ok, you can try earthbending again when you're ready" and pulls him out of the problem, instead of making him face it with her cheering him on from the sidelines(which would be supportive without crossing into motherly territory). Amiraelizabeth, though Aang has never indicated that he wants a mother figure, it doesn't matter. The mothering really goes more to how Katara sees him, not how he sees her. *She* sees him as part of her family. So, she mothers him on occasion. Like I think I showed above, it isn't at ALL occasions. But, it is enough that I think it precludes her thinking about him that way. Now, I think it is kind of silly to claim that Toph and Aang don't think of each other as freinds. When Aang yells about how he can't believe he yelled at his earthbending teacher, what was he suppossed to say? "I can't believe I yelled at my freind!"? He could have, I suppose, but that would have sounded wierd. And, Toph's purpose so far *is* to teach Aang earthbending. It is hardly surprising that he would be freaking out that he had shewed away the girl who had basically been ordained to teach him earthbending. Just because he was thinking about her role, doesn't mean he didn''t consider her a freind, too. Also, couldn't the reason that Aang refers to Toph as Earthbending teacher and Sifu be because he has respect for her? (Not that he doesn't respect Katara, of course.) And also because Toph came into his life with an already known purpose, to teach him? But, to say that that is going to be her only purpose and the only way she and Aang will relate is to delegate her to being a one-dimensional character. Which is something I seriously doubt is going to happen. Besides, just because the relationship between Toph and Aang is starting out differently then the one between Aang and Katara, doesn't mean that there will be any less of a freindship present by the end. Lets rememebr that they have only known each other 3 episodes. And, Toph refers to the gang as freinds(by implication) in "The Blind Bandit" during her speech to her father. She was probably only really thinking about Aang at that point, too, because he was the only one she had really gotten to know out of the group. True, she was not too helpful in "The Chase". The reason she gave was that she would carry her own weight. It just didn't click to her that she should help them carry theirs because she feels that *everyone* carries their own weight. This is how she sees the world and what it means to be independent. She has to learn still, obviously, but I don't think this gave any indication she didn't consider the group friends. Toph is tough and her interactions with others reflect this. Aang will be the one to teach her about being more peaceful and cooperative, because that is who he is. It will have to rub off on her eventually or else we will end up with a character that most of us(including me at that point) hate. (Then I'd go back to Maang. lol) The harder the foundation is too build the stronger it will be.I think Toph and Aang will need to learn from one another to survive working together. And, in doing so, they will build a strong foundation for a relationship of any kind, whether it be purely platonic or romantic. Katara is motherly towards aang because 'motherly' is her personality. Shes like that way to EVERYONE. And yes, including zuko with the "I can help" She does like aang, but of course its seen as motherly because thats who she is. But she does show a love interest in aang. Aang only thinks of her as a teacher, really. As for the sifu thing, he only called her sifu because thats what he sees her as, simply a teacher. He never called katara that because he thinks of her as more of a friend rather than a teacher. For example, in school you call your teachers mr/mrs/ms/mz last name, and for college student, 'professor'.... would you refer to a friend/love interest like that? Not really. Toph and Aang may have known each other for only 3 episodes, but remember that in the first 3 episodes of avatar in general, katara and aang showed so much more friendship, and love interest than aang and toph have shown to each other. In the second episode, we even had sokka acusing aang of being katara's 'boyfriend'. There has also been many smile exchanges, tears, and support. And clearly, as peope have said, sokka aprooves of aang and katara. I don't think he would aproove of toph cause... toph pretty much hates sokka. Sokka doesn't hate her, but she hates him... for unknown reasons. They don't get along. She was generally thinking about aang in a friendship sorta way atthe end of the blind bandit... even when she said, "goodbye aang" and not referring to sokka or katara. But, by that point I doubt she even knew sokka or katara's names. The only person she even talked to then was aang. Besides the end of that episode, it doesn't even seem like toph values aang as a friend, otherwize she wouldn't yell at him so much. Though, by this point I think toph sees katara as a friend. They were being pretty nice and sisterly towards each other in bitter work, even after all the disptes in the chase (still acting sisterly)... but they still seemed to be on girl terms to the point of friendship in bitter work. Sokka and her however, definatley need a lot more work in the friendship area (or romantic area...) As said by others, toph definatley isn't the kind thats generally ready for a romantic relationship. Shes very independent. And the relationship would do bad for aang. We don't want aang to be all spunky like her. Each character has their own personality that should not be altered, because they're all great (cept maybe toph's, but i don't want her to change TOO much considering I don't like rapid personality shifts) Toph refers to carrying her own weight in another sense that shes independent. She doesn't need anyone. Which is another sense that toph won't be with anyone. Of course however, she was being obnoxious and naive in the sense that katara simply wanted toph to be a member of the team, rather then be absent and non-friendly towards anyone. I still think that toph's most obnoxious point was in the blind bandit when we was in that fancy dress and wanting everyone to go away... she just seemed too much like the rich snob type... thankfully she at least got over that. As for meng and aang, I personally like that pairing. Because its really cute. And I think just about everyone feels the burn of liking someone when they don't like you back. Plus, meng wasn't bossy in the least. Kataang still stays my OTP, with zutara following closely behind. dang that was long...
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Post by Gotterdammerung on Jun 15, 2006 23:38:35 GMT -5
I always find the argument over whether Katara has a motherly attitude towards Aang interesting because I honestly feel like Katara tends to act like she's his girlfriend more than his mother.
There's actually a very interesting dichotomy between mothers and girlfriends because when you break it down mothers and girlfriends do tend to behave in a similar manner. And I don't mean that in an Oedipal way, but rather they're both expected to comfort, to support, and to look out for the boy in question.
I feel like people tend to associate Katara's behavior with "mother" more than "girlfriend" because she's older than Aang. I don't think we'd get that nearly as much if they were the same age. And to me the thing that separates Katara's behavior towards Aang from that of "motherly" is the fact that a key aspect of a motherly attitude is the authority. Katara rarely, if ever, acts as though she's in a position of authority over Aang. In fact, she defers to Aang more often than not.
It's made very clear from the very beginning that she looks up to Aang a lot and sometimes she's so adamant in that admiration that I sort of feel like she's fangirling him. One instance that always comes to mind is in Jet when she's rejecting the idea of Sokka being the leader and then says that if anyone should be the leader it should be Aang. And, of course, way back in the pilot when Gran Gran tells her not to put all her hopes in this one boy and Katara just rhapsodizes about the "great wisdom" that she senses Aang is full of.
It's not in an overwrought or extremely obvious way, but I think that Aang is Katara's hero a lot of the time. It's very clear if you step back and look at the way that she talks about him and to him in the serious moments. She respects him, she admires him, and her belief in him is unwavering.
Also, the thing that I think kills the whole "motherly" reading are the hints that she reciprocates Aang's romantic feelings for her. Honestly, it also puts a damper on the big age difference issue as well since if Katara, who spends every day with him and is also the only person besides Aang who their relationship concerns, doesn't feel like Aang is too immature for her to return his feelings, then, you know, who are we to decide that he is?
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Post by goddessoflove on Jun 16, 2006 2:21:58 GMT -5
Wow, Taang is getting crushed. i guess it's b/c it hasn't had time to develope. i should've waited to post this a little later when there were more Taang shippers.
Spread the love 4 it is the only thing keeping this world together.
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Post by masterpakku on Jun 16, 2006 10:16:46 GMT -5
My bud and I have our own battle kinda of similar to this going on. He likes Toph and I like Katara. We haven't really gotten into the whole Aang relationship situation, but based on my opinion Toph and Aang would never last. Katara may be motherly towards Aang but that is what makes Aang attracted to her. Toph is loud, rude, insensitive, bossy, and obnoxious. I really don't think that that would ever happen. And as far as the Zutara thing goes, no way. That is all I am gonna say.
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Post by Yang Fishy on Jun 16, 2006 11:22:26 GMT -5
I feel like she knows what she's doing and knows how to give it- when to not and let him figure things out for himself (like in Siege of the North...Aang was the one that figured things out all by himself. Katara was just the back-up I beg to differ, Aang has come a long way from his encasement in the iceberg but he has had a lot of help throughout his journey from friends, to previous Avatars/spirits to even enemies. This can't be stressed enough; it all comes down to how one interprets the characters and their relationships to one another. However, I don't think the interpretation of Katara being a "Mother/Sister/Counsel" type of figure reduces Aang to a mere infant or disgustingly ruin what they have. Katara's personality could be seen like that with everyone but in reality she doesn't treat Sokka or any other character like say Toph the same way. Whether or not Aang has fully matured when it comes to being wise, he continues being a child to this day. And there have been times where Aang has shown he can't do it all on his own... Take the Blue Spirit episode as an example. When both Katara and Sokka were prone to sickness it was up to Aang and Aang alone to go off and find a cure for them. On his way he was captured and failed to bring his friends the cure when they needed it the most. While being oblivious to what he was indirectly doing, Blue Spirit actually helped Aang in providing both Sokka and Katara with a cure before it was too late. Earlier in the Winter Solstice part 1, Aang needed to find a way to speak to Avatar Roku and rescue Sokka on his own. With the help of Avatar Roku's Spirit guide, he was able to rescue Sokka and with the help of Katara's wisdom he was able to help the villagers with their predicament. Katara mentioned being so proud of Aang because he managed to figure it all out on his own. But Aang admitted to having a little outside help. Later on in The Siege of the North, Aang proved to be strong willed and determined yet he wasn't able to bring down all the ships like the people of the tribe(Yue) expected him to since he was the Avatar. He warns his friends that he couldn't do it because there was way to many of them and he was just a kid, yet when push came to shove he triggered his Avatar Spirit and literally wiped out all those who were opposing and bringing harm to the Northern Watertribe in mere seconds. One character also seems to notice this when he mentions "There's always something. Not that you would understand. You’re like my sister. Everything always came easy to her." In the same day, while the war continues Aang needs to find a way to stop it by gathering wisdom from the Spirits. While in the Spirit world Aang gains helpful knowledge from Avatar Roku and Koh the face stealer. Although, Aang had worried that there will be no one there to teach him how to be the Avatar the journey has really taught him that the only one who can teach him how to be the Avatar is himself. Now in recent events, Toph wasn't being obnoxious or doubtful because she believed that Aang could be a true Earthbender and face the rock head on. She clearly mentions "You had a perfect stance and perfect form but when it came right down to it you didn't have the guts!" The only thing that was bringing him down in that occasion was himself(his own inner turmoil) because she knew he would be able to Earthbend since he had done it perhaps a thousand times in a thousand lifetimes, being the Avatar and all. .... ... .. . Toph and Aang may have known each other for only 3 episodes, but remember that in the first 3 episodes of avatar in general, katara and aang showed so much more friendship, and love interest than aang and toph have shown to each other. That may be true but why are we comparing how Katara and Aang interacted to how Toph and Aang came to know each other, when clearly Toph and Katara are two very different people? All relationships start off very differently and in different circumstances so it's only natural that Tophaang or any other ship involving Aang or Katara won't be the same as Kataang. And clearly, as peope have said, sokka aprooves of aang and katara. I don't think he would aproove of toph cause... toph pretty much hates sokka. Sokka doesn't hate her, but she hates him... for unknown reasons. They don't get along. In a relationship, does approval of others really matter? If that were the case, Oma&Shu would have never had a romance at all because their nations were at war with one another. It takes two to tango and it only takes two people to form a couple, quite frankly three is a crowd. Besides, I doubt Sokka approves of any romance involving his sister because he's a protective brother and doesn't want her to get hurt like he has. Hate is such a strong word and I doubt that Sokka and Toph hate each other. They might not have started on the right foot but their interactions actually add humor to the show>< As said by others, toph definitely isn't the kind thats generally ready for a romantic relationship. Shes very independent. And the relationship would do bad for Aang. We don't want aang to be all spunky like her. Each character has their own personality that should not be altered, because they're all great (cept maybe toph's, but i don't want her to change TOO much considering I don't like rapid personality shifts) Actually, any present relationship would be bad for both Aang and yes even Zuko in a sense since their both on their own missions and have their own duties to the world. A relationship for them could be both supportive and destructive since they'll be distracted and in the process could even put their loved ones in danger. Aang is now learning from Toph and in order to move a rock and be an Earthbender, Aang has to be both physically and mentally immovable/stubborn. That being the case, it won't be surprising if Aang goes through a slight personality change by the end of his Earthbending lessons. Toph may also change since Aang may show her how to be more free like the air, which would then have them learning from each other^^ (my post was way too long !)
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Post by concreteangel on Jun 16, 2006 16:47:24 GMT -5
*looks at the long posts*
Whatever.....
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Post by daydream11 on Jun 16, 2006 18:07:05 GMT -5
I feel like she knows what she's doing and knows how to give it- when to not and let him figure things out for himself (like in Siege of the North...Aang was the one that figured things out all by himself. Katara was just the back-up I beg to differ, Aang has come a long way from his encasement in the iceberg but he has had a lot of help throughout his journey from friends, to previous Avatars/spirits to even enemies. This can't be stressed enough; it all comes down to how one interprets the characters and their relationships to one another. However, I don't think the interpretation of Katara being a "Mother/Sister/Counsel" type of figure reduces Aang to a mere infant or disgustingly ruin what they have. Katara's personality could be seen like that with everyone but in reality she doesn't treat Sokka or any other character like say Toph the same way. Whether or not Aang has fully matured when it comes to being wise, he continues being a child to this day. And there have been times where Aang has shown he can't do it all on his own... Take the Blue Spirit episode as an example. When both Katara and Sokka were prone to sickness it was up to Aang and Aang alone to go off and find a cure for them. On his way he was captured and failed to bring his friends the cure when they needed it the most. While being oblivious to what he was indirectly doing, Blue Spirit actually helped Aang in providing both Sokka and Katara with a cure before it was too late. Earlier in the Winter Solstice part 1, Aang needed to find a way to speak to Avatar Roku and rescue Sokka on his own. With the help of Avatar Roku's Spirit guide, he was able to rescue Sokka and with the help of Katara's wisdom he was able to help the villagers with their predicament. Katara mentioned being so proud of Aang because he managed to figure it all out on his own. But Aang admitted to having a little outside help. Later on in The Siege of the North, Aang proved to be strong willed and determined yet he wasn't able to bring down all the ships like the people of the tribe(Yue) expected him to since he was the Avatar. He warns his friends that he couldn't do it because there was way to many of them and he was just a kid, yet when push came to shove he triggered his Avatar Spirit and literally wiped out all those who were opposing and bringing harm to the Northern Watertribe in mere seconds. One character also seems to notice this when he mentions "There's always something. Not that you would understand. You’re like my sister. Everything always came easy to her." In the same day, while the war continues Aang needs to find a way to stop it by gathering wisdom from the Spirits. While in the Spirit world Aang gains helpful knowledge from Avatar Roku and Koh the face stealer. Although, Aang had worried that there will be no one there to teach him how to be the Avatar the journey has really taught him that the only one who can teach him how to be the Avatar is himself. Now in recent events, Toph wasn't being obnoxious or doubtful because she believed that Aang could be a true Earthbender and face the rock head on. She clearly mentions "You had a perfect stance and perfect form but when it came right down to it you didn't have the guts!" The only thing that was bringing him down in that occasion was himself(his own inner turmoil) because she knew he would be able to Earthbend since he had done it perhaps a thousand times in a thousand lifetimes, being the Avatar and all. .... ... .. . That may be true but why are we comparing how Katara and Aang interacted to how Toph and Aang came to know each other, when clearly Toph and Katara are two very different people? All relationships start off very differently and in different circumstances so it's only natural that Tophaang or any other ship involving Aang or Katara won't be the same as Kataang. In a relationship, does approval of others really matter? If that were the case, Oma&Shu would have never had a romance at all because their nations were at war with one another. It takes two to tango and it only takes two people to form a couple, quite frankly three is a crowd. Besides, I doubt Sokka approves of any romance involving his sister because he's a protective brother and doesn't want her to get hurt like he has. Hate is such a strong word and I doubt that Sokka and Toph hate each other. They might not have started on the right foot but their interactions actually add humor to the show>< As said by others, toph definitely isn't the kind thats generally ready for a romantic relationship. Shes very independent. And the relationship would do bad for Aang. We don't want aang to be all spunky like her. Each character has their own personality that should not be altered, because they're all great (cept maybe toph's, but i don't want her to change TOO much considering I don't like rapid personality shifts) Actually, any present relationship would be bad for both Aang and yes even Zuko in a sense since their both on their own missions and have their own duties to the world. A relationship for them could be both supportive and destructive since they'll be distracted and in the process could even put their loved ones in danger. Aang is now learning from Toph and in order to move a rock and be an Earthbender, Aang has to be both physically and mentally immovable/stubborn. That being the case, it won't be surprising if Aang goes through a slight personality change by the end of his Earthbending lessons. Toph may also change since Aang may show her how to be more free like the air, which would then have them learning from each other^^ (my post was way too long !) It's true that he uses his resources in order to help him along. I'd expect him to, really. Nobody can do anything completely alone. I still stand on the "Aang is very mature" line, but I admit that he had to learn some things before he got to the point where he is now. Plus, being the Avatar, it's almost expected of him to get the help of the spirits from time to time. All of these episodes you mention are just more examples of how he wisely uses what he has avaliable to achieve what he needs, but nine times out of ten it's him who takes the first step to get to it, and then uses his common sense to go even further. This is what I mean by "Aang was the one that figured things out all by himself". He willingly lets people help him, but he isn't completely dependent on them. Amen to that. ;D
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Post by gambitia on Jun 16, 2006 18:12:26 GMT -5
You guys, please don't quote really long posts, or at least edit them so that we don't have so much vertical stretch. Thanks.
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Post by concreteangel on Jun 16, 2006 19:26:47 GMT -5
That's the mods for you.....
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Post by silverdreams on Jun 16, 2006 19:37:53 GMT -5
I don't know why many of you guys think that aang is immature. For a 12 year old, and considering 12 year old boys I've met, aang is VERY mature for is age. Ad for toph, shes very immature for her age... seeing how normal girls and boys that age act, in real life and in the show. Katara obviously has shown much more love than toph ever has towards aang. I understand different relationships start out different, but I just don't see aang/toph as being helpful to either of them, much less toph. From what we've seen, toph isn't going to become any gentler... at least not from aang. If anyone, that would be iroh... considering their talk. Possibly zuko, because its easy to see that toph connects to zuko. Toph and Aang don't like each other... their personalities dont mix. since im lazy, i'll say no more at this moment then that taang will never work, but kataang will and already has. Zutara might work... but that would be weird with kataang... but I have a weird theory about it. If I feel like it, I might turn that theory into a fanfic... but its for both zutara and kataang, so....yah.
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