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Post by jillrg on Nov 20, 2008 23:35:35 GMT -5
The live-action films, the rumored mini-episodes this spring...
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Post by nandireya on Nov 21, 2008 2:02:41 GMT -5
The live-action movies are based on what's already happened...and I thought the mini-episodes were debunked by Mike and Bryan...
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Post by aquavi on Nov 21, 2008 9:04:56 GMT -5
Not to mention they've already implied that if they were going to be slated for more Avatar stories, it'd probably be with a different cast as 'The Story of Aang' (which is what ATLA is) is over. (They'd probably just change the 'TLA' part of the title to indicate same world-verse, different story.)
Here's hoping the movies don't turn into a George Lucas Love Story!
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Post by Amira on Nov 21, 2008 14:46:27 GMT -5
That, I do agree with. Bryke was a bit childish about the whole Zutara thing, and considering they make up such a large expanse of their fandom, they treated them all rather cruelly. But that fandom treated them rather poorly as well and many of that fandom refused to take responsibility for the behavior. It might not be fair to a large majority of the Zutarians, but they let the loud, rabid and over-the-top ones represent them and create their image. Unfortunately Goten, people don't remember the sweet people like you. I'm sure Mike and Bryan didn't. They remember the loud people who were acting childish and who had no respect. Case in point: My sister was lurking around the Avatar boards and looking at fan art on DA while visiting last week. She came across some ranting posts and some of the instances that happened on DeviantArt and LiveJournal and some of the stuff that's been referenced on FandomWank. She was shocked when I told her that some these were people that were in their early 20's, some married, etc. She just assumed that they were girls in their pre-teens or early teens. She could not believe that grown people were acting like that over cartoon pairings. So take her reaction and then look at it from Mike and Bryan's perspective. Something you've worked hard on for over 5 years and it is being trashed and you are being trashed because you don't put in the pairing that some of the fandom seems to want and they absolutely refuse to see YOUR story how YOU envisioned it. They refuse to even acknowledge your point of view other than to deem that it is far lacking compared to theirs. I remember interviews where they did say without giving away huge plot points that Aang and Katara's romance was "in the DNA." I do remember when they tried to tell people that they were reading into things too much. I think they were pretty polite about the whole thing until the finale book came out in May. Then people started to blow it all out of proportion and the bad behavior just escalated all around. But then again, I think all shippers take themselves far too seriously and take their ships far too seriously. This coming from someone who does just that. Look at how Sifu Kisu got upset when people were joking about him in the internet. People forget that these people can read everything that is written about them and their creations. I don't want to offend anyone, but I'm am getting a bit tired of the fandom refusing to take any responsibility for their own behavior, how they are viewed, etc. And that's on all sides, not just the Zutarians.
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Post by goten0040 on Nov 21, 2008 16:29:53 GMT -5
I hope I don't sound awful in this, but 'm not willing to take responsibility for someone who makes my fandom look bad. That's not my job. The problem is, the rabid fangirls aren't taking responsibility because they don't think they're doing anything wrong.
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Post by ZamKenobi on Nov 21, 2008 19:03:51 GMT -5
The problem here is that the sane fans can't stop the insane fans from acting insane. We can say "Stop" all we want to, but usually they won't. Admittedly, there aren't enough fans telling people to stop acting ridiculous. Even sane fans tend to act crazy in the wrong atmosphere. I just feel like the Internet in general brings out the worst in a lot of people. But that's an entirely different discussion....
On Mike and Bryan...I wasn't offended by their comments, but I agree that it was in poor taste. Since when is responding to immaturity with more immaturity and lumping the rabid and normal together the right response? I don't hate them or even hold it against them, but I think they responded to the fandom in the wrong way. I know they've worked on big projects before, but this is the first show they've created by themselves, right? I attribute it to being new to getting that much attention. Maybe they'll learn how to better handle the fandom on their next project...or not, whatever, I don't really care.
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Post by jillrg on Nov 21, 2008 19:44:30 GMT -5
Seems to be customary to end posts in this thread with "but whatever, I don't really care" or the like.
And yet, we're posting, so we obviously care.
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Post by Amira on Nov 21, 2008 20:01:03 GMT -5
I think just what bothers me is people are downing (and I not saying that's here) M&B's behavior, when the fandom has behaved 100x's worse. And like you said, this might be their first major fan experience. They might not have entirely known how to handle it. I do know they did try to tell people in interviews (like I said without giving away the plot) major hints about who was the romance of the series. But when people started denouncing the finale book (released in may) as fake and such, it just took on new heights of ridiculous.
And at that point, what was the motivation to take the fandom seriously?
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Post by nandireya on Nov 21, 2008 21:03:04 GMT -5
Because not all the fandom are like that?
I may not have liked how the finale sounded in the book (and I didn't care for the finale in its actual animated form much better) but I never declared it as a fake. It has always been a small percentage that makes the whole look bad...but the retaliation of those attacked...ie Mike and Bryan...hits all targets and only alienated those who were not deserving of those attacks.
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Post by Amira on Nov 21, 2008 21:49:45 GMT -5
But I guess if no one is willing to do anything to show that the loud and crazy isn't the norm than what's to stop someone from just assuming and believing that it is? Or even caring. They aren't mind readers. They might lurk in the major places on the internet or get shown things by staffers.
When you sit back and let people represent you in a less than positive way don't be surprised when you are lumped in with them.
Dont get me wrong. I feel bad for the Zutarians who get unfairly lumped in with the crazy ones and I've listened to a few speak of their upset over the way their fellow fans behaved. But not one of them ever did anything about it.
Perhaps I just never knew what they were seeking from Mike and Bryan.
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Post by Horyo on Nov 21, 2008 22:04:05 GMT -5
I think why Mike and Bryan did the Season 4 scene was because so many (annoying) fans have declared their utter hatred for the show, or those "I'm going to forever hate Avatar...blahblahblah if my ship doesn't happen." That's absolutely selfish and disrespectful to the creators who have pretty much given us an amazing show. I took a great laugh from their season 4 thing, and I'd laugh at it had it been any other ship being attacked. Many of the fans are creative and artistic: Mike and Bryan's ending is just one idea, their idea in a universe of endless possibilities. Let's just agree to blame the rabid fangirls who ruin everything.
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Post by Amira on Nov 21, 2008 22:08:38 GMT -5
I laughed at it and it made Aang look stupid and Kataang look stupid and then it had Azulaang which was just odd. It was a joke.
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Post by goten0040 on Nov 21, 2008 22:23:25 GMT -5
To be honest, the Zutara "breakup" in their "Season Four" had me huddled over laughing. It was hilarious. And I don't hold the whole thing against Mike and Brian at all - I pretty much knew from the beginning that Zutara would be strict fanon, and I'm still just fine with that. I did find their reactions a little in poor taste, but as you guys have said, it very well can be justified. I just expected them to be more... mature (?) about it. I mean, the Zutarians (rabid ones and all) make up a LARGE part of the fandom. I thought they'd be a little more respectful to them (even if a select few didn't deserve it).
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Post by nandireya on Nov 21, 2008 22:28:51 GMT -5
I actually didn't find it funny...I wasn't offended by it, I just didn't find any humour in it...but that can be said for most of the 'comedy' in the show...a lot of it was very forced, but that was due to the age group it was aimed at. I didn't laugh at all during Nightmares and Daydreams...
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Post by goten0040 on Nov 21, 2008 22:37:16 GMT -5
No, that humor was epic fail. I agree on that. I was like..... "Okaaay." Though I have laughed at Sokka quite a bit. Jack DeSena made him a very funny character.
Anyway, back on topic.... >>;
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