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Post by nuemilee on Nov 21, 2008 23:13:50 GMT -5
I find this whole fangirls vs. Bryke thing is just another 'Chicken vs. Egg' story.
I have nothing against them, as I've never actually met them and don't know what they're like. And as someone beforehand said, this is their first experience with such a large fandom, and they probably didn't know how to handle it.
I didn't find their Book 4 skit all that interesting. I laughed a little, but otherwise found it really boring and could really care less if it was offending anyone.
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Post by aquavi on Nov 21, 2008 23:30:18 GMT -5
I didn't even watch it... maybe there's a better vid out, but the one I first found I couldn't hear the dialogue very well, and it became clear in a few seconds that it would be about a bunch of pairings that I COULD care less about because I, in fact, do. It is clear that as the creative source for the series they should have been bigger then the childish, catty fandom that they were subjected to and stayed neutral and refrained from what could have misconstrued as mocking. A simple "This is our story, we hope you like it; it's fine if you don't but hey, you have been with us all this way right? After everything, whatever you do is whatever you do and we won't stop you." They seemed to have this initially (as earlier on it was clear that they didn't want to lose any Zutara viewers) but it seemed to get to them in the end... but I think a lot of things did. What can you do? Lord knows I'm still playing in their sandbox despite everything.
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Post by Horyo on Nov 22, 2008 0:08:00 GMT -5
To be honest, the Zutara "breakup" in their "Season Four" had me huddled over laughing. It was hilarious. And I don't hold the whole thing against Mike and Brian at all - I pretty much knew from the beginning that Zutara would be strict fanon, and I'm still just fine with that. I did find their reactions a little in poor taste, but as you guys have said, it very well can be justified. I just expected them to be more... mature (?) about it. I mean, the Zutarians (rabid ones and all) make up a LARGE part of the fandom. I thought they'd be a little more respectful to them (even if a select few didn't deserve it). I can see where you're coming from. It seemed to be an "in-your-face" deal, right? If I were more partial to shipping, I might have thought it was stupid, but I'm not, so any avatar-production I get from Mike and Bryan I soak it all up, : D
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Post by Kohana on Nov 23, 2008 9:27:55 GMT -5
I do have to agree that most of the fandom haven't been that nice to Bryke and that some of their retaliation is justified. However the thing is, most of those rabid Zutara fangirls are like, 12-14 years old while Mike and Bryan are around 30. They should know better than a bunch of little girls, imo. They should have at least attempted to keep most of their Zutara comments to themselves, like the one in the Sozin's Comet book. It's not because it's their creation and that they preferred Kataang, that everyone has to as well. Everyone has a right to their own opinions. And like Goten said, it's not like every Zutarian was like that and they should have been a bit more respectful to them. As for the fanfiction part which I seemed to have missed. I personally don't like OOC fics or fics where they bash someone, but they honestly don't bother me. Or better put, I don't let them bother me. People have their own preferences and their own interpretations of shows, books, films, etc... and they like to pour out their thoughts into a fanfic. We can't force them to like a certain character or like what's canon. It's not because Bryke did a certain ending that everyone has to agree with it. If I see that they, for example, bash Aang in a Zutara fic or bash Zuko in a Kataang fic yes, I love both ships so I read fanfiction of both ships, I just stop reading and move on to another fic that's more worth reading. Besides, the forum ships are WAY more interesting. Heh, yes indeed. DH ships FTW. I agree as well.
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Post by Amira on Nov 23, 2008 22:07:28 GMT -5
Actually Kohana, many if not all of the most rabid are far from being 12-14. Several I know are are in their twenties. So many of these fans are old enough to know as well that their behavior is not warranted or appropriate. Like I said, I showed my sister some of the more rabid responses and she was shocked to learn they were not written by kids, they were in fact written by young women in their late-teens and twenties and in some cases grown women with families.
Does it excuse what Mike and Bryan did. No. But then again, I am of the mind they did nothing terribly wrong anyway.
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Post by Azuna the Screaming Gopher on Dec 27, 2008 15:20:20 GMT -5
^ I second that!!! I totally second that!!! They really did nothing wrong,but i do agree with what Bryke said about Zutara. (Does that make me a bad person???)
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Post by riverbird on Dec 27, 2008 21:34:16 GMT -5
Concerning Mike and Bryan, they kept their comments about zutara very tame in the beginning (in the interview included in S1 they don't give a real response to it at all). But it wouldn't surprise me if they got more and more frustrated as time went on, and some of the more hardcore zutara fans began to grate on their nerves.
While I am sure they understand that people will look at different sides of the story, and love certain aspects of it more than other parts... It can't be that shocking that they could have been unhappy that fans were angry at them and wanting to "boycott" their show just because of a pairing.
Yes they are in their 30's, but I don't think anyone can have enough patience to be able to stand by while tons of people tear apart their creation just because a pairing.
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Post by goten0040 on Dec 27, 2008 22:05:00 GMT -5
Yeah, but that's only a few of them. I just find it rather shameful that they would make comments to us as a whole. We're not all crazy. I totally get the frustration, but the Zutarians weren't the only ones threatening to boycott the show if their ship didn't happen. I'm pretty certain that if the series had gone the way of Zutara, Kataangs would have reacted the exact same way. It's childish, but a reality. *le sigh*
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Post by nandireya on Dec 27, 2008 22:07:04 GMT -5
Come now...there's far more important things to boycott the show for than the relationships
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Post by goten0040 on Dec 27, 2008 22:51:11 GMT -5
Lol, I do agree. I mean, even though the show didn't go the way I wanted, I still love the show and I would never boycott it for something so trivial.
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Post by nandireya on Dec 27, 2008 22:58:28 GMT -5
It was Zuko being a complete and utter jerk that had me boycotting the show...and that was only until he got better I simply don't watch the episodes that feature the ship I don't like...and to be honest, that's not that many episodes...and they're not very good episodes...I doubt they'd get repeat viewings from me if they didn't contain the ship I don't like... Mind you...I couldn't tell you the last time I actually watched the show...
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Post by Ana on Dec 27, 2008 23:38:53 GMT -5
Come now...there's far more important things to boycott the show for than the relationships I agree. I mean, I think Avatar is ultimately about friendships. The characters grow and change because of each other. The romances just add some kissing to that. It's silly to get so worked up about that bit of kissing. Avatar is so much more than that.
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Post by nandireya on Dec 28, 2008 0:15:40 GMT -5
And their kids in their first romances...how many people end up forever with their first romance?
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Post by Ana on Dec 28, 2008 11:59:53 GMT -5
And their kids in their first romances...how many people end up forever with their first romance? Some do! Depends on the time period, really. Though yeah, I get what you're saying. If one didn't like the canon romances, they could have them break up in a future fic. But I don't see why one would want to change the entire ending because of the romances.
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Post by goten0040 on Dec 28, 2008 13:29:44 GMT -5
Well, really it was only the last couple of minutes that even confirmed any ships. With those moments just deleted, shipping could be up in the air. *shrug* In the end, I guess it's not such a big deal people make out of it.
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