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Post by Kohana on Dec 29, 2008 4:55:21 GMT -5
Come now...there's far more important things to boycott the show for than the relationships I agree. I mean, I think Avatar is ultimately about friendships. The characters grow and change because of each other. The romances just add some kissing to that. It's silly to get so worked up about that bit of kissing. Avatar is so much more than that. Couldn't agree more. That's actually why I thought they should have ended the show with a friendship moment instead of the Kataang kiss. I mean, the kiss was great and awesome but since, like Ana said, the show was more about friendships they should have ended with a friendship scene. Like maybe begin with the kiss and then Katara and Aang going back inside the tea shop. But that's my opinion... The ending was epic anyways, so it doesn't really matter to me. You know, they should have made one big ship: Kataangmaikosutokka. That way everyone is happy.
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Post by bacwas on Dec 29, 2008 9:52:45 GMT -5
I agree about the Kataang kiss. First of all, I'm a huge Maiko fan and I'm sooo thrilled that 3 months after the battle and their amazing reunion, Zuko and Mai are so obviously together(I mean Mai is part of the gaang, Sokka paints them together etc). And I also firmly believe that Katara and Aang belong together. I mean from the moment they met it was obvious. And their kiss is wonderful. But I also believe that the show should have ended with a complete gaang moment....something very sweet that shows just how strong the bonds are among all of them now. But, I'll take what we got. We can always reverse the last two moments in our minds.
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Post by Ana on Dec 29, 2008 12:19:31 GMT -5
Well, really it was only the last couple of minutes that even confirmed any ships. With those moments just deleted, shipping could be up in the air. Well, I don't know about that. The rest of the series was not ambiguous with shipping and even the "previously on Avatar..." before the finale showcased the canon ships. Besides, I don't think this Zutara re-write is just changing a few minuets. Don't they have a new "mysterious villain" or something? That's actually why I thought they should have ended the show with a friendship moment instead of the Kataang kiss. I mean, the kiss was great and awesome but since, like Ana said, the show was more about friendships they should have ended with a friendship scene. Eh, I may seem contrary with this but, my bias aside, I liked the Curtain Closes on a Kiss thing. For one thing, they already dealt with friendships (the fact that Iroh, who lost his son at Ba Sing Se, now has this new life there, surrounded by a whole new extended family... pulled at like every heart-string I have.) and hadn't really dealt with Aang and Katara's romance yet. For another things, Aang and Katara's relationship is probably the important one in the series. Actually, I think ending it that way would be bad. The arguments on what's canon would keep going on and on and on and...
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Post by Kohana on Dec 29, 2008 14:05:25 GMT -5
Eh, I may seem contrary with this but, my bias aside, I liked the Curtain Closes on a Kiss thing. For one thing, they already dealt with friendships (the fact that Iroh, who lost his son at Ba Sing Se, now has this new life there, surrounded by a whole new extended family... pulled at like every heart-string I have.) and hadn't really dealt with Aang and Katara's romance yet. For another things, Aang and Katara's relationship is probably the important one in the series. I think you kind of misread what I was saying. I'd definitely keep in the Kataang kiss, because like you just stated, Katara and Aang's growing relationship is the most important one of the show, out of every relationship (like Aang-Zuko, Sokka-Suki, Sokka-Toph,...). It would have been silly to not have any closure on that. So I would have started with Aang looking at the sky, leaning on the railing and then Katara coming and kissing him like they did and when they'd break apart they'd go in and see Zuko passing the tea around, etc. I just would have done a reverse because ultimately, the show was about teamwork and friendships, and not only about the Kataang relationship. Plus I can totally imagine Toph saying, "What took you two so long?" *smirk*Nonetheless, I do like the ending the way it already is (bias aside here as well ) because it was pretty how they moved the "camera" from Katara and Aang kissing towards the sky and say "The End". Actually, I think ending it that way would be bad. The arguments on what's canon would keep going on and on and on and... LOL, easy, every single ship within that ship would be canon. I was only kidding, btw.
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Post by bacwas on Dec 29, 2008 14:13:18 GMT -5
Well, really it was only the last couple of minutes that even confirmed any ships. With those moments just deleted, shipping could be up in the air. Well, I don't know about that. The rest of the series was not ambiguous with shipping and even the "previously on Avatar..." before the finale showcased the canon ships. Besides, I don't think this Zutara re-write is just changing a few minuets. Don't they have a new "mysterious villain" or something? Eh, I may seem contrary with this but, my bias aside, I liked the Curtain Closes on a Kiss thing. For one thing, they already dealt with friendships (the fact that Iroh, who lost his son at Ba Sing Se, now has this new life there, surrounded by a whole new extended family... pulled at like every heart-string I have.) and hadn't really dealt with Aang and Katara's romance yet. For another things, Aang and Katara's relationship is probably the important one in the series. Actually, I think ending it that way would be bad. The arguments on what's canon would keep going on and on and on and... I completely agree with the "Iroh and his new extended family " part. His life is very full now as is Zuko's and everyone's. They are very fortunate, all of them.
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Post by goten0040 on Dec 29, 2008 15:04:11 GMT -5
I don't really have a problem with the Kataang ending - it's just... they were so on-and-off right? I think they were trying to make it realistic, but I was hoping that the shipping worked in favor of it building up to that. It was like "no don't kiss me" "oh, let's make out". I don't know. Maybe that was just me. I know they wanted to have the relationship kind of bud over the entire span of the series, but they didn't seriously focus on it until like the last two minutes. It didn't aggravate me or anything, it just seemed out of place. It might HAVE worked better if they'd swapped the scenes - like Kohana said, but I don't know.
Maiko seemed to work a little better to me in the ending, actually. They were already established as a legitimate couple. Yes, they did break it off for Zuko to go join the Avatar, but their relationship was never really questioned as to what each of them really wanted. *shrug*
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Post by Ana on Dec 29, 2008 16:59:38 GMT -5
I just would have done a reverse because ultimately, the show was about teamwork and friendships, and not only about the Kataang relationship. Plus I can totally imagine Toph saying, "What took you two so long?" *smirk*Oh, well, I got that. I didn't word my rebuttal very well then. Sorry. In any case, I would have liked that ending too but the ending already there works for me. Avatar is about friendship but it's also about how powerful all kinds of love is. So, Aang and Katara expressing their want to be together works for that too. She so would. Sokka too probably.Yeah, those visuals were awfully pretty. The view of Bae Sing Sei as the camera went into the sky was beautiful as well. Also, I adored the music (which apparently the track team named "The Avatar's Love" <3 ). Heh, I got the joke. I was joking myself. Though the fandom... would react like that.
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Post by Azuna the Screaming Gopher on Dec 29, 2008 19:04:49 GMT -5
I don't really have a problem with the Kataang ending - it's just... they were so on-and-off right? I think they were trying to make it realistic, but I was hoping that the shipping worked in favor of it building up to that. It was like "no don't kiss me" "oh, let's make out". You have to remember that the ending takes place months after the war, so Katara had more time to focus on Aang and her relationship. (and that was also after Zuko's coronation, when she saw Aang for who he really was. XD)Yeah, Analesia, i got it too. And i guess its no surprise the fandom did react like that.
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Post by goten0040 on Dec 29, 2008 20:36:00 GMT -5
^Yeah, I guess you have a point. Still, I think it would've been a little better if they'd let the audience in one what exactly happened in those few months.
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Post by aquavi on Dec 29, 2008 22:56:56 GMT -5
Just jumping in but I refuse to believe that the ending was months after the coronation, despite what the book/creators say.
Zuko's hair didn't grow out further. >_>
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Post by goten0040 on Dec 30, 2008 1:12:02 GMT -5
This is also true since Zuko is obviously part Chia-pet.
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Post by asian malaysian on Dec 30, 2008 1:47:36 GMT -5
^^ lol!
The music build-up to the kiss was great. Wouldnt have ended the show any other way. "Journeys end in lovers meeting, Every wise man's son doth know."
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Post by nandireya on Dec 30, 2008 3:18:20 GMT -5
You know, they should have made one big ship: Kataangmaikosutokka. That way everyone is happy. I wouldn't have been...Sokka and Suki was the only ship I could stomach... NOT because I wanted to see anyone with anyone else, I simply didn't find them appealing.
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Post by aquavi on Dec 30, 2008 9:10:04 GMT -5
After 3-4 years, no matter how they sliced it, shippers wouldn't have been happy, even if all romantic couples were left ambiguous with no solid hints shippers would be fighting over who's more canon. And I feel the same way nandi. I don't like Sokka/Suki much, but they managed to be the only one that made complete sense without squicking me out in the end. If they made ATLA themed chia-pets... well, chia-pets might be able to make a come-back of AWSM.
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Post by nandireya on Dec 31, 2008 20:24:07 GMT -5
They'd have to be Zuko and Aang chia-pets...they're the only ones whose hair changed dramatically.
And there's no way they could have avoided the shippers wars at all...even if the show had absolutely no romance in it a certain percentage of the fandom would have created them anyway.
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