Pleading Eyes
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Post by Pleading Eyes on Sept 3, 2008 15:41:47 GMT -5
Completely separate from any particular political beliefs I may hold, I am thoroughly insulted that McCain has chosen Palin as his running mate. It's obvious political pandering to the bitter Hillary supporters.
It's insulting to think that women who believed in Clinton's ideals will now go vote for her ideological opposite JUST because she's her gynecological twin! (Samantha Bee: classic!)
Not to mention it undercuts McCain's whole "experience" argument. Yeah, 20 months governing ALASKA of all places definitely makes her more experienced than Obama (Sarcasm, btw). And, oh yeah, let's not forget she was FOR Alaska succeeding from the Union. Does that sound especially "patriotic" to you?
And of course that video of her saying she won't accept the VP nomination unless someone tells her "what a VP does." Hmm, let's see, besides acting as head of the Senate, they only sit around preparing to become THE MOST POWERFUL PERSON IN THE WORLD.
And not to wish the worst on anyone or anything, but considering McCain's medical records, the guy might just not make it through a whole term. Boy, won't it be comforting to know we have such an experienced, patriotic, and AWARE vice president lined up just in case anything goes wrong? (Again, sarcasm)
It was a very bad move on McCain's part. All he's doing is pandering to people who will be insulted by the gesture, and alienating his supporters.
Oh well, at least he'll still have the Evangelical vote.
Oh, no wait, Palin's teenage daughter is pregnant, isn't she? Well, there goes that group too...
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historyman12
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Post by historyman12 on Sept 3, 2008 16:41:24 GMT -5
As opposed to Obama who's been an Illinois senator for twenty months? Obama served in the Illinois Senate from 1997-2004. Even with campaigns, he still served more than 20 months. I beg your pardon, I meant he was Illinois' National Senator for twenty months. And Palin was a mayor in Alaska during that time I believe. Well, there are all kinds of opinions on Palin, so I'm not shocked that that's what you feel. POLITICAL PANDERING?! WOW I MEAN BECAUSE THAT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE EVER. As opposed to Biden, "the Ultimate Insider" juxtaposed against Obama's "new politics" and "change"? And besides, Palin has more executive experience than all the candidates put together. And you know, what being president is all about. Funny how what she did twenty years ago is relevant but yet, what Obama did then doesn't matter. Actually, the Vice President very rarely becomes President. The only two to have done so are George H.W. Bush, and Martin Van Buren. As opposed to Barack "Mr. Experience" Obama, who's you know, ACTUALLY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. And again Palin has executive experience, which Biden, McCain and Obama don't have.
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Pleading Eyes
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Post by Pleading Eyes on Sept 3, 2008 16:57:48 GMT -5
POLITICAL PANDERING?! WOW I MEAN BECAUSE THAT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE EVER. Just because it's been done before doesn't make it right. And the point wasn't even that it's political pandering, but that it's downright insulting to assume that women (especially women who supported Hillary who is Palin's polar opposite) will vote for Palin JUST because she's a woman. It only appeals to the stereotype that women take emotion over logic and reason, THAT'S what insults me. Not the political pandering. The assumption BEHIND the pandering. And geez, cool it with the caps. No need to shout at me... Yes, she obviously knows so much about being president. Except, wait, she didn't even know what a VP does. This does not inspire confidence. When did I say what Obama did doesn't matter? I didn't say a word about Obama. I didn't even say anything about McCain except that I felt this was a stupid pick on his part. I'm not here to promote either Obama or McCain nor to bash the other. I'm simply very unhappy with the choice of Palin. Yes, rarely. But as we've seen, McCain is not in the best of health. The main purpose of the VP is to take the president's place should anything unfortunate happen. And seeing as this is her main function, then we better expect her to be a proper candidate for president, as well as VP. All this becomes all the more important considering McCain's age and health record. Again, not wishing for the worst, but let's be realistic. People *do* die, especially when they're old and sick. Again, I didn't say ANYTHING about Obama, did I? Just like Palin's lack of experience doesn't justify Obama's, neither does Obama's lack of experience justify Palin's. And for the record, her "executive" experience doesn't bring me any comfort either, seeing as she's somehow managed to make a mess of things in less than TWO YEARS as governor of Alaska. Did you know she's currently under investigation for corruption? Yeah, very comforting. Again, historyman, I'm not arguing about Obama or McCain here, so don't get upset with ME over supporting/being against either candidate. I'm simply against Palin, which is all I've said here. I think she was a stupid pick for McCain to make, and I wish he would reconsider. But even if he were to pick a different VP, the damage has already been done...
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Grandi
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Post by Grandi on Sept 3, 2008 19:12:07 GMT -5
As Much as I like Obama, which is for a wide variety of reasons, I honestly think the McCain campaign's pick of Palin will bring up, quite heavily, the topic of experience. And I think it will be the perfect thing to help the Republicans attack the Obama campaign. I think that next week we will see a pretty amazing show on the side of Republicans.
Before now they were going to be severely outcampaigned by the Obama crew simply because Obama had found a point to win with, solidified it, and drove that message home. Now the dynamic has been all ****ed up, and at the perfect time. The Palin nomination stole the thunder of the previous night, and it has made it so that the talking points of the campaign have changed dramatically
I think that the pick of Palin will also help the Republicans bring forward their lightning-rod issues which are what win them campaigns: pro-life, gun control, and gay-marriage.
Please remember that elections are always fought not over the masses with a particular belief but over about 2-4% of the voters, very rarely more. When it comes down to it you must ask yourself if changing the dynamics of this campaign, and the sheer bravado of the Republican attack machine are enough to sway undecided voters in the way of the GOP. I think that it is a plausible chance. Especially since the republicans have the latter convention, especially since they are going to be able to direct the message in their favor next week and keep a discussion on their pet topics, and especially since they are hitting at core constituencies of swing-votes.
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o8jedi
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Post by o8jedi on Sept 4, 2008 11:23:26 GMT -5
I saw Sarah Palin speak last night. Yes, that's right, I forced myself to watch the RNC as it happened. I have to first say that it was very uncomfortable for me to do so. Rest assured it wasn't because "the truth hurts" or anything, it was just insulting to see people acting like they're in Middle School. It was clear that the Karl Rove playbook was still open and I have to say, "gobstopper! Give it a rest!" Seriously, it seems that every single Republican (or wannabe in the case of Joe Lieberman) had one thing on their mind: character-assassinate Barack Obama. Really?! They had nothing better to do than to play "getting to know you" with John McCain and belittle their opponent for the past two days? This is the exact same bulls*** we've seen for the past eight years for the Presidential campaign. To quote Joe Biden, "That's not change; that's more of the same." And that is one reason, of many, why I'm voting for Obama. At least when the Democrats refer to McCain/Palin, they have some class. If Sarah Palin was a Democrat, Karl Rove and his acolytes would have no scruples whatsoever in exploiting her weaknesses, however personal they may be. Obama said, "No, there are certain things that are ultimately private and irrelevant." If any one is to blame for all this Palin mumbo-jumbo, it's the media. For a lighter bit of entertainment that's relevant to the last statement, I'd like to submit this video from September 3rds The Daily Show: www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-cardAnyway, on to my thoughts about her speech: I was a bit disappointed. I, like many others who had first heard about her on Friday, wanted to know more about her and I felt that she didn't deliver in that area. At least there is one silver lining to be had. I found out that she meshes extremely well with the Republican ideology and tactics. She also proved herself to be able to dish out trash with the best of them. Biden won't be able to breeze through this like I initially thought when I first heard of her (right after "Who the hell is Sarah Palin?!") All-in-all, she strikes me as, to use the cliche, more of the same.
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Post by asian malaysian on Sept 5, 2008 22:36:40 GMT -5
^^Palin also didnt quite tell the truth about her record of asking for federal ear marks. She also left out how she was initially for that "bridge to nowhere". I didnt see trumpeting how she sold the state's plane on e-bay shows executive decision making. And making out that sister Heather and hubby's service station is going to be taxed more under Obama's plan- what are they servicing- a US Destroyer? Clearly whoever wrote her speech is convinced that no one actually listens to the other side for a fact check. To be fair to her, I dont think VP nominee acceptance speeches are supposed to be heavy on substance. You usually leave that to the presidential nominee's speech so Im much more interested to hear what McCain has to say about his plans for America (missed it because of time difference so I will have to look for the transcript). The Robert Duvall narrations was a nice touch for the convention. Bet they wish Spielberg was pro Republican; some "Saving Private Ryan" clips would have rounded it off nicely.
Btw, anyone read about that affair she supposed to have had? If more of that crops up, it could really derail her appeal in the GOP.
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The Blue Chibi
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Post by The Blue Chibi on Sept 10, 2008 12:02:53 GMT -5
Interesting article from The Guardian UK, about Obama and the sentiment abroad: www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/10/uselections2008.barackobamaAlso, regarding experience, it actually holds up that our better-regarded presidents have had less previous political experience, whereas those who have tended to be vilified by historians have more political experience. Look it up.
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o8jedi
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Post by o8jedi on Sept 10, 2008 15:20:13 GMT -5
+1 googolplex on the article. and? ANYTHING to add? EDIT: On that matter, no. But in regards to the date today and what has become to the Republicans, I'd like to include this remark made by MSNBC reporter Keith Olbermann on yesterday's Countdown with Keith Olbermann. It basically sums up my feelings about the date and how I feel that the Republican Party, collectively, has no sense of decency whatsoever. If you want to hear Olbermann say it himself, here's the YouTube of it: And, like Olbermann, to quote journalist par excellence Edward R. Murrow, "Good night, and good luck."
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Post by Horyo on Sept 13, 2008 16:30:56 GMT -5
Um, I haven't noticed much of it, but I'd like to remind everyone to keep the debate professional and mature. We don't want another fight breaking out D:
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Post by Annapurna1 on Sept 14, 2008 3:10:32 GMT -5
its no joke ..sarah palin is the devil...im not a religious person..but theres simply no other way to explain the things that b**** is doing besides being the work of a devil...theres warning signs all over her but nobody can see them...and hillary would have been laughed out of the house if she had made an @$$ out of herself on charlie gibson like sarah palin did.. so the rules are very obviously different for the b**** than they are for hillary.. by virtue of the former being satan..beezelbub..and azathoth rolled into one... cthulhu may not be on the ballot in your state..but sarah palin is hardly the lesser evil... EDIT ..and BTW..shes an insult to pit bulls everywhere too...
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Post by username on Sept 14, 2008 14:18:18 GMT -5
its no joke ..sarah palin is the devil...im not a religious person..but theres simply no other way to explain the things that b**** is doing besides being the work of a devil...theres warning signs all over her but nobody can see them...and hillary would have been laughed out of the house if she had made an @$$ out of herself on charlie gibson like sarah palin did.. so the rules are very obviously different for the b**** than they are for hillary.. by virtue of the former being satan..beezelbub..and azathoth rolled into one... cthulhu may not be on the ballot in your state..but sarah palin is hardly the lesser evil... How is it that you actually typed that out and thought, "You know what would be a good idea? Posting this in a serious thread!" You make me hurt.
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o8jedi
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Post by o8jedi on Sept 14, 2008 14:21:02 GMT -5
its no joke ..sarah palin is the devil... So much for civility. Anywho, I recommend that you all look at the complete ABC News interview of Sarah Palin conducted by Charles Gibson. abcnews.go.com/It should be enlightening to people on both sides.
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Post by username on Oct 7, 2008 6:58:35 GMT -5
That's terrific.
I feel bad for all you people who support conservative ideals regarding the war and the economy, because while conservatism may be based upon perfectly legitimate interpretations of the constitution, your party was hijacked by the most disgusting kind of people imaginable.
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Post by Gran Gran on Oct 7, 2008 7:12:44 GMT -5
Ah, just why I don't like political discussion.....
Anapurna...you know so much better than to put garbage like this into CT!
Kaneda....you know that all members are not created equal. Unfortunaltely this is the mindset that keeps politics from evolving. With 2 parties it's always an 'us vs them' situation....
And as such, campaigning is pretty much all about securing the swing votes and to motivate the base to actually vote....
But since the politics is more of the same....people have grown tired and don't participate anymore.
Call to all of legal age, do go out and vote!
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historyman12
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Post by historyman12 on Oct 7, 2008 18:37:52 GMT -5
That's terrific. I feel bad for all you people who support conservative ideals regarding the war and the economy, because while conservatism may be based upon perfectly legitimate interpretations of the constitution, your party was hijacked by the most disgusting kind of people imaginable. Are you referring to people like Bush, Cheney etc. or average Republican people like me? And further, I really think it's flat out stupid to call any one group of politicians bad. I mean seriously, they're politicians, it's pratically their Goddarn purpose to lie.
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