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Post by kibitzertriplet on May 6, 2008 22:46:52 GMT -5
Okay, so this is technically part of the Season 3 Trailer discussion, but it was too epic to put there, so I decided to start a new thread. Remember this guy? Well, I think I know who he is. I was rewatching the begining of Season 3 and I noticed a few things. Before I launch into my theory too much, I wanted to add that it is speculated that The Southern Raiders takes place in or around Ember Island, am I right? In the first episode of the third Book, The Awakening, the Gaang is on a stolen Fire Nation ship. There is a moment where an enemy ship comes up. Conversation ensues between Bato, Hakota, and the ship's captain. They mention Admiral Chan and how he is vacationing on Ember Island. Okay, cool right? Nothing too noteworthy there. In The Beach, Zuko and their posse go to Ember Island. They are invited to a party by a guy named Chan. This guy here: who says that his dad is an Admiral. Now, I took the picture of the guy laying down and brightened it, then placed a picture of the other Chan beside of it and this is what I got: Look at the similarities in hairstyles and more to the point, the similarities in jawlines. They both have very broad jaws. Though the man in the picture with Katara looks old, I think that he could be this guy's father. He could certainly be an Admiral. He is wearing military clothing after all. I think that Admiral Chan led the attack on the Southern Water Tribe. Why else would they mention him so much? If you remember waaay back, when Zhao is promoted, I believe it is Admiral Chan that promotes him. I think that he is subtly put in for a reason. You as fans know that Bryke delights in sending us tiny spoilers in the form of "useless" information. What do you guys think? Hit or miss?? **Oh, and as a side note, I wanted to say that in the Avatar world, there are very rarely actual "fillers". Every filler I see has at least one contribution to the main storyline. This is no exception. While it's obvious that Ember Island is going to appear again, (With an episode name like "The Ember Island Players", it is easy to guess) I do think that Zuko's posse went there for a reason...***
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Post by Zenjamin on May 6, 2008 23:32:33 GMT -5
o, so its "Zuko's posse" now, is it? LOL
anyways, excellent theory. Karma for this.
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Post by yiceman on May 7, 2008 0:41:54 GMT -5
Maybe, but the guy's in plain clothes, nor admiral armor Either he retired when his beach house burned down, is on vacation, or this is someone else.
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Post by nymphadora on May 7, 2008 5:32:39 GMT -5
Good theory. *karma* I don't want the guy in this scene to be someone random that we've never heard of. So it would have to be someone that we have heard of, but never seen and Chan is perfect! It's a very well thought out theory.
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Post by admirality on May 7, 2008 8:46:28 GMT -5
Chan didn't promote Zhao, Zhao was promoted by Ozai both times.... Ozai promoted him from Captain to Commander after he defeated an Earth kingdom ship "After a decisive victory against an Earth Kingdom vessel, the Fire Lord rewarded Zhao by promoting him to Commander of the Fire Navy fleet." www.nick.com/shows/avatar/index.jhtml and Ozai then promoted Zhao in 113 I aint seen that firts picture b4 where is it from? hmmmm dat guy does look like Chan but I dunno I don't know enough about the nxt episode to make a udgement but it is certainly a possiblility... I'm excited I wanna find out if ur right now
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Post by kibitzertriplet on May 7, 2008 9:56:23 GMT -5
I'd actually have to disagree with this. The man's jaw line...yeah...there ARE similarities. But you can see that the man has a beard, whereas Chan does not. Sure he might've been kicked out, but that doesn't mean he can't bring along a few shaving tools right? Also, at the same time, he's a young adolescent, and at the time, it's not likely an ASIAN can grow a beard during this time. So, no. I don't think it's Chad. The man has a beard flowing up to the tip of hair. He has a different face that emanates an old person. So...yeah. Sorry, but I'm not willing to believe it yet. I need a little more evidence. Not that Chan. My theory was that the Chan in the picture with Katara is "The Beach" Chan's father. The fact that they mention an Admiral Chan but never show him could be a prelude to a bigger part later.
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Post by kibitzertriplet on May 7, 2008 10:01:13 GMT -5
Chan didn't promote Zhao, Zhao was promoted by Ozai both times.... Ozai promoted him from Captain to Commander after he defeated an Earth kingdom ship "After a decisive victory against an Earth Kingdom vessel, the Fire Lord rewarded Zhao by promoting him to Commander of the Fire Navy fleet." www.nick.com/shows/avatar/index.jhtml and Ozai then promoted Zhao in 113 I aint seen that firts picture b4 where is it from? hmmmm dat guy does look like Chan but I dunno I don't know enough about the nxt episode to make a udgement but it is certainly a possiblility... I'm excited I wanna find out if ur right now You're right. Zhao was promoted by Ozai. I just rewatched "The Blue Spirit". The first picture is from The Season 3 finale trailer. If you haven't seen it yet, then here's the link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmKhbVBezdg
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Post by noblebender on May 7, 2008 14:00:35 GMT -5
I must say...that is very interesting.
I had my own theory about a man that could possibly be the man that Katara and Zuko hunted down, he was from the Fire Nation, however I cannot find the picture...He was of proper age also. I'll have to dig that up.
Karma for this theory! It is very possible. I like the points you brought up about Chan's father. He's in the military, so it's possible he led the attack on the Southern Water Tribe, and I think it could be him. Good eyes.
And as for the "beard"...it could be sideburns. And for his hair, it looks a bit messy, so it could have been messed up by the rain or a fight or whatnot.
That is a wonderful theory. Kudos, kibitzertriplet for it.
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Post by admirality on May 7, 2008 14:05:33 GMT -5
Chan didn't promote Zhao, Zhao was promoted by Ozai both times.... Ozai promoted him from Captain to Commander after he defeated an Earth kingdom ship "After a decisive victory against an Earth Kingdom vessel, the Fire Lord rewarded Zhao by promoting him to Commander of the Fire Navy fleet." www.nick.com/shows/avatar/index.jhtml and Ozai then promoted Zhao in 113 I aint seen that firts picture b4 where is it from? hmmmm dat guy does look like Chan but I dunno I don't know enough about the nxt episode to make a udgement but it is certainly a possiblility... I'm excited I wanna find out if ur right now You're right. Zhao was promoted by Ozai. I just rewatched "The Blue Spirit". The first picture is from The Season 3 finale trailer. If you haven't seen it yet, then here's the link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmKhbVBezdg After rewatching OOOO.... I never noticed him there before that just proves my theory that I am an unobservant nincompoop (I love dat word) I guess my Ozai's r only tuned to notice one thing in trailer That man appears to be perfectaly at ease in that shot..... If he is a FN loyal then u wud expect him to attack or do soming about Katara and Zuko.... So if it is Ad Chan then he must be a traitor ... It looks in the scene as though he is instructing Katara or that he woke up under the tree when she waterbended but u wud think that Katara wud hav more sense to water bend in front of a FN person and give her identity away..... I am perplexed now and want to know more
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Post by noblebender on May 7, 2008 14:12:42 GMT -5
It looks in the scene as though he is instructing Katara or that he woke up under the tree when she waterbended Lmbo! That's hilarious, him waking up from under a tree. That must have been some party...I can just see it. FN Man: *Wakes up* Whoa--What? What the heck are you doing? Katara: I'm avenging my mother! You killed her! You evil man! FN Man: Wow, that must have been some party... Zuko: Oh my gosh...You're that kid's father! From the party at the beach! FN Man: Chan was there too? Why can't I remember...? Katara: *Stops rain* FN Man: That's a neat trick there, young lady...Were you at the party too?
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Post by tg on May 7, 2008 18:18:32 GMT -5
^ Hahah.. The guy really had too much! ^O^ So, no wonder he was STUCK in limbo. Maybe, he was really stuck in time? Interesting theory, kibit, but who knows. He could end up being a new character. There's still too many possibilities to that guy's identity. I still think Katara just sent the guy to the ground since he didn't put up much of a fight. If he was Chan's father, I'd think he would definitely put up a fight in front of her.
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Post by conspiracytheorist on May 7, 2008 21:58:23 GMT -5
I was rewatching the begining of Season 3 and I noticed a few things. Before I launch into my theory too much, I wanted to add that it is speculated that The Southern Raiders takes place in or around Ember Island, am I right? TSR might take place in the Fire Nation somewhere, yes. The problem here is that we don't know from which episode that rainbending clip comes. There's a lot of speculation that it's from TSR because of Zuko/Katara parallel mommy stories, "everybody needs a bonding episode with Zuko," etc, and I think that there's a decent chance that the clip you're referring to comes from The Southern Raiders, but that's only a guess.
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Post by kibitzertriplet on May 7, 2008 22:18:43 GMT -5
Interesting theory, kibit, but who knows. He could end up being a new character. There's still too many possibilities to that guy's identity. I still think Katara just sent the guy to the ground since he didn't put up much of a fight. If he was Chan's father, I'd think he would definitely put up a fight in front of her. I don't know that he would put up a fight. Look at Iroh, as an example. He obviously did some bad things in the past but now he is atoning for them in small ways. It's almost like he's too tired to fight. I think that this Admiral Chan guy, if indeed it is him, would be like that. He is ready to rectify his mistakes. Who knows, maybe he fell to the ground because he was shocked to see the living replica of a woman he killed so long ago. It's obvious by the (very) select few shots we have of Katara's mother that they look a lot alike.
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Post by tg on May 7, 2008 23:04:28 GMT -5
^ I agree on the part that the old man is trying to rectify his own mistakes/going through redemption on his own. All I doubt is the theory of the guy being Chan. ^__^ When I said "guy's identity", I didn't mean his background. I even typed out a long theory of what TSR could be like that involved the SR guy being sorry for bringing destruction to the Southern WT.
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Post by dragonflly on May 8, 2008 9:27:30 GMT -5
kibitzertriplet: I actually think that is a good theory. The two guys do look alike, so it's possible father/son thing there.
But we don't really have enough to go on. I'm not sure that the scene in question happens on Ember Island, it could take place on a very isolated part of the FN, not necessarily on that island. M&B do love to give us just enough to make us foam, but in this case, there's just not enough for me. But like I said, it is a good theory, now let's see how close you are!
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