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Post by wiiboy on Mar 27, 2008 2:56:40 GMT -5
According to a Fox News article, an eleven year old girl died because her parents choses to pray instead of getting Medical help. You could find this article here.
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Post by attonbitus on Mar 27, 2008 8:16:42 GMT -5
Not really that surprising. Some very religious communities will not allow outside medical intervention even if it mean the death of one of their congregation.
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Post by o8jedi on Mar 27, 2008 10:22:44 GMT -5
I don't think it's mentioned in the article, but judging on what was going on, I'm led to believe that the family were members of the Church of Christ, Scientist (commonly known as Christian Science). One of their tenents are, as mentioned above, relying on the power of prayer to cure all ills. The idea is similar to those who were apposed to the development of the lightning rod 200 years ago: Any man-made or man-developed item or concept should not circumvent the Will of God. They're not entirely apposed to medicine, but it's considered to be a last ditch effort. It's a very unfortunate happening.
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Post by Hana on Mar 27, 2008 11:21:25 GMT -5
The saddest part was that this was a perfectly treatable case of diabetes. I am appalled and shocked at how this is being taken. The parents do not have any religious association with any known church and their activity is suspect at best.
I hope they get the proper punishment for this.
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Post by CountessRachel on Mar 27, 2008 11:37:56 GMT -5
It's also illegal to allow a child to die due to refusal of medical attention based on religious views according to my US Government teacher and the parents can be held fully responsible. I'm lookin up the facts behind it tho and will post it asap.
I dunno, has it ever occurred to some religious people that maybe some medical breakthroughs of man might have been the "Will of God." If The Holy Bible was supposedly written by man through God's influence, then why not kidney dialysis or insulin shots?
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Post by Solvabibble on Mar 27, 2008 12:33:56 GMT -5
*sighs* It's radicalists like these who give other Christians (including myself) a bad name. I have yet to find a passage in the Bible that says not to use medical help. If you're sick or in need of some type of medicine, you go to the doctor. In addition, you pray for the speedy recovery of the sick person. Simply praying for someone to get better does not always guaruntee that they will. The girl's parents completely missed the point of praying for their daughter to get well because they did nothing to try to help her themselves.
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Post by girlunderglass on Mar 27, 2008 12:34:45 GMT -5
I read this story in my local paper. She was such a beautiful young lady too... and she should have had her whole life ahead of her, considering how many millions of people walk the planet with Diabetes and live a normal life.
As a mother, I can not imagine choosing religion- (which let's face it- it's a belief)- over my own flesh and blood whom I love more than anything in this world. How any person could allow this and call themselves a parent is beyond me.
I hope their remaining children are taken away and given a better life and the so called parents are punished to the fullest extent of the law.
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Post by Gran Gran on Mar 27, 2008 13:20:29 GMT -5
I am at a loss for words....
I would like to hear some arguments for this course of action - rather the lack there off....
But then again....maybe not....it would only fuel my resentments I am harboring towards this outlook on 'life' at the moment....
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Mar 27, 2008 14:17:01 GMT -5
I don't think it's mentioned in the article, but judging on what was going on, I'm led to believe that the family were members of the Church of Christ, Scientist (commonly known as Christian Science). One of their tenents are, as mentioned above, relying on the power of prayer to cure all ills. The idea is similar to those who were apposed to the development of the lightning rod 200 years ago: Any man-made or man-developed item or concept should not circumvent the Will of God. They're not entirely apposed to medicine, but it's considered to be a last ditch effort. It's a very unfortunate happening. They are. My friend is from the same town as she is, and they are Christian Scientists. It's harsh, but one of their beliefs. >.> @rachel: Oh? I'll go look that up. That's very interesting.
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Post by Atmos on Mar 27, 2008 14:25:22 GMT -5
dang, that's a real shame for the girl.
As o8 mentioned, it does sound familiar with "Christian Science" (not to be confused with Creation Science, a psuedoscience of Creationism)
He's a paragraph from wiki:
Yeah...well as far as I'm know (assuming the parents share the ideology of Christian Science or something similar) bacteria, viruses, cancer, and disorders, such as diabetes, don't spontaneously materialize and infect our bodies because we obtain a mental state of fear or doubt or any kind.
There are, however, statistics claiming that people who are generally more mentally and psychologically optimistic tend to live longer, healthier lives and recover from illnesses better/faster. Of course I doubt these statistics cover any circumstances as extreme as completely denying any form of medical treatment.
This reminds me of a little story my Youth Minister once told me (and I kind of like this story).
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Once there was an old lady who lived alone in her house. It was raining that day and every broadcasting system announced a flood warning and that her area was to be evacuated.
A car drove by her house a young woman offered to drive the old lady to safety. The old lady responded, "No thank you. I have faith in God, he will protect me."
The roads were starting to flood so the woman drove off. Eventually the flood came and the water level was a story high. A man in a boat came by and saw the old lady at her second story window. He offered her a ride to safety. "The old lady responded, "No thank you. I have faith in God, he will protect me."
And as the rapids became worse, the man took off. The water level continued to rise, forcing the lady to climb up her roof. Eventually a helicopter flew by and spotted the old lady. They hovered over to her and threw down a rope ladder. A man shouted for her to climb up but the old lady responded, "No thank you. I have faith in God, he will protect me."
The winds became very strong and the helicopter was forced to fly off.
And so, the water level continued to rise. The currents washed over the roof, capturing the old lady into the fearsome rapids took her under. So then the old lady drowned.
So the old lady gets to heaven and walks up to God. She asks God, "So, why didn't you come to rescue me, God?"
God responded, "Well, I tried to rescue you three times but you turned down every offer."
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Moral to the story, (from my viewpoint) God may work in mysterious ways, but he often works in "not-so-mysterious" ways.
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Post by Chaobunny on Mar 27, 2008 16:22:25 GMT -5
That's such a sad story. That girl was so young, and she could have lived if she had gotten treatment.
People can be religious, but I think being religious to that extent is a crime. Nobody should be allowed to die for a religious belief against the use of medicine, no matter how strong it is. It's a shame that the poor girl wasn't taken away from her parents and given to people who would care for her properly. Then, she might have had a chance at life.
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Post by beautyfr.pain on Mar 27, 2008 19:20:40 GMT -5
It's also illegal to allow a child to die due to refusal of medical attention based on religious views according to my US Government teacher and the parents can be held fully responsible. My former TX history teacher told me the same thing. (because TX is the only state with it's own history class...-_________-") He gave an example of this radical fundamental baptist group in Kentucky (or some southern state) who would play among poisonous snakes on sundays because of these Bible verses: And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well." [Mark 16:17-18] They believed that God would protect them because they took the verse quite literally. If they got bit, I guess that would be "lack of faith" or something. According to Constitution, they're allowed to do these because of religious freedom even if it endangers them, but once they start bring their children along, the government interfered because it was now endangering a minor. I do hope her siblings don't meet the same fate because of their extreme parents and that she rests in peace
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Post by Gran Gran on Mar 27, 2008 19:45:52 GMT -5
LOL, the snake handlers are not only at home in Kentucky... (and there are more states with their own history class...though mostly at the Elementary level....)
it is one thing to grab a snake (and drink strichnine, as it is) and let something die a drawn out death...
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Post by Horyo on Mar 27, 2008 22:51:02 GMT -5
"The mother believes the girl could still be resurrected, the police chief said."
Isn't necromancy a crime against God?
"The girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, attributed the death to "apparently they didn't have enough faith," the police chief said."
The sad thing here is that they haven't learned a thing; rather than blaming it on lack of faith, they should be blaming it on their own ignorance that these situations can be handled properly, and as such would have prevented a disaster. And since they have learned nothing, the other two kids aren't quite safe.
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Post by harmonyhorsegrl on Mar 27, 2008 22:52:52 GMT -5
'Tis good they prayed, but they should've seeked medical help too. JUST praying is always hpow God works.
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