girlunderglass
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Post by girlunderglass on Mar 28, 2008 20:17:29 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure regular testing, proper diet and insulin (if needed) is what helps diabetes. The fact this poor girls parents only prayed and did nothing more for her is why the article has been written- the 11 year old girl died.
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Post by bagpipe turtle on Mar 28, 2008 20:20:55 GMT -5
I'm curious whether this girl agreed with her parents. You know, whether she thought prayer was going to make her well or if she asked for help and her parents refused it.
It's tragic either way, someone so young dying from something treatable... but I can't help but be curious.
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Post by lunar-tsunami on Mar 31, 2008 17:28:20 GMT -5
I think too that it sounds like they grossly underestimated how sick the girl was. They did call the ambulance but at that point it was too late. It feels like neglect to me, or lazy parenting. No one sits on the ground and prays for a pizza to drop from the sky because they are hungry. In the same token, you should try and help your child and not just sit around and pray for medicine to appear in your kitchen cabinet. As to not step on any religious toes, I will say that I don't think God or whoever you believe in wants people to just sit on their laurels. That pretty much defeats the purpose of living.
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Post by spirityue on Apr 1, 2008 10:45:43 GMT -5
Excellent point Bagpipe! I was kinda curious about that as well. Although, even if she did agree with her parents methods, she wasn't really old enough to have been able to make an informed decision anyway. Such a shame! While I do support freedom of religion, I think a case like this is just carrying it way to far! I honestly hope that the parents will suffer some type of repercussions for their selfish and disgusting act! (IMO)
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Post by Horyo on Apr 2, 2008 21:09:45 GMT -5
Come to think of it, although the Govt cannot infringe upon Religious rights/beliefs of others, my Civics book mentioned that government can override religious practices if it were to save someone's life for the greater good. And it explicitly mentioned denying a child to medical help.
Unfortunately, they were not aware of this as the parents hid it.
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Post by Solvabibble on Apr 3, 2008 19:43:22 GMT -5
I think too that it sounds like they grossly underestimated how sick the girl was. They did call the ambulance but at that point it was too late. It feels like neglect to me, or lazy parenting. No one sits on the ground and prays for a pizza to drop from the sky because they are hungry. In the same token, you should try and help your child and not just sit around and pray for medicine to appear in your kitchen cabinet. As to not step on any religious toes, I will say that I don't think God or whoever you believe in wants people to just sit on their laurels. That pretty much defeats the purpose of living. No, you're absolutely right. You're not supposed to just sit around and wait for a solution to come along if there's something you could be doing. If you want help, you've got to help yourself first.
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Post by kaibasgirl on Apr 3, 2008 23:27:06 GMT -5
this is so terrible. those parents were fools if they thought a miracle was going to happen without any effort on their part.
and her daughter can be resurrected? the mother's been watching way too many sci-fi movies, that's all I can say.
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Post by mikael on Apr 4, 2008 17:52:38 GMT -5
And thus the stupidity -and danger- of religion is revealed.
If a religion can convince you to have your child die, what else can it do?
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Post by Horyo on Apr 4, 2008 21:35:47 GMT -5
^Probably slaughter anyone else who isn't in it. I believe the Crusades were religious wars.
Religion can be easily used to the advantage of those on top.
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Post by Atmos on Apr 4, 2008 21:51:17 GMT -5
Naww, lets not give religion all the glory. You got to give non-religious communist countries and the atom-bomb credit for doing a quick catch up on the fatalities. And let's not talk about the corruption by money and politics in general. We humans do a pretty good job making stupid with just about any social/cultural aspect aspect.
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Post by mentalmishaps on Apr 6, 2008 19:23:21 GMT -5
To be fully honest, I want to find this girl's parents, shoot one of them in the foot, and then tell the other to pray for them to get better. Sorry, maybe a little too harsh for some people. I personally cannot believe that the other children are being allowed to stay with their parents.
Even if the little girl told her parents that she wanted to pray insetad of see a doctor, the parents should be prosecuted. Children are NOT mature enough to make all of their own decisions (you know, hence the whole eighteen years of parenting.)
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Post by david on Apr 11, 2008 14:20:04 GMT -5
No one sits on the ground and prays for a pizza to drop from the sky because they are hungry. ahaha, I've never seen it that way, but it's true. gawd, that would be funny. imagine the headlines on the news for that one ehem... anyway... I guess the point everyone agrees is "medicine + prayer" not just prayer.
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Post by historyman12 on Apr 13, 2008 9:22:21 GMT -5
^Probably slaughter anyone else who isn't in it. I believe the Crusades were religious wars. Religion can be easily used to the advantage of those on top. The Crusades were declared for religious reasons, but many of those fighting did it for, land, glory, money, and power. Few, if any, knights and kings fought for the love of God. If it had been only for religion, it would have been a couple hundred downtrodden peasants fighting with clubs and pitchforks. @cyanide: You're right! I mean let's forget about the good that was done in the name of religion! Why does that matter! Yes, so what if the vast majority of religious people don't think like that, and, in addition do good works, let's focus on the fundamentalist wackos that are actually frowned upon by religious people! So what if they make up 1% of religious population! Oh, and, I like the spin on all of this: "Dies from prayer" she died from lack of medical treatment. I've prayed about every day of my life. and I'm not dead yet. (I'm getting better! No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a minute.) A more accurate title would be "Girl Dies due to lack of treatment because her parents forbade it."
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Post by david on Apr 13, 2008 11:39:35 GMT -5
Oh, and, I like the spin on all of this: "Dies from prayer" she died from lack of medical treatment. I've prayed about every day of my life. and I'm not dead yet. (I'm getting better! No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a minute.) A more accurate title would be "Girl Dies due to lack of treatment because her parents forbade it." well, what do you expect from the media? you know they like to create titles that aren't accurate, but create attention towards the article.
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Post by spiritmage234 on Apr 13, 2008 14:21:21 GMT -5
These type of people drive me f***ing crazy. Not that faith and prayer is a bad thing, its just a dumb thing in situations such as this. Sorry if this offends people, but people who say things like, "I prayed for an A on my chem test and I passed! Thank the good lord!" are really in need for a taste of reality. If prayer really worked in frivilous cases such as the one stated above, then the 90 percent of kids who prayed for an A (but didn't get one) would have gotten an A too, most of the world wouldn't be starving, people wouldn't be acting a fool in war torn lands, etc. etc.
Admit it. You got an A because you studied, not because of prayer. You just don't want to admit to yourself that you gave up an evening of getting wasted with your dead beat friends to study for a test that would determine your success or failure in completion of the 12th grade.
Similar case with this. Face it: medical attention overweighs prayer in the long run. And I'm not trying to disprove or prove the existance of a god or miracles or whatever. That's a different topic to discuss. Just in this case, you have to deal with reality, that prayer doesn't cure everything. Perhaps the parents had some "logical" explanation. Perhaps they were scared that medical attention somehow disproved the existance of their god, or maybe they just didn't have the money for medical attention (though I don't see this really likely since according the report, they didn't belong to a congregation, so for all we know, they could be part of some, I dunno, *cough!*devilworshippingcult!*cough!*).
But I really doubt that the girl had any logical say in it. The girl was eleven. From the day of your birth till about the time you hit puberty, you believe in anything your parents tell you that has to do with the cosmos, and you go along with their strict (or in some cases lax) code of religious conduct of praying at certains times of the day, going to worship, etc. When you hit puberty, or whenever you get into high school, you are at a crossroads of your own personal idealology, and then the thought finally hits you: "Hey, is it possible that there IS no God, and that each every prayer that I say in the morning, before meals and right before I go to sleep is gone unheard?" Yeah, this turning point happened to me when I hit puberty at fourteen, so now I am rather open minded to the possibilities that 1) my religion may be the right one 2) my religion might not be the right one 3) whatever religion I follow will lead me to nowhere cuz any prayer I say will go unheard because all religions are wrong and 4) maybe all religions are right. I dunno. The possibilities are endless. Which is why I go by the philosophy of "ignorance is bliss" at times. So until you are able to decide whether if religion is right for you, you have to depend on your rents.
But back on TOPIC...
so yeah. It really sucked that a girl had to die because her parents thought it best to prayer instead of sending her to a hospital. But what are ya gonna do? People will always blasphemize and exploit their religious views, and not that the parents were doing that, its just that they put too much faith in this...
Maybe medical advancement is the answer to their prayer. I mean, people in the past have dropped like flies to tuberculosis and crap, and their families and friends prayed and they still died, and now, all you have to do is get a shot, and it's gone. Wouldn't that be concidered a "miracle" of some sorts to 19th century speculations?
(Wouldn't hurt to use logic once in awhile.)
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