HisElement
FN Katara
Avatar of the Maiko Tribe
Sotoph: OTP.
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Post by HisElement on Jun 12, 2006 23:17:58 GMT -5
Zuao sounds funny... but IrohxZuko? Incest. Ew.
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gambitia
Fiery Ozai
millions have trembled before my pink armor!
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Post by gambitia on Jun 12, 2006 23:21:08 GMT -5
Now I found some ZhaoxSokka...that's not a pairing I've seen before.
Ah, the things you can find in the pits of ff.net.
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Post by Amira on Jun 12, 2006 23:22:10 GMT -5
Now I found some ZhaoxSokka...that's not a pairing I've seen before. Ah, the things you can find in the pits of ff.net. Select "Ratings-All" and the summaries alone will scar you.
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gambitia
Fiery Ozai
millions have trembled before my pink armor!
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Post by gambitia on Jun 12, 2006 23:24:01 GMT -5
Oh, I'm getting all ratings right now.
I'm noticing a correlation with fics about Zhaoxanother guy being rated M.
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Post by concreteangel on Jun 13, 2006 6:54:31 GMT -5
Lol. Weirdo's on ff.net. I'm gonna go read the summaries, though.
I use the character filter. It makes it easier to find the ones I want. *cough*Kataang*cough*
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Yang Fishy
Wolf Hakoda
Firebending General of the Zutarian Army
all that rises must fall, all that is born must die, all that is gathered will be scattered
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Post by Yang Fishy on Jun 15, 2006 14:26:19 GMT -5
I think if Zutara is going to happen they have about ten episode left to start it off. If Zutara is going to be so well develop it should have already happen the series is half over. Well if that's how every relationship/future friendship should happen then there might not be any at all in the end. Friendship is something that is easily made, relationships on the other hand aren't. Katara, Sokka, and Aang made easy friends from the start and as the series progressed they became best friends. Once Zuko has gotten over his inner turmoil he can then make friends and alliances after gaining people's trust. Naturally, trust takes a very long time to build and the creators are really going at a steady pace since technically there are months left in order for summer to set in and the series to finally end. We know that Zuko and Katara were considered rivals/enemies throughout season 1. Now this season there technically considered alliances since they are now sharing a common enemy. So season three is all up for grabs on what standards Zuko could be with Aang and Katara. .... ... . Not to sound offensive but although the idea of prince/peasant(opposites attract) or friends...>lovers may be cliche and predicted by older fans, each creator/head writer adds their own creativity in order to make the couple solely unique, so I don't understand how some members claim they have the Zutara romance figured out already. -Oh and about the whole Fanfictions discussion...I've stopped reading most of them. Too much fictions is bad for the mind ><!
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Post by almighty on Jun 15, 2006 14:56:02 GMT -5
Not to sound offensive but although the idea of prince/peasant(opposites attract) or friends...>lovers may be cliche and predicted by older fans, each creator/head writer adds their own creativity in order to make the couple solely unique, so I don't understand how some members claim they have the Zutara romance figured out already. Same can be said for Kataang. People keep saying how obvious it is, but isn't what your saying hypocritical in the sense that people shouldn't know how the Zutara romance is going to come out, but Kataang is blatantly obvious?
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Post by Confettie on Jun 15, 2006 15:03:05 GMT -5
Oh i agree all the horrible fanfictions! I read a horrible one about Soko... I stop before it could off permanently destroy my view of the ship.
Anyways the question is can Zuko get over his inner turmoil he has so many that you can't pin point one as the "big one". Also another huge problem I see is that Zuko has to get over judging people by their titles. He still hasn't gotten over that yet. Remember in the Zuko alone episode he still address himself as the son of Ozai heir to the thrown. If he still see himself as that, then he still see Sokka and Katara as peasants. Here a total random thought -> You know Ozai would approve of the Toko relationship because Tolph is from one of the most wealthiest earth kingdom families.
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Gotterdammerung
Casual Zuko
sorry. i'm fresh out of the ability to care.
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Post by Gotterdammerung on Jun 15, 2006 15:06:36 GMT -5
Actually, considering the Fire Nation's imperialist bent, I'd be surprised if Ozai approved of anyone who wasn't Fire Nation. And traditionally, in the eyes of the highborn, being rich is in no way equivalent to actually being noble/royal.
Of course, I don't imagine what Ozai would approve of being terribly relevant when and if Zuko chooses a mate.
Also, I think that if you're waiting for Zuko to stop thinking of himself as Prince Zuko, heir to the throne, you're going to be waiting forever. That's who he is. Zuko Alone was all about him reconciling himself with his identity. It's very clearly communicated by the fact that most important thing his mother ever told him was never to forget who he is. I think that one thing that you can count on with regard to Zuko is that he will never give up on that part of himself. He's not him without it.
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Post by Confettie on Jun 15, 2006 15:11:26 GMT -5
honestly though you should hope that ozai approval is important for Zuko because that completely helps your ship. Out of all the girls Ozai would probably only approve of Mai because she's a noblewomen, from a family that supports Ozai, friends with Azula his favorite child, and so on.
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Gotterdammerung
Casual Zuko
sorry. i'm fresh out of the ability to care.
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Post by Gotterdammerung on Jun 15, 2006 15:22:00 GMT -5
While it's obvious that of all the girls in the Avatar world Mai is probably the one Ozai would most approve of...I'm not going to go around and pretend that Ozai's opinion on the subject is going to matter come series end. That's just silly.
I don't need to back irrational ideas just because they support my ship. It stands just fine on its own, in my estimation.
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Post by Confettie on Jun 15, 2006 15:34:41 GMT -5
true and I like your style! but we're not even sure if Ozai truly is the "bad guy" maybe he's just the puppet for someone else. Or if he even will die at the end. So I wouldn't rule Ozai out just yet.
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Gotterdammerung
Casual Zuko
sorry. i'm fresh out of the ability to care.
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Post by Gotterdammerung on Jun 15, 2006 15:45:29 GMT -5
I think anyone but Ozai being the final enemy is highly, highly unlikely. There's no one introduced, foreshadowed, or even vaguely hinted at that would be in the position to be controlling the Fire Lord and Ozai's role as evil, evil, evil was pretty squarely set from the moment he purposefully disfigured his own adolescent son who was begging for mercy and refusing to fight him. A final redemption isn't entirely impossible just on the basis that nothing is impossible, but even taking that into account Zuko's storyline is very, very clearly going to culminate with him rejecting his overwhelming and childish need for his father's approval. So what Ozai wants for Zuko (if indeed he wants anything, since the extent to which he favors Azula would imply that he probably doesn't care what Zuko does in general as long as he's not around to embarass him) still isn't going to matter.
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Post by Confettie on Jun 15, 2006 15:57:28 GMT -5
I personally thought that whole agni-kai thing what Zuko own fault. It's tradition I'm sure some while ago in the Fire Nation history another Fire Lord agni kai his heir apparent. It most likely was a test to see if Zuko was worthy of becoming the Fire Lord and if he fail it gave Ozai a convenient excuse to get rid of him and make Azula the heir. I don't blame Ozai for wanting his strongest and most fit child to become heir. I actually applaud him for looking past the fact that she is a girl and for trying to find a way to make her heir. Many great dynasty in Chine fell because the ruler was so concern of following tradition that they allow their first born idiot child take over instead of a more capable younger sibling.
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Gotterdammerung
Casual Zuko
sorry. i'm fresh out of the ability to care.
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Post by Gotterdammerung on Jun 15, 2006 17:06:07 GMT -5
...O...kay.
First of all, there's absolutely no indication that it's any sort of "tradition" for the Fire Lord to duel their heir. In fact, the fact that Zuko had no idea that he was going to have to duel his father and seemed completely boggled and horrified by the concept goes directly against that supposition. You are correct in saying that Ozai used the duel as a convenient way to get rid of Zuko so that he could have his favored child as heir, but that neither makes it right or laudable. Not to mention that there's no reason to think that Azula would be a more capable leader than Zuko. Yes, she's a better firebender. She's also a sociopath and a sadist. Even when Zuko was speaking out of turn he was doing so in defense of his people, who he loves and respects. Very obvious narrative indications that he would be a good and just ruler. And considering that the Fire Nation seems to be the most egalitarian of the nations there's no reason to feel like Ozai's doing anything special or feminist by favoring Azula.
Zuko's actions technically led to the Agni Kai, but to say that what happened to him is his fault is just beyond harsh. What Ozai did was incredibly cruel, not to mention twisted and unecessary. And he certainly didn't do it in Zuko's best interest. Not that if he did it would be any less horrible.
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