pg15
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Post by pg15 on Dec 9, 2007 23:05:32 GMT -5
Can the firebender not simply take the fire from whatever it is that's burning, thereby stopping whatever it is from burning? You know what I mean? He/she doesn't have to destroy the fire, but perhaps he/she can remove it and place it somewhere else.
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Post by WyrmKing on Dec 10, 2007 1:47:51 GMT -5
I don't see how firebenders can prevent something from getting burned while it is already on fire. Preventing a flammable object from catching on fire is one thing, but once the object is on fire the fire will continue to consume the object unless the fire is put out. That's just the way fire is. Remember, benders bend their element, not break it. It is fire's nature to consume and burn. A firebender can manipulate the strength and direction of fire, but he/she cannot alter the very nature of fire itself. I guess you need to rewatch The Deserter. One of Aang's lessons was to prevent the leaf from burning lol.
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Post by bongalak on Dec 10, 2007 2:29:29 GMT -5
I believe the lesson there was to prevent the fire from spreading, not to prevent the fire from burning. Remember, fire needs to burn, because a fire cannot exist by it self without a fuel source to feed on. If it doesn't burn, it's not fire.
Saying that firebenders can make a fire burn without consuming anything is like saying that airbenders can turn air into solid. Just because they can manipulate their element doesn't mean they can completely alter the very defining nature of their element.
As for moving an already burning fire from one location to another, I guess that's possible, provided that the firebender can keep the flame alive for long enough during the transferring process.
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Post by WyrmKing on Dec 10, 2007 3:06:49 GMT -5
For fire to spread, it has to burn. Even if Aang prevents the fire for spreading, the ember in the middle of the leaf would've disappeared if it can't spread since it's already consumed the middle part of the leaf.
And it's very possible for them to control whether the fire can burn or not, since in Book 1, when Aang and Zuko were fighting in a room, none of the items burned. Or when Roku and Sozin were sparring, the grass didn't burn.
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Post by bongalak on Dec 10, 2007 3:36:19 GMT -5
Well Master Jeong Jeong said nothing about not letting the fire go out. I guess if Aang did the exercise properly the ember in the middle of the leaf would have indeed disappeared without further spreading, effectively putting the fire out.
I guess you are right in that a firebender can control the rate at which fire consumes fuel. But I still think that once a fire makes contact with a flammable object, there's nothing a firebender can do to keep that object from being completely unaffected by the fire.
As for none of the items/grass burning, I thought that was just animators not bothering to animate every single burn/singe mark. Besides, I hardly believe that Zuko would have been focusing on keeping his items safe during the heat of a battle.
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Post by WyrmKing on Dec 10, 2007 3:43:54 GMT -5
I guess you are right in that a firebender can control the rate at which fire consumes fuel. But I still think that once a fire makes contact with a flammable object, there's nothing a firebender can do to keep that object from being completely unaffected by the fire. I believe a Firebender can dissipate fire. I believe they have complete control over heat and fire.
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Post by bongalak on Dec 10, 2007 3:55:02 GMT -5
That part I agree with too. I just don't think that a firebender can shoot a fireball at a flammable object ie rope/paper/oil and not expect that object to get burned up.
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Post by WyrmKing on Dec 10, 2007 4:00:05 GMT -5
That part I agree with too. I just don't think that a firebender can shoot a fireball at a flammable object ie rope/paper/oil and not expect that object to get burned up. Not if they put out the fire.
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Post by bongalak on Dec 10, 2007 4:09:00 GMT -5
Well that's besides the point, but I agree.
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Post by fuego on Dec 10, 2007 13:54:31 GMT -5
Just look at the fight that aang and General Zhao because I do believe that Firebender can control the nature of fire as stated from WyrmKing
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Post by shimura on Dec 10, 2007 14:43:48 GMT -5
The Blimps are easy to explain really. A Blimp really is nothing more than a large hot air balloon. The airbag is most likely filled with a readably available gas that allows it to lift. The size of the airbag also determines the amount of extras you can attach to it. ====== Just a clarification. The airships in Avatar are a combination of technologies: hot air balloons, and dirigibles (that is, airships capable of being directed/steered, like "blimps", zepplins, and such). They do not use some lighter-than-air gas such as hydrogen or helium, but rather by simply heating up the air inside the balloon. The hot air is less dense than the cooler air around it, so it naturally rises, taking the airship with it. However, the balloon part itself is shaped similar to that of a "blimp", along with propellars to steer it in a particular direction. Little trivia point: how did dirigibles get the name "blimp"? As the crews filled them with hydrogen gas, they would flick them with their fingers to see how full they were. When they did, it would make a "blimp!" sound, probably similar to the sound those cheap rubber kickballs make when you kicked them...
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Post by I Can Fly Now on Dec 12, 2007 2:29:34 GMT -5
^Wow, I never knew that. Cool. I love random facts like that.
So I'm really late in posting on this episode. Schoolwork has robbed me of coherent thought these past few weeks.
This whole episode was so well-done. I loved seeing so many people coming together to aid the water tribe. It was really heartening, and seeing old faces is always fun. I have issues with Haru's facial hair. It looks so out of place on his face, like it was painted on with an eyebrow pencil. I was distracted by it every time I saw him. And though I'll miss Aang with hair, it was neat seeing everyone in their old clothes again. And Toph got to have a hat! yeah, I have a thing for hats. I don't wear them often myself, but I appreciate them on other people. It's just one of those things. And I am so proud of Zuko! He's gone through so much and come so far throughout the show. Though his speech to his father was a bit cheesy at points, I was happy for him. That poor kid. Now that he's got his head on straight, he's going to be okay. I squee'd when I saw him following the gAang in his balloon. I'm dying to see what happens when he catches up with them. I mean, how's he going to approach the situation? "Hey, guys. I've come to my senses and realized my Dad's an evil nut job. So can I join up with you now?" They're not just going to say, "Yeah, come hang out with us," after all that's happened. And, like everyone else, I'm wondering where Iroh is headed. He's got to have some kind of plan in mind. He didn't break out of jail just to wander around aimlessly. Hopefully he gets in touch with Zuko again. He still needs more guidance. *Sigh* I can't believe we're in the same position we were a year ago at this time: A huge break in episodes, with no idea when the new ones will be forthcoming. Ah, well, I can wait some more.
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nandireya
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Post by nandireya on Dec 31, 2007 0:59:08 GMT -5
Okay...something that's been bothering me for a while about The Day of Black Sun...why did Ozai turn on Zuko so quickly? It never made sense to me...
Ozai was happy to see his boy in The Awakening
Ozai: You have been away for a long time. I see the weight of your travels has changed you. You have redeemed yourself my son. Welcome home. I am proud of you, Prince Zuko. I am proud because your sister conquered Ba Sing Se. I am proud because, when your loyalty was tested by your treacherous uncle, you did the right thing, and captured the traitor. And I am proudest of all of your most legendary accomplishment. You slayed the Avatar.
He was proud of him...and Zuko backed this up in The Beach...
Zuko: I'm back home, now my dad talks to me. Huh, he even thinks I'm a hero.
And then in Nightmares and Daydreams Ozai held the meeting until Zuko arrived, he gave him the seat of highest honour at his side and Zuko acted exactly as his father wanted...
Zuko: During the meeting I was the perfect prince...the son my father wanted...
Ozai was proud of his son...he saw him as a hero...he saw him as the perfect Fire Nation prince...so why, if he was so trusted, so perfect, why wasn't he a part of Ozai and Azula's plans in dealing with the invasion? Ozai was surprised to see him...and very quickly grew suspicious of his presence...
And all Zuko said was that he hadn't taken down the Avatar, that Azula had...and that the Avatar was alive and was probably leading the invasion before Ozai turned on him. It wasn't really incriminating...it was just truth, observation and assumptions...and Ozai went ballistic! He really didn't have a reason to until Zuko said he wasn't following his father's orders anymore.
So why didn't Ozai include his perfect, heroic son, who, until that point, had be credited with killing the Avatar, who had proved to be so loyal that he'd betrayed the man who had stood by him during his exile in the defence of the throne? Why did he turn his anger on him BEFORE he'd really given him a reason to do so? Why didn't he trust the boy who had done nothing since his return to prove that his loyalty was at all in doubt?
Did Azula tell their father that Zuko had partaken of frequent visits to his traitorous uncle? Did she learn from Mai about his confession of not being who he truly was after the meeting?
I think something happened for Ozai's trust in his son to be shaken...I think something HAD to have happened.
Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it...
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pg15
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Post by pg15 on Dec 31, 2007 1:16:32 GMT -5
Well, when Zuko told Ozai that Aang was alive, Ozai really did have a reason to be angry. However, he didn't really turn on Zuko per se, but just told him to get out. Zuko wasn't punished per se.
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Post by nandireya on Dec 31, 2007 1:31:42 GMT -5
But what reason did he have to dismiss him at that point? Zuko's tone was cold, but he hadn't really said anything bad...or...given that Azula was laying in wait at the time...anything he didn't know...
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