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Post by Dutchy on Nov 9, 2006 15:42:46 GMT -5
It isn't that compicated uhh.. reminds me of avril *listens complicated now*
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gambitia
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Post by gambitia on Nov 9, 2006 17:24:40 GMT -5
Considering that everything from intelligence to hair color is at least partially determined by genetics and biology, the chances that homosexuality is at least partly determined by genetics and/or other biologic factors is pretty high. What do you think makes the majority of the population heterosexual? Did you choose to be? I don't think people fully understand genetics. A lot of people seem to have this idea that genetics is "either/or." You're either brown, or blonde. You either have blue eyes, or green. It's an overly simplistic view of genetics, as very few things are definitive in genetics. Few things are controlled solely by genes, and few things are controlled solely by environment. If you have the genes for Huntington's disease, then you will get Huntington's and there's nothing you can do about it. Environment has no affect on it--it is determined solely by genetics. Food preference, on the other hand, is determined by upbringing. The food you like best is the food you were exposed to at an early age. Genetics has little/no affect on it. However, few things are so simple. Take intelligence, for example. If everyone grew up in the same environment, went to the same school, and got the same caliber of education, some people would still be smarter than others. That's because intelligence is partially controlled by genetics--some people are born smarter than others. However, environment affects intelligence a lot. Poverty, in particular, has a huge negative impact on a person's intelligence. Intelligence is not an either/or trait; it is determined both by genetics and environment. Anorexia is determined by genetics, but must be triggered by the environment. Only people with the gene code for anorexia will get anorexia--if the code is absent, the person won't get it. But, not everybody with the anorexia code will suffer from anorexia--the code won't switch "on" unless it is triggered by something in the environment. Then there are traits like schizophrenia, which scientists have been puzzling over for ages. No single factor--genetic, environmental, or otherwise--has been pinned down as the cause of schizophrenia. Theories range from a mutated gene sequence to being exposed to pneumonia in the womb, yet for every theory there are schizophrenics who don't fit into the model. I find it very hard to believe that genetics/biology have nothing to do with homosexuality. There might not be a single genetic code that determines homosexuality; it's more likely to be something complex that won't be figured out for ages . Theories about homosexuality have been cropping up, being disproved, and being reaffirmed for a while now. It's hard to wade through it all (I tried. My brain hurt.) But still--based on the fact that genetics/biology determine quite a bit about the human body, mind, and behavior; that homosexuality has been observed in 1,500 animal species and is well-documented in 500; and that many scientists in this field believe that homosexuality is a combination of genetic and environmental factors, I believe that genetics play a role in determining homosexuality. @ww: You poke some good holes in the "It's okay because I was born like this!" arguments.
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Post by Tungsten on Nov 10, 2006 2:13:44 GMT -5
I don't care about the genetics or the choices, all I care about the people. Love is love regardless of who it is between. What makes the love between a man and a woman any different than love between a two women or two men? If your in love that's all that matters, and as long as your're happy together you got my support.
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w0lly
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Post by w0lly on Nov 10, 2006 8:25:41 GMT -5
Well, it depends on your beliefs and basically your Environment that determines that you are either tolerant or non-tolerant of homosexuality.
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Post by Dutchy on Nov 10, 2006 12:36:32 GMT -5
I don't care about the genetics or the choices, all I care about the people. Love is love regardless of who it is between. What makes the love between a man and a woman any different than love between a two women or two men? If your in love that's all that matters, and as long as your're happy together you got my support. Well spoken
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Post by mikael on Nov 10, 2006 12:38:50 GMT -5
I don't care about the genetics or the choices, all I care about the people. Love is love regardless of who it is between. What makes the love between a man and a woman any different than love between a two women or two men? If your in love that's all that matters, and as long as your're happy together you got my support. Of course; None of us have said otherwise. We're debating why homosexuality exists. Some of my best friends are G / L / B.
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Post by Dutchy on Nov 10, 2006 13:02:34 GMT -5
Of course; None of us have said otherwise. We're debating why homosexuality exists. Some of my best friends are G / L / B. It's actually about people being against gay people
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Post by mikael on Nov 10, 2006 13:05:34 GMT -5
Not when I joined, but w/e.
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Post by Dutchy on Nov 10, 2006 14:11:38 GMT -5
yeah but that doesn't change the topic
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Post by mikael on Nov 10, 2006 14:39:12 GMT -5
OK, lemme rephrase this.
We were just having a subdiscussion in this thread about why homosexuality exists.
Happy, Mr. Nitpick?
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Post by Dutchy on Nov 10, 2006 14:42:41 GMT -5
OK, lemme rephrase this. We were just having a subdiscussion in this thread about why homosexuality exists. Happy, Mr. Nitpick? slow down mr.kranky stick to the point and don't try to get any fights (not that you'll get one with me) just advicing you
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Grandi
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Post by Grandi on Nov 10, 2006 22:03:35 GMT -5
Stop debating what the debate is about and debate about what the debate was orginally intended to debate about.
And if you couldn't understand that:
Back on topic guys.
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Zink
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Post by Zink on Nov 10, 2006 22:10:09 GMT -5
Stop debating what the debate is about and debate about what the debate was orginally intended to debate about. And if you couldn't understand that: Back on topic guys. Grandi, you make me laugh. There are people who have a wife and kids and then discover they're gay.* Could this be the result of a gene that wasn't realized by the enviroment until later in life? *I don't have a specific example for this, but it's infilterated our pop culture so much, I'm guessing it's pretty frequent in homosexual people.
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HawkWind
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Post by HawkWind on Nov 10, 2006 22:15:54 GMT -5
Honestly, I completely agree with tungsten, love, in any way shape or form is love, and people who believe homosexuality is wrong might as well consider love is wrong. But then again, it all depends on what beliefes a person is raised with. My parents taught me to be open to everything. They sing in a friends of the gay communtiy choir and I've met a lot of their good friends. They are always really nice to me, and I love going with my parents over to their houses for dinner.
Also, the other day, some of my friends seperatly came out to me as gay, and though I was surprised, I found it really didn't make a difference to me. The fact that they were gay didn't make a difference in the fact that they were some of my closest friends and the would always be my friends.
Maybe the fact that some people are so opposed to homosexuality is that they are afraid of being targeted. I understand why they might feel that way, but honestly, the fear is almost completely unjustified. It is extremely unlikely that a homosexual is going to try and force themselves on that person, but then again, if they would rather live in fear, they can chose to ^_^
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Post by mikael on Nov 10, 2006 22:17:16 GMT -5
As in the example I used earlier: My mother pulled it on my family when we were five, after two marriages and three children (First marriage yielded my older brother and sister; Second produced me). In every case I've seen or heard of involving that type of leaving, it's usually because of some type of hatred or distrust build up against the other gender over the course of a lifetime.
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