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Asami
May 20, 2012 23:37:49 GMT -5
Post by Nashk Tategami on May 20, 2012 23:37:49 GMT -5
I have to admit you are right. I think I'm just letting my annoyance at how cliched she has been so far, that I forget we still have some episodes left (and another season) to flesh out the characters.
Still dissapointed in how she has been handled so far.
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dirtyyasuki
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Asami
May 21, 2012 10:31:30 GMT -5
Post by dirtyyasuki on May 21, 2012 10:31:30 GMT -5
I'm for one am not disappointed by her character one bit. She is a talented girl who grew up with a privileged life but was made to be smart and independent. Both qualities that I'm sure her father appreciated and found invaluable growing from humble beginnings. And I have the feeling she inherited her good nature from both her parent's, at least before Hiroshi turned to doing morally questionable things because Amon took advantage of his grief over losing his wife.
And as for how she can be talented at fighting and being an expert driver well it all ties in easily with her background. Nothing out of the ordinary there that would be hard to explain. If anything her character might be a little too predictable as almost being too perfect but we see that for all her talents and wealth she didn't really expect her father to be the man he became and in one evening she lost everything that ever mattered to her.
If anything I would say whatever she does next should be very interesting indeed. And as this thread is proving many people find her interesting enough even without so much character exposition from episode 7.
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Asami
May 21, 2012 13:06:20 GMT -5
Post by Nashk Tategami on May 21, 2012 13:06:20 GMT -5
I don't think you understand my complaint here. Its not that I don't think Asami shouldn't kickass AND be a good driver, but that she isn't balanced! She has almost nothing but good traits, and the one flaw she did have was introduced, and then taken away in a single episode!
Up until this point she has been unbalanced. She deus ex machina'd problems away, is capable of taking on a lieutenant that gives the main team trouble, is rich and powerful, capable of turning enemies into friends and this list just goes on.
She has no flaws. That will (hopefully, and probably) change in upcoming episodes, but up to this point she has been nothing but perfect with no real character development. So far her development has been this.
Introduced as a pretty, beautiful and rich girl. Fixes a problem with her money. Begins dating mako, starts shipping battle with Korra. Fixes another problem, gives boys place to stay. Becomes friends with korra by giving her a ride in a car, which also establishes she is a great driver. Becomes insulted when korra accuses her dad, dad turns out to be wrong, so she switches sides and knocks him out. Curb stomps equalist lieutenant and saves the day.
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Asami
May 21, 2012 21:45:46 GMT -5
Post by Awapuhi on May 21, 2012 21:45:46 GMT -5
While I see both sides of the argument here, she just has too many Mary Sue qualities. Like the above said, its unbalanced. I hope that we see more dimension to her in the coming episodes.
On the twist side, now that we have established Hiroshi is w/ the Equalists, and Asami, purportedly, isn't....well, what if it is an act? She is so good at everything, so well trained in everything, it honestly would not surprise me if she was playing double agent to take down the benders from the inside. IMHO, making the decision to electrocute your father (with their obviously close relationship) just doesn't make sense here for two reasons: a), she already lost her mother and only just met these other guys, which brings me to b) love takes time. If she were choosing Mako over her father, than I think she is crazy for other reasons (attachment issues?)
In short, I don't know about this chick.
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attonbitus
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Asami
May 22, 2012 10:43:41 GMT -5
Post by attonbitus on May 22, 2012 10:43:41 GMT -5
^ the more I think about it the more it doesn't make sense for her to play spy. Amon's Equalist have demonstrated, at least twice now, they could have taken out Korra at any time of their choosing.
So having Asumi infiltrating the Korrawd doesn't make much sense.
On her turning against her father, I think she turn on him more because of the fact she knows he's doing a terrible thing. From the few interaction we've seen between father and daughter, it's evident that he's tried to raise her in a way that she's able to make her own decisions. I feel it's more about that than "choosing" Mako over her dad.
Now why he didn't raise her to secretly hate benders, I don't know. It seems like an easy thing to instill "benders took your mom away" to a child.
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dirtyyasuki
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Asami
May 24, 2012 2:10:50 GMT -5
Post by dirtyyasuki on May 24, 2012 2:10:50 GMT -5
I don't think you understand my complaint here. Its not that I don't think Asami shouldn't kickass AND be a good driver, but that she isn't balanced! She has almost nothing but good traits, and the one flaw she did have was introduced, and then taken away in a single episode! Up until this point she has been unbalanced. She deus ex machina'd problems away, is capable of taking on a lieutenant that gives the main team trouble, is rich and powerful, capable of turning enemies into friends and this list just goes on. She has no flaws. That will (hopefully, and probably) change in upcoming episodes, but up to this point she has been nothing but perfect with no real character development. So far her development has been this. Introduced as a pretty, beautiful and rich girl. Fixes a problem with her money. Begins dating mako, starts shipping battle with Korra. Fixes another problem, gives boys place to stay. Becomes friends with korra by giving her a ride in a car, which also establishes she is a great driver. Becomes insulted when korra accuses her dad, dad turns out to be wrong, so she switches sides and knocks him out. Curb stomps equalist lieutenant and saves the day. I get what you're complaint is and I simply do not agree, because I think it's far too early to tell if the one bad thing/trial that's happened to her so far also gets to be hand waived by the writer's as nothing more than a minor inconvenience. If that happens then I will happily join you on the "Asami I am disappoint" bandwagon. Until then, I suggest we wait and see what she does next. I sincerely hope that the writer's "balance" her out as you point out that her character seems to need desperately because it seems the spotlight for character development is now on her and I sincerely hope we are not disappointed. As far as I can tell and I did agree she did seem a bit too perfect that like many who first came to know her, even my suspicions of her motives were piqued at first. But I'm glad my suspicions were wrong on that end at least. Although she is shown to be exceptionally well-rounded for a supporting character, at least I find it's all within reason unlike the most blatant offender's of "Mary Suedom" that I have seen. Incidentally despite her Mary Sueish qualities she can be incredibly naive which is par for the course growing up as a sheltered rich girl; she's lost her home, her father, and even most of her possessions and the privileged position that she enjoyed prior to finding out her own father is now a wanted criminal by her own home city. So far she has essentially lost the most in the series since this entire conflict first started. I would hold off on passing judgment on her character just for the moment until we see how she deals with recent events. If she comes out smelling too sweet for normal tolerance then I would agree with your assessment only then. On her turning against her father, I think she turn on him more because of the fact she knows he's doing a terrible thing. From the few interaction we've seen between father and daughter, it's evident that he's tried to raise her in a way that she's able to make her own decisions. I feel it's more about that than "choosing" Mako over her dad. Now why he didn't raise her to secretly hate benders, I don't know. It seems like an easy thing to instill "benders took your mom away" to a child. She wasn't raised by Hiroshi that way because Hiroshi is smart enough to know that he wouldn't want the one good thing he still cared about (other than Future Industries) to be lost or tarnished by the coming war and blood he would have on his hands for hating all bender's and wanting to get revenge for losing his wife by joining Amon. Hiroshi is not a terrible or evil person. He is just damaged and made bad decisions because of the trauma and grief he suffered over losing his wife, the mother of his only child. It's just sad really.
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Asami
May 28, 2012 17:57:37 GMT -5
Post by sokka4mayor on May 28, 2012 17:57:37 GMT -5
I honestly think shes in with her dad, at this point of the series where Amon is taking every precaution in his plan, every detail is planned to the T, working with businesses recruiting people with motives, framing others, the setup ending with the characters in the cellar of the production factory. One could think she is in on it, she earns the groups trust and is Amons eyes and ears on the inside now with Korra and the others.
Its looking like star wars to me, Amon could be Palpatine, he controls the sith and works with the benders as Tarlok, wouldn't be surprised if Amon was a bender himself and didn't want to deal with any competition when say Sozen's comet arrives (or something like that)
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Asami
May 28, 2012 19:18:10 GMT -5
Post by Leaf on May 28, 2012 19:18:10 GMT -5
Why do I have a feeling that she's going to become my new favorite character now that she has been assimilated into the group?
Please tell me she's going to keep the electric glove so she could be a useful fighting character instead of someone who needs Mako to come to her rescue.
Why do I always go after the non-benders?
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Asami
Jun 4, 2012 10:56:43 GMT -5
Post by Paraiba Ocean on Jun 4, 2012 10:56:43 GMT -5
I actually like Asami, but I do agree she doesn't have enough flaws. It's like she can relate to everyone in almost every way (I lost my mother, too, etc), and is a great fighter/driver, and all that. Which makes me happy since just because she's a beautiful woman doesn't mean she isn't smart and capable of defending/protecting herself and driving.
But I feel like so much of her character is "wasted" (I use that term lightly) on her being Mako's girlfriend. I just feel like she has so much potential be awesome on her own but half the time she's busy being Korra's foil against Mako.
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Asami
Jun 4, 2012 21:07:16 GMT -5
Post by Nashk Tategami on Jun 4, 2012 21:07:16 GMT -5
I actually like Asami, but I do agree she doesn't have enough flaws. It's like she can relate to everyone in almost every way (I lost my mother, too, etc), and is a great fighter/driver, and all that. Which makes me happy since just because she's a beautiful woman doesn't mean she isn't smart and capable of defending/protecting herself and driving. But I feel like so much of her character is "wasted" (I use that term lightly) on her being Mako's girlfriend. I just feel like she has so much potential be awesome on her own but half the time she's busy being Korra's foil against Mako. I don't know where the "beautiful woman can't fight" thing came from, and I don't think that was ever in the cards was it? The complaints are about her character, and how her current balance (or rather more glaringly, her lack thereof) intermeshes with the rest of the series. She is simply too perfect, and the show doesn't even bother to lampshade it to help ease the burden on the suspension of belief. To top it all off, with each passing episode her positive traits are only enhanced, with no balance. The only "flaw" she has so far is jealousy, and I don't that is a sufficient character "flaw" to balance her out at all with how specific it is, but I guess we still have a season and a half to find out if she fleshes out any or just remains static. Although I do agree about being Korra's foil in regards to Mako. I feel she could be a proper foil all on her own, but so for Asami has been a packaged deal with Mako. Heck being a proper foil could be great for Asami's character.
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Asami
Jun 5, 2012 0:01:40 GMT -5
Post by Paraiba Ocean on Jun 5, 2012 0:01:40 GMT -5
I actually like Asami, but I do agree she doesn't have enough flaws. It's like she can relate to everyone in almost every way (I lost my mother, too, etc), and is a great fighter/driver, and all that. Which makes me happy since just because she's a beautiful woman doesn't mean she isn't smart and capable of defending/protecting herself and driving. But I feel like so much of her character is "wasted" (I use that term lightly) on her being Mako's girlfriend. I just feel like she has so much potential be awesome on her own but half the time she's busy being Korra's foil against Mako. I don't know where the "beautiful woman can't fight" thing came from, and I don't think that was ever in the cards was it? The complaints are about her character, and how her current balance (or rather more glaringly, her lack thereof) intermeshes with the rest of the series. She is simply too perfect, and the show doesn't even bother to lampshade it to help ease the burden on the suspension of belief. To top it all off, with each passing episode her positive traits are only enhanced, with no balance. The only "flaw" she has so far is jealousy, and I don't that is a sufficient character "flaw" to balance her out at all with how specific it is, but I guess we still have a season and a half to find out if she fleshes out any or just remains static. Although I do agree about being Korra's foil in regards to Mako. I feel she could be a proper foil all on her own, but so for Asami has been a packaged deal with Mako. Heck being a proper foil could be great for Asami's character. The beautiful women can't fight thing is something I brought up on my own? Just because I pointed it out doesn't mean I'm saying anyone else threw that card out on the table. Even though in the world of fiction (video games, tv series, movies, etc) beautiful girls can be some girls who throw down serious action, people still don't take them seriously in the real world often enough. So that's just a reason I like her - independent of what anyone else says. I don't even think her "jealousy" was that unreasonable. Ikki blatantly addressed that Korra had feelings for Mako, and even then her one moment of jealousy seemed to be her looking at Korra and Mako in the rearview mirror, whereas Korra had been a little bit more upfront about her jealousy in previous episodes. Honestly, I think that her being a foil to Korra not only impairs her character development, it also stunts Mako's. But I've never been big on characters that have more than a 1-2 episode arc if their main purpose for existing is to keep a potential/the main couple apart. I think Asami has a lot more potential than to be Mako's permanent arm candy/transportation for Avatar Gang 2.0. Kind of hoping she gets fleshed out a little bit better over the season. :/
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Asami
Jun 5, 2012 20:54:47 GMT -5
Post by Nashk Tategami on Jun 5, 2012 20:54:47 GMT -5
Oh don't get me wrong Paraiba, I don't actually think the jealousy is bad. I brought it up as it was mentioned in another thread, that jealousy would be her flaw. I don't agree with that, as jealousy wouldn't balance her character out much, but I also don't think her jealousy is out of place. Korra and Mako were flirting after all, and people can get jealous for a LOT less.
Also when I said Asami would be a good foil to Korra, I meant she would be good as a foil WITHOUT Mako. A foil isn't always a flat character (although so far that seems to be Asami's role, something I really hope changes.) but a character that is different, or opposite to highlight the main protagonists traits.
For example Korra is a headstrong, stubborn, down to earth character. Asami is more refined, open to change, and less confrontational. This could be used to great effect, but so far Asami has not been fleshed out, and so far seems to be a bit of a sue that has so far have not been given the proper care her character needs.
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Asami
Jun 6, 2012 10:27:05 GMT -5
Post by Paraiba Ocean on Jun 6, 2012 10:27:05 GMT -5
Oh, no, I wasn't thinking her jealousy was bad - it's a very natural feeling, especially if you feel threatened by your boyfriend's relationship with a girl who clearly has feelings for him. Jealousy would only be her flaw if it was out of place/unreasonable and she took it to Seven Deadly Sins-level. But if that's the case, I don't feel like they would be doing her character much of a service. A lot of people think that Asami's playing the group/still in league with the Equalists, but I'm just still of the opinion her character is unfortunately flat.
Ah, yes, that is true. I can agree with that.
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Asami
Jun 12, 2012 22:41:19 GMT -5
Post by Argyle Bender on Jun 12, 2012 22:41:19 GMT -5
I think Asami needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. She may not be particularly well-rounded but she's a class act and for that she has my full backing. Mako's putting her though the ringer now--dump him, girl.
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Asami
Jun 25, 2012 15:43:20 GMT -5
Post by attonbitus on Jun 25, 2012 15:43:20 GMT -5
So Asumi loses the race, but honestly she's probably better off without Mako. Hopefully she can use that burning fire in her to rebuild her family's legacy. Getting shades of Lin here, girl get's dumped dives head and feet into her work.
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