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Post by marcus on Nov 5, 2006 23:56:45 GMT -5
I just realized something... Jet never tells the others about Zuko. You'd think after Smellerbee says that Jet was captured by Long Feng, the first thing they would ask is "Why?" Even when Jet gets his memory back, he doesn't mention "Lee" or "Mushi" at all. I wonder if the Gaang know that Zuko's in the city...
EDIT: Also, for those thinking that Toph's WAY too powerful, keep in mind that her style is specifically designed to fight against Earth Benders. Against Aang she's no contest, she can't feel the vibrations in ice, and fire bender's move too sporadically to predict their moves (atleast, that's what it looked like when they squared off against Azula).
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Post by Westeh on Nov 6, 2006 0:40:07 GMT -5
All I can really say is this: Poor Joo Dee. They hypnotise pretty young women into greeting people and telling them that their name is Joo Dee. That poor woman had her true identity not only hidden from others, but stolen from herself! I know! Just imagine having your daughter, sister, wife, or friend taken away! And then seeing her a few months (or days... whatever ) later, acting as a tour guide, calling herself Joo Dee! Geeze, these Dai Li people sure have an intricate plot on their hands.
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Post by Manabe on Nov 6, 2006 12:10:20 GMT -5
To the Jet issue, I think there is just as much a chance of him surviving as not. When he sas he'll be fine, it's obviously to console Katara. Toph replies he's lying. But, it could just be that he doesn't believe he'll be okay. Yes, she can feel the "physical reaction" so maybe she feels his heartbeat weaker/along with his lie. It's no doubt he's been seriously injured. But it doesn't mean he won't recover. Whether he has a permanent injury or not. Half of this post was me being logical... the other was my denial of Jet being gone. ;_;
xD
Unlike most people. And when I say most I mean most, I've loved Jet since he appeared. Come on now, the jerks are always the best characters. They add so much to the story. Now, because of this, everyone will begin to like Jet xP Which is fine, but I get upset when people lie.-.- I've no doubt some people will go around saying they've liked Jet all along, when they just now started.
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Post by Ignite on Nov 6, 2006 12:22:34 GMT -5
no I hated jet before this episode but the character has grow a lot during this episode... and grown in a positive way I felled.. and therefore my hatred towards jet is gone, I actually think he is a great character right now would be a shame if he would get killed now... just when he is growing into a better character
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Post by marcus on Nov 6, 2006 12:59:14 GMT -5
I didn't care for Jet because he was a jerk, but because he's a tragic hero. He did do the right thing, it's just that he did it in a different way. I guess it's because I'm in the military that I feel more sorry for him since I have to take orders that I'm sometimes morally opposed to but it's all for the greater good (well, I joined to make some sort of difference, no matter how small that is).
I've also liked Smellerbee since the first episode. She only had a few spoken lines, but the detail in her character was more than most of the other supporting roles. I could tell simply by the way they drew her that she was a self-respecting warrior who's probably looked down upon because she's a girl.
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Post by Ikkin on Nov 6, 2006 13:42:47 GMT -5
I think that one thing that gets overlooked when theorizing about whether or not Jet is alive is the implications on the story in either case- what would be gained by killing him/pretending that he's dead, and what would be lost by a fake death.
It's kind of hard to tell what purpose faking Jet's death would have, really. It served as a way to separate the Aang gang from the Freedom Fighters before the final confrontation with the Dai Lee, and it made Katara realize once and for all that people like Jet could change, but neither of these things would require Jet to look like he was going to die. Even showing that Katara's healing had its limits could be done without making the injury that critical- I could easily imagine her having trouble healing a broken arm, for instance.
If Jet's dead, there's more reason to the scene- it shows just how ruthless Long Feng is, provides a heroic ending to a character who otherwise would need nearly as much change as Zuko to bring himself fully on the good side, and shows that sometimes in war, completely arbitrary and unfair things can and do happen.
If Jet's not dead, there are several implications that are pretty important. First off, Long Feng looks a whole lot weaker. If he were to try to incapacitate Jet and succeed, some of the ruthlessness is lost, but at least he doesn't look incapable. But, he pretty much said that he meant to kill Jet, and failing at that (especially with the opportunity he had) makes him seem weak (which is made worse by the fact that he tries to avoid confrontation anyway). Also, it means that there's no way to kill off characters without showing their dying breath onscreen, which means trouble since we're dealing with Nickelodeon. If Jet doesn't survive, we can kind of assume that, if they don't show the attack hit and the character looks like they're going to die, they probably are- I can't see how anyone would consider Jet getting hit by a rock all too much more violent than Iroh getting blasted by lightning (which I was really surprised that Nick let through), and not allowing fatal attacks to be shown makes some kind of sense, at least.
It's really a very different situation from Iroh's- with that, there was quite a bit to gain from making it look like he might die, but more to gain, storywise, from letting him live. There were too many loose ends to let him die. With Jet, there's only one loose end- the Rough Rhinos' involvement in his past- and it's one that would take the story way out of its way to follow through on.
As for Jet himself... I liked him as a character when he first showed up (because I love the shades of grey), though I certainly wouldn't like him as a person or try to justify what he was trying to do. He was just plain interesting. But, I did start liking him more in this episode, because he did start to change for the better. I'm just afraid that, if he does make a surprise comeback, he'll end up going backwards again- his main problem is revenge, not just the fact that the revenge is misplaced. And, the only reason for bringing him back, at this point, is to take revenge on the Rough Rhinos. Sure, he'd be going after the right people, but it would still just be revenge. It would probably take a whole lot more work to actually bring Jet around to where he seems to be (he's a lot like Zuko in that regard- sometimes it seems like a lot of progress has been made, only to revert to previous behavior when confrontation occurs), and I don't know if there's time for that. Look how long it's taken for Zuko.
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Post by marcus on Nov 6, 2006 15:08:35 GMT -5
But let's reverse the situation: if he does live, that only proves his own strength. Perhaps his sheer will to live on or even his own inner hatred and feelings of revenge keep him from dying. As far as Long Feng's strength goes, we see him and his Dai Li who are highly skilled agents, get easily whiped out so I honestly don't think his abilities are much of a factor. Azula is supposed to be a firebending prodigy, and she can't even kill an old man after shooting him directly in the chest.
Jet could also provide himself as a future ally. Let's put it this way; not only is hated by the fire nation, he's now wanted by the entire Earth nation. The water tribes are too small and collected to do anything and we all know there are no more airbenders so what's Aang going to do? Jet has an entire group of active warriors at his beck and call; It would certainly make the show a lot more interesting having a full scale resistance force operating against both the earth and fire nation (as I believe the Long Feng and Firelord Ozai are cohorts, even though this is really speculation and not fact).
This is all good speculation, but all we can do is wait out 2 weeks to find the answer (hopefully). To me, his life or death are both equally important to the story's development.
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Post by thelastavatar on Nov 6, 2006 20:50:38 GMT -5
If he does live, the only reason is to take down Colonel Mongke and the Rough Rhinos, and possibly die with his last breath after taking down these guys.
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Post by Manabe on Nov 7, 2006 9:33:57 GMT -5
no I hated jet before this episode but the character has grow a lot during this episode... and grown in a positive way I felled.. and therefore my hatred towards jet is gone, I actually think he is a great character right now would be a shame if he would get killed now... just when he is growing into a better character Thanks for being honest xD It would be a shame. I think he adds so much to the story. I didn't care for Jet because he was a jerk, but because he's a tragic hero. He did do the right thing, it's just that he did it in a different way. I guess it's because I'm in the military that I feel more sorry for him since I have to take orders that I'm sometimes morally opposed to but it's all for the greater good (well, I joined to make some sort of difference, no matter how small that is). I've also liked Smellerbee since the first episode. She only had a few spoken lines, but the detail in her character was more than most of the other supporting roles. I could tell simply by the way they drew her that she was a self-respecting warrior who's probably looked down upon because she's a girl. -nods- Tragic heroes always have interesting characters/backgrounds. Another one of the reasons that I've loved Jet since episode 10. His town torn down by the fire nation. Losing his parents at only 8 years old. Then joining kids whose lives were uprooted by the fire nation to create freedom fighters. He was only 8 when all this happened. You can't blame him for having a clouded judgement. He thought what he was doing was right. He didn't perceive it as wrong. He'd do anything to get back at the fire nation. No matter what. Even assault an old man. He was obviously going about this in the wrong way. But what could you really expect? And it took Sokka and Katara to slap some sense into him. Plus, doubters now know he's really a good guy after Secret of the Fire Nation. He didn't get that food with Zuko for just himself. He went on to get a lot of food so he could hand it out to all the other refugees. His heart was in the right place. And he had good intentions before. He just hadn't followed it in the right way. But let's reverse the situation: if he does live, that only proves his own strength. Perhaps his sheer will to live on or even his own inner hatred and feelings of revenge keep him from dying. As far as Long Feng's strength goes, we see him and his Dai Li who are highly skilled agents, get easily whiped out so I honestly don't think his abilities are much of a factor. Azula is supposed to be a firebending prodigy, and she can't even kill an old man after shooting him directly in the chest. Jet could also provide himself as a future ally. Let's put it this way; not only is hated by the fire nation, he's now wanted by the entire Earth nation. The water tribes are too small and collected to do anything and we all know there are no more airbenders so what's Aang going to do? Jet has an entire group of active warriors at his beck and call; It would certainly make the show a lot more interesting having a full scale resistance force operating against both the earth and fire nation (as I believe the Long Feng and Firelord Ozai are cohorts, even though this is really speculation and not fact). This is all good speculation, but all we can do is wait out 2 weeks to find the answer (hopefully). To me, his life or death are both equally important to the story's development. Well said. I don't see Jet for just giving up like that. (unless the injury is too intense, then he really doesn't have a choice in the matter) And, my favor would be Jet living. =P I'd love to see what he'd do next afterwords. Imagine how interesting another confrontation with Zuko would be. Though not likely, it would still be interesting. =P
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Post by marcus on Nov 7, 2006 12:23:55 GMT -5
Well, the last episode is called Crossroads of Destiny or something which usually symbolizes a special turning point. Most people believe it'll be about Zuko putting away his past and joining Aang but it could very well be Jet putting aside his burning prejudice against the fire nation to accept Zuko. The first sounds much more plausible, but you never know; the writers could have always predicted the audiences reaction long before the storyboards and write a different branch accordingly. EDIT: Oh man, I forgot my main gripe about the animation! Where are Smellerbee's muscles!? This isn't a very good screenshot, but every clear shot of her showed well developed muscles (well, compared to the all of the other female characters). Lake Laogai made her really, really lanky; almost like a monkey. I guess she lost some weight while travelling through the city streets. Yea, I'm a Smellerbee fanboy.
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Post by trinity3 on Nov 7, 2006 16:43:34 GMT -5
Lake Laogai was AWESOME!! I feel bad about Jet, but then again who doesn't?( not a word, Jet haters!) I was so happpy when they got appa back I literally jumped up and did a little dance.( what can I say, I'm so dorky, I'm adorkable.-pun intended) In the last few minutes of the eppisode Longshot TALKED...HE TALKED!!! I was so proud of him! It was also a huge step for Zuzu throwing away his mask like that, but you gotta wonder: Is the blue spirit really gone? Dun Dun Dun...And Iroh yelled at Zuko.(Iroh is my pookie bear!)The next eppisode is on my b-day! I'm so excited!(What a birthday present!) I hope that Jet didn't die,because what kind of revenge would that be in the final battle? I bet that he'll miraculously survive and everyone will be so surprised when he shows up to kill Mr.rough rhino nose ring! HA!
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Post by thelastavatar on Nov 7, 2006 19:29:44 GMT -5
well, i guess smellerbee grew quite a bit in the time we last saw her.
About Jet and his memories. The block may have altered all of his memories, however, Katara helps Jet only remember what truly happened after he is taken away. Jet may have no recollection of confronting Zuko still, because Katara only helps him remember again what happens after he is taken away. Besides, Smellerbee and Longshot never mention it, so its not too hard to overlook, and they didnt know who Zuko was in the first place
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Post by rune on Nov 8, 2006 11:36:01 GMT -5
I'm olmost as sure that Zuko will be Aangs new fire teacher !
What do u guys think ?
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Post by earthblender on Nov 8, 2006 13:19:44 GMT -5
I'm olmost as sure that Zuko will be Aangs new fire teacher ! What do u guys think ? wow, not really creative are we? You didn't even try to change the phrase... For those who can't follow this is my post in another thread, and he copied it...
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Post by thelastavatar on Nov 9, 2006 7:26:55 GMT -5
guys...can we stay on the topic of lake laogai?
Lake Laogai is apparently a place to forget everything. we see it when ppl are hypnotized, and when Zuko leaves his mask behind, showing that he is moving on.
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