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Post by goten0040 on Nov 29, 2008 14:31:32 GMT -5
SourceWhat do you think about this? I'm not sure how I feel or what should be done. Should the boy be charged as an adult or as a child?
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Post by username on Nov 29, 2008 15:13:56 GMT -5
Some jerk cops can easily get an 8 year old to confess to whatever crime, and what reason would there be to try him as an adult?
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Post by Gran Gran on Nov 29, 2008 18:07:29 GMT -5
In Germany up to the age of 18 you are a juvenile. Up to the age of 21 the court has the option to still treat you as such. Treating anybody below 18 as adult is ridiculous IMO. I was mature for my age but I still didn't know crap.
At 8 NO WAY the kid knew what the deal is.
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Post by Horyo on Nov 30, 2008 0:32:14 GMT -5
I dunno. I think they should try to diagnose him for Antisocial Disorder.
I know I had thoughts of premeditated murder in my teens. (Though I know that I'm nto gonna do it xD)
If he did plan it out, then he should still be tried as a minor and be sent to Juvy. Though, I'd say there's something fishy going on there if the police are just blaming the boy.
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Post by mike1921 on Nov 30, 2008 2:16:35 GMT -5
In Germany up to the age of 18 you are a juvenile. Up to the age of 21 the court has the option to still treat you as such. Treating anybody below 18 as adult is ridiculous IMO. I was mature for my age but I still didn't know crap. At 8 NO WAY the kid knew what the deal is. I disagree. I say the cutoff for when you could legally count someone as an adult should be 14, but only for 1st degree murder and rape. For assault and crap like that, 16 or 18. But regardless, no 8 year old should be regarded as an adult ever.
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Post by Gran Gran on Nov 30, 2008 10:25:00 GMT -5
In Germany up to the age of 18 you are a juvenile. Up to the age of 21 the court has the option to still treat you as such. Treating anybody below 18 as adult is ridiculous IMO. I was mature for my age but I still didn't know crap. At 8 NO WAY the kid knew what the deal is. I disagree. I say the cutoff for when you could legally count someone as an adult should be 14, but only for 1st degree murder and rape. For assault and crap like that, 16 or 18. But regardless, no 8 year old should be regarded as an adult ever. That is the law of the land. But why have 2 different ages? Drives me nuts anyhow: 16 old enough to be let loose on the public with 1 or 2 tons of steel around you, AKA driving 17 old enough to die for the country - as in join the military 18 Vote 19 smoke 21 drink but at anytime be tried as an adult.... And no offense, but 14 is in no way shape or form adult. maybe I should have added that under 14 they are considered children in Germany.
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Post by mike1921 on Nov 30, 2008 11:12:00 GMT -5
I don't want two different ages, I want one age or the otherIn my state it's 17, just to get your permit(which I hardly count as driving.) You get your license 6 months later. My dad was in the military at 17, I was wondering whether that was still legal But I'd imagine, when a 14 year old commits pre-meditated murder they might as well be an adult. The odds are at that point these kids are unsalvageable by juvie and deserve to have to deal with actual prison.
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Post by gothloli on Nov 30, 2008 21:16:47 GMT -5
Well, first off, as an adult, as a caregiver for this child, your son, why/how would you even think to bring up the ludicrous idea of purchasing a firearm for your son. Ok that's problem #1
Problem #2: I don't believe children at such a young age are developmentally and morally cognizant of the consequences of their actions and their untimely cascading effects, whether good or bad. Even our early adolescent (<14) are still grappling with minimal impusle control, egocentricity, concrete vs. abstract thinking, and the ability to forsee the consequences of their behavior. Even if the young child had some faint desire or impulse to kill, or even planned it, I don't believe he was able to conceptualize and make these decisions with adequate knowledge and anticipation of their aftermath. Most importantly, children at such a young age, are not operating(well most of the time) on the level we are; they don't need/want/care for/aware of tact, hypocrisy, etiquette mask or pose(the things that mostly make of the communication/reasoning/rationalizing etc. between adults) So, to even want to blame the child, is just absurd or are we dealing with just a corrupt PD again. Well, that's not too surprising, now is it?
Problem 3: This BS gun problem again?! How many times must we witness these same tragic events?!
Wait!!!!!!!!!! Holy crap I just thought of something, would my entire arugment be refuted, for example, in the case of sexual abuse...but still can children know of these consequences, even if their intent was to inflict harm.(well, most of the time those young children don't retaliate, they don't know how to, are threatened into not being able to, and usually end up with some psychosocial disorder later on in life...ok never mind lol) Well, I just confused myself in my own post. Great loli. lol
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Post by harmonyhorsegrl on Dec 2, 2008 23:51:29 GMT -5
yeah, maybe they could plead insanity. boviously, the kid has some SERIOUS issues. what were the circumstances of the murder?
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Post by goten0040 on Dec 3, 2008 20:36:31 GMT -5
I heard the child was abused by his father. That might have been the real issue underneath. A kid doesn't just haul off and shoot somebody for no reason.
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Post by gothloli on Dec 4, 2008 12:57:51 GMT -5
Well there you go^^^^^
I had no idea but I proposed the idea in my above post. I had a feeling. But too be honest I'm surprised, this is extremly rare.Most abusers don't give their victims espically the weak and young and the powerless a chance to retaliate. I don't believe the child should be punished at all, if that's the case. I have friends that were in similar situations. The pain is overpowering and crawls forever in your veins like cancer.
So I guess the next question should be, what's the lesser of two evils?
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Post by GROOONK'D on Dec 4, 2008 20:58:54 GMT -5
lock him up til 18, pending results release him or hold till 21 then reevaluate again
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Post by Consonant*** on Dec 5, 2008 0:53:41 GMT -5
lock him up til 18, pending results release him or hold till 21 then reevaluate again Pretty much all you can do.
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Post by Yakuza on Dec 6, 2008 0:13:06 GMT -5
Psych evaluations from 3rd parties. Nobody local, nobody state.
Go Gov. and pick at his brain until he is an adult.
You ever see a child steal a candy bar? Its a want/have/do attitude most of the time. There is no motive, no gumption. Nothing. Do I think this kid acted on his own mind? Yes, I actually do. But its like... crap what a mistake ya know? Kids have hung themselves over not being allowed to play video games. Everything is exaggerated in a child's mind... in theory.
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Post by Sheogorath on Dec 9, 2008 5:38:34 GMT -5
He's only 8. Whatever the reason, accident, abusive father, whatever, he's not an adult, so just send the brat to juvy for the next ten years. If that doesn't reform him, the death penalty the next time he kills someone will. Of course, he'd be dead then and unable to harm anyone, but that's the point. If he doesn't learn his lesson by the time they release him the first time, which having no childhood freedom should, then the next time he goes and kills someone, telling him the state's going to kill him back will tell him, "You screwed up."
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