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Post by fireflamesinferno on Dec 4, 2006 0:27:42 GMT -5
Zuko's descision was good. It was not in his character to turn to the good side so easily. With all that emotional baggage he was bound to take a little bit longer to come around. As for the couple moments, I'm wondering if the fact that Azula was able to take Aang out while he was in the Avatar State means that he really hasn't let go of Katara. If so, I can't even begin to figure out where the producers are going with that. I think when Zuko finally does turn good (inevitably) he will form quite a bond of friendship with Katara, though I suspect the Zutarians will be pleased that it will probably have a rather tempestuous quality to it.
An extremely interesting point is where Toph bends metal...If one goes off on that scientifical logic, there's most likely a whole slew of things she could bend besides just earth.
Overall, this episode was excellent despite its cliffhanger. Just on a side note, I don't like the way they portray Ty Lee and Mai's relationship with Azula. Ty Lee was forced to join Azula in a dangerous anner, yet she lacks no love for the girl. I think this is a bit of overabundance of crazy happiness induced in her by the creators.
On another side note.....Hakoda....is hot.
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bluetarako
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Katara/Zuko, Yin/Yang, Oma/Shu, anyone seeing a theme?
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Post by bluetarako on Dec 4, 2006 10:00:16 GMT -5
lmao Hakoda is cute, Zuko is hot. ;D But yeah, I'm sticking with the "Zuko has a plan" theory. And when he finally does join the Gaang, I agree that he and Katara could become really close friends, if not more. I just wish their moment in the cave hadn't been interrupted by Aang and his jealous glare. That was funny.
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Post by fallingfromgrace on Dec 4, 2006 15:50:53 GMT -5
I love this show...and the season finale was amazing although i have to admit i had to watch it twice for it to really sink in =]
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Post by fallingfromgrace on Dec 4, 2006 15:52:18 GMT -5
i liked the guru he was cool although they spent alot of time on truckas for only an hour episode
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khdou
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Long live the Fire Nation (and Country)
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Post by khdou on Dec 4, 2006 17:08:59 GMT -5
WOW. That's the one-word description of the finale. Personally, I was upset at the fact that Zuko turned so optimistic and happy in the beginning. It was completely out of character. However, when he and Iroh were at the Earth King's Palace, he was determined to fight Azula, "I'm tired of running away", and got thrown into the crystal caverns. And he later decides to join her, which was completely the opposite. His personality is too capricious, unless he has a plan, which I doubt will work very well. One of the only good points about this for me is that Zutara is almost impossible I'm like one of the only people against that... [backs away slowly from the fangirls and their death glares] Other than that, it was a good episode with a lot of turns and good fight scenes. So, the Earth Kingdom has fallen and the Fire Nation knows of their invasion at the eclipse, is there any way to win? We'll find out in season 3.
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Post by conspiracytheorist on Dec 4, 2006 18:09:40 GMT -5
conspiracy, you do have some points. they should have drawn out the finale a bit longer; unfortunately they had to do it in 2 episodes. It would have been better in 3 episodes, but oh well. Some of the holes might be explained next season, we will just have to see. The second finale IMO was supposed to deal with inner conflicts, issues that are more emotional than physical. The octopus move you saw was being taught to Aang by Katara in the Cave of Two Lovers, right in the beginning; Master Pakku never does this move. When Pathik is talking about how Aang would not be able enter the Avatar State at all, he meant that he would have to open them all, or else it would not work; one blocked chakra would spell disaster. So, Aang is able to open it at the end, allowing him access at that moment. Only one thing bothered me about this: Why was the Avatar State able to work when all 7 chakras were blocked? I think Pathik only meant that Aang would not be able to control his actions, only watch helplessly as a spectator as the power consumed his body for whatever purpose. I agree that the finale should have been longer. I assume that 99% of the people on this board have seen "Siege of the North" parts 1 and 2, and I was amazed to see on the poll here on the board that people were voting more for this season's finale than for the first one. The Book One season finale was clearly superior in my mind. This was what my big ol' rant was directed at. We're just taking whatever they're giving us and not looking for more. But enough of that. Ah! I remember Katara teaching Aang that move now. That's interesting - I guess that's one of her own design, since we didn't see Pakku teach it to her in the first season. Thanks for pointing this out. I don't agree with your explanation of Pathik's comment on the Avatar State, though. You dismiss Pathik's statement: "If you leave now, you won't be able to go into the Avatar State at all!" as something entirely different than the actual statement. The fact is that Aang did leave in the middle of opening all seven chakras, so he shouldn't have been able to "go into the Avatar State AT ALL." Pathik doesn't say that he simply wouldn't have control, or that he could just go back and reverse it whenever, he expressly states that Aang won't be able to go back at all. To me, this is just poor wording on the writing team's part. There will undoubtedly be some resistance. They couldn't make twenty whole episodes out of Aang and Co. trying to penetrate the Fire Nation and stop the Fire Lord from executing his comet-based plan for global domination. We'll probably see Sokka's dad again, as well as Bumi (he's still biding his time at Omashu) and I'll bet that Season 3 starts at the South Pole (after the Earth King gets dropped off wherever - I hope he doesn't join the gang as some are speculating =/). I think you misunderstood me here. I was just expressing that I felt that the confrontation between Long Feng and Azula was completely unnecessary. The whole chain of events didn't quite fit together - Feng didn't deliver the Avatar to Azula, he came of his own free will. If Azula knew that she could sway the Dai Lee, she shouldn't have been so dramatic as to let Long Feng attempt to double cross her; she should have dealt with him before there was even the slightest chance that he could pose a problem for her. Agreed. That would be nice, but I don't want to be too optimistic. ;p The first season of Avatar was amazing. I've introduced people who would never admit to watching anything on Nickelodeon in a million years to it and they have fallen in love with the show as a result. You can't do that with the second season. The visuals are prettier on the surface for the second, but the different animation studios can throw you for a loop, and season one's were smoother overall. The first had less fillers, more of a definite plot, scripts were better written, the finale was one of the greatest animated hours of TV I've ever seen - I could go on and on. I would love for the third season to be on par with the first. But right now I think I'd settle for just better than the second (at least take away the meaningless fillers plz kthx!1).
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Post by ddkhslayer on Dec 4, 2006 18:53:02 GMT -5
conspericy, your not suppost to notice all those little things. but you do make some points about the time wasted. there was too much fitted into 2 episodes, i would have been more saticfiyed(bad spellin i know it) if they extended the season to 22 episodes or whatever. but o well, what you going to do?
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Post by conspiracytheorist on Dec 4, 2006 19:56:20 GMT -5
conspericy, your not suppost to notice all those little things. but you do make some points about the time wasted. there was too much fitted into 2 episodes, i would have been more saticfiyed(bad spellin i know it) if they extended the season to 22 episodes or whatever. but o well, what you going to do? Why shouldn't I notice all the little things? It's a bunch of little things all put together that make the show what it is, after all. I'm not the type to say "AMAZING!" after every episode airs. I'd actually like it to be worthy of that kind of praise before I give it out.
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Post by bomeraangsquad on Dec 4, 2006 20:03:33 GMT -5
I personally likes season 2 finale much better. I liked the bending battles and characters much more.
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historyman12
Fugitive Iroh
IS IT JULY 14TH YET?
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Post by historyman12 on Dec 5, 2006 16:35:41 GMT -5
I just realized somethins ironic. Katara reports non Fire nation infiltrator Fire Nation infiltrators to the real Fire nation infiltrators. I dunno
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Post by bomeraangsquad on Dec 5, 2006 16:53:51 GMT -5
I don't quite follow you there^
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Post by assdotmandot on Dec 5, 2006 18:05:08 GMT -5
I read this from his eyes: Zutara ain't gonna happen!
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mellomuse
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"In the darkest times, hope is something you give yourself."
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Post by mellomuse on Dec 5, 2006 19:33:22 GMT -5
I read this from his eyes: Zutara ain't gonna happen! ;D I read this from his eyes: Would've, if you hadn't barged in! You little...
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Post by ddkhslayer on Dec 5, 2006 20:41:08 GMT -5
lol nice... thats so what is happening!
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taechunsa
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A wise man enjoys life's simple pleasures.
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Post by taechunsa on Dec 6, 2006 3:06:49 GMT -5
All in all I was pretty disappointed with the final two episodes. Sure there were some good scenes, but there were a lot of wasted scenes as well.
Toph seemed to serve no purpose in the finally other then to create a quick in for Iroh with the group. As much as I like Toph I would have preferred that she stayed captured so her time could have been better spent on other elements. The addition of Toph was necessary for Aang to learn earthbending for the second season, but they should have taken the out for her to get recaptured and removed from the story for the third chapter. There just isn't enough time to develop all of the main characters and Toph.
The entire part of Sokka going to see his father was pretty much a pointless waste of time. What did we learn from all of the time spent? Nothing worth the damage done to other more important elements.
What was gained from the whole Katara and Zuko stuck in the cave together scene? Nothing worth the loss in time to other more important elements. Bring Iroh along could have just as easily been achieved by sticking them in separate cells and letting them do some soul searching.
Mainly, this episode should have been almost entirely focused on Aang's struggle with unlocking the Chakras and Zuko's continuing struggle with finding his place in the world. The rest was mostly wasted time that would have been better spent on these two elements.
Actually, I think the whole releasing the Chakra thing should have been a season in and of itself. This was as important as learning any bending and instead of an entire season we get two episodes. But that is neither here nor there.
Another problem with the ending was its near steadfast conformity to the standard archetypical storyline used in Star Wars and The Matrix. Was there anyone who didn't see the whole “you must let Katara go to save the world” scene coming about a dozen episodes ago? I believe we have all seen the same thing done twice in Star Wars (Ep III and V) and once in Matrix (Ep II). While I realize that the story is very much centered in Eastern beliefs and this is coming from those beliefs, do any of us really want to watch an Aang from The Serpent Pass where he has removed himself from all Earthly attachments and cares? I know I wouldn't watch it for very long.
I am sad to say that the direction of the Avatar series seems to be moving much the same as the Matrix movies did, farther and farther from the basics which originally made it great.
I am still holding out hope that season 3 will redeem itself, but I believe it is going to take some sacrifices and changes. The main characters need to be brought back to the fundamental focus; Aang, Katara, Sokka, Zuko, and Iroh. These are the main characters of the story, and should be the primary focus. I like Toph, but she has served her purpose and it is time for her to move into the realm of Jet, Suki, and the other supporting cast.
The relationships need to be focused back on the fundamental relationships which have been developing since the first episode. Aang crushing on Katara, Katara an unknown, Zuko dealing with his family relationships.
So here is to hoping for a return to the quality of the first season in the third.
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