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Post by Gran Gran on May 27, 2009 0:45:53 GMT -5
There is a discussion out, and now with the political climate - hopefully - less influenced by the religious right we might actually see something happen. But it took a few centuries before divorce became legal (not just the man kicking the woman out) so this might take a while as well.
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Post by Consonant*** on Jun 6, 2009 20:50:58 GMT -5
There is a discussion out, and now with the political climate - hopefully - less influenced by the religious right we might actually see something happen. But it took a few centuries before divorce became legal (not just the man kicking the woman out) so this might take a while as well. Religious Right my Equus asinus, this law can be directly attributed to the millions of ignorant Californians who voted for the first time in their lives because Barack Obama is black so they have vote for the black man. Also so they don't have to pay for their homes.
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Post by luthien on Jun 6, 2009 20:59:46 GMT -5
Wait, so you're saying the passage of Prop 8 is directly attributable to first-time black voters? I think that's simplifying things way too much. Let me know, by the way, if I'm totally mis-interpreting this - that's just how I happened to read it.
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Post by Consonant*** on Jun 6, 2009 22:38:26 GMT -5
Wait, so you're saying the passage of Prop 8 is directly attributable to first-time black voters? I think that's simplifying things way too much. Let me know, by the way, if I'm totally mis-interpreting this - that's just how I happened to read it. I think they were what tipped the balance. I don't think Prop 8 would have passed if Hillary Clinton were the candidate.
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Post by Grandi on Jun 13, 2009 4:25:55 GMT -5
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Post by asian malaysian on Aug 4, 2010 18:13:00 GMT -5
Proposition 8 — which ruled same-sex couples could not marry in California — was overturned in the state today by a judge claiming the proposition was unconstitutional. Judge Vaughn R. Walker ruled that due-process and equal-protection clauses conflicted with the proposition. The overturning of the 2008 proposition was fueled by several Hollywood figures, like Bruce Cohen, Rob Reiner, and Dustin Lance Black, who all encouraged attorneys Theodore Olson and David Boies to head the case, The Hollywood Reporter reports. “It was a great moment,” Cohen said. “We were hoping that Judge Walker, when he heard all the evidence which we heard in court, would come to the conclusion that there is no doubt that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional, but to have it be official and to see it…is incredibly thrilling and exciting.” news-briefs.ew.com/2010/08/04/prop-8-overturned-in-california/
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Post by Sheogorath on Aug 5, 2010 10:47:24 GMT -5
Proposition 8 — which ruled same-sex couples could not marry in California — was overturned in the state today by a judge claiming the proposition was unconstitutional. Judge Vaughn R. Walker ruled that due-process and equal-protection clauses conflicted with the proposition. The overturning of the 2008 proposition was fueled by several Hollywood figures, like Bruce Cohen, Rob Reiner, and Dustin Lance Black, who all encouraged attorneys Theodore Olson and David Boies to head the case, The Hollywood Reporter reports. “It was a great moment,” Cohen said. “We were hoping that Judge Walker, when he heard all the evidence which we heard in court, would come to the conclusion that there is no doubt that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional, but to have it be official and to see it…is incredibly thrilling and exciting.” news-briefs.ew.com/2010/08/04/prop-8-overturned-in-california/Problem is, the decision can still be appealed.
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Post by asian malaysian on Aug 5, 2010 20:12:33 GMT -5
^^ Im pretty sure it will. If it goes all the way, we may have a Supreme Court decision on the matter. I see it as a good thing though. Quick fixes never seem to last.
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Post by Korra on Aug 5, 2010 22:35:25 GMT -5
Hey, y'all! Yes, you. Everyone who voted for Proposition 8 in California, and everyone who's voted for similar measures in Arizona or elsewhere, and don't forget the people who want the appeal to go through and reverse the unconstitutional ruling. Come on down. Have a seat. Have a beer. I'd like just a moment of your time; I promise I'll go quickly, and I won't swear. Everybody with me?
So I'm sure you're feeling pretty hurt today that we finally go a small amount of hope, but there's hope for you. You're appealing the ruling. It isn't every day you get a golden opportunity to hurt thousands of people who never did a thing to you, in exchange for zero benefit to yourself or to society. You sure showed those people who were just looking to share their lives with the person they love, didn't you? Awesome work, and I hate to be a party pooper at this, your great moment of triumph over the homosexuals. But today, of all days, it seems necessary to remind you of one thing that, I suspect, you already know deep down.
You're going to lose.
You do recognize that, right? I mean, 150 years ago, your philosophical forebears kept black men as slaves. A hundred years ago, your philosophical forebears outlawed marriage between a white woman and a black man. People like you denied blacks the vote, denied women the vote, tacitly allowed marital rape, segregated the schools, and burned down stores with Jewish owners. And recently, a man that people like you once enslaved, the product of a union that people like you once forbade, was elected President of the United States of America in part by citizens that people like you once disenfranchised. The slaveowners, the segregationists, the Klan, the rest of it, all of them are gone or marginalized, sad jokes, and the only thing separating you from them is just a little more time. A little.
And you do know it. I can see it in your panicky faces. You managed to get a cheap amendment passed in 2008, and now it's being appeal, a stopgap against a tide you can't stem, but you know and I know that amendments get repealed. Laws get changed. Oh, you may still have a decade, give or take, to put your pitiful boot down on a group that still distresses enough of your peers to make it unprotected. But within your lifetime, it's going to happen. Gay men, and gay women, will be married. Not engaged in a "civil union," but married. To each other! They'll share their names, homes, and lives; they'll have the sex you can't bear to think about, in the context of a legally recognized relationship. Then, you know what they'll do? They'll adopt and raise children. They'll join the PTA at your grandkids' school. And you - as marginalized as the "separate-but-equal" shlubs became after the 60's - you'll see it happen. And you'll sit muttering into your bib about how things used to be, and members of a generation who never knew anything but equal marriage rights for all will nod politely and move away, pausing maybe to wipe the creamed corn off your chin.
It's coming, and we all know it. We know it because the natural direction of this society has always been toward more freedom, more rationality, more common decency. We move in pathetically small increments sometimes, mostly because of people like you, but we keep on moving and we're going to move right on past your outmoded mind. And there is nothing - nothing - that you can do about it.
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Post by Sheogorath on Aug 6, 2010 10:08:18 GMT -5
^^ Im pretty sure it will. If it goes all the way, we may have a Supreme Court decision on the matter. I see it as a good thing though. Quick fixes never seem to last. True. But my allusion was that it could in fact go all the way to the top, but they could decide that marriage is only between a man and a woman. They did change what cops say when they arrest you, as well as what happens within the first two weeks after being arrested because of it, after all.
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Post by goten0040 on Aug 6, 2010 11:26:58 GMT -5
Well said, Korra. I have my fingers crossed myself. Marriage should be about LOVE not gender.
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Post by asian malaysian on Aug 6, 2010 23:57:48 GMT -5
^^ Im pretty sure it will. If it goes all the way, we may have a Supreme Court decision on the matter. I see it as a good thing though. Quick fixes never seem to last. True. But my allusion was that it could in fact go all the way to the top, but they could decide that marriage is only between a man and a woman. They did change what cops say when they arrest you, as well as what happens within the first two weeks after being arrested because of it, after all. I cant imagine the Supreme Court coming up with that kind of ruling but I admit the risk is there. Sometimes you just have to roll the hard eight.
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Post by asian malaysian on Feb 9, 2012 1:21:37 GMT -5
Limited but still loving it: "Proposition 8 operates with no apparent purpose but to impose on gays and lesbians, through the public law, a majority's private disapproval of them and their relationships," Judge Stephen Reinhardt www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-prop8-20120208,0,7729505.story
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Post by Horyo on Feb 13, 2012 20:39:06 GMT -5
I personally don't see their act as necessary, other than drawing criticism to themselves. California's Constitution is pretty fluid and will change on a whim of the people. Considering the general shift towards gay rights equality, prop 8 would have been amended anyway.
Still, I guess the courts interfering is kinda cool too.
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Post by asian malaysian on Feb 15, 2012 1:26:56 GMT -5
Ive already said what my druthers are earlier in this thread but Ill gladly take this. When all is said and done, this was the one blight from the last election Im glad to have done with before the next.
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