Grandi
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Post by Grandi on Sept 25, 2008 7:34:26 GMT -5
GET READY FOR MAJOR SWEARS, DON'T SCROLL DOWN IF YOU'RE FAINT OF HEART
retard
dick
For example:
twig Cheney's use of lobbyists does nothing but dum dum the political process.
vs
Dick Cheney's use of lobbyists does nothing but retard the political process.
C'mon now, I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks these need to be filtered. And whoever put them on should feel very silly.
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 25, 2008 11:22:17 GMT -5
I dunno, but twig Cheney has that special charm...and we all know that the other word is hardly ever used the way you suggested.
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Post by godhunter on Sept 25, 2008 11:25:51 GMT -5
If they were used most often like that then I doubt that they would have ever been filtered. They're obviously in there because they are used more often in a derogatory sense and seeing as how calling someone a retard is not something we particularly want to see it is censored. As for Dick, I can't see any appropriate use for it besides for the name, as you pointed out, unless you're talking about a penis and chances are their aren't going to be many proper conversations about that on the general boards of this forum.
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Grandi
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Post by Grandi on Sept 25, 2008 11:33:02 GMT -5
Believe it or not there are plenty of people named Dick. And with the second most powerful man in America (where most of the forumers come from) it doesn't seem like too much to ask.
Hell I know two people named dick myself.
Also retard can not only mean to slow progress, it can refer to a mental disability or it can mean something someone says is dumb.
I mean if you're willing to censor retard then you might as well censor "Idiot, moron, stupid, jerk, dumb" those words have no alternate uses whatsoever.
Why the hell would you leave a word with dual meanings censored but not obvious ones is beyond me. Or rather you're just disagreeing because I'm Grandi.
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Post by godhunter on Sept 25, 2008 11:47:44 GMT -5
Grandi, those words you listed are generally considered to be less offensive to people. We know the meanings of Retard and it was decided that its use in the derogitory sense is more prominent than the proper uses of the word.
I also know a few people named dick, but once again the derogitory sense overpowers the use of the names.
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Grandi
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Post by Grandi on Sept 25, 2008 11:49:09 GMT -5
Grandi, those words you listed are generally considered to be less offensive to people. That doesn't make much sense. If I called someone an "idiot moron" as opposed to "mentally challenged" do you think they would be less offended? |
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 25, 2008 16:47:41 GMT -5
gawd Grandi....we have been over that so many times.
Seems ret*rd carries more weight, as semi scientific phrase. And I have not seen too many people write anything about the current VP, so his nickname still remains reserved to hurl insults.
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Grandi
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Post by Grandi on Sept 25, 2008 17:00:44 GMT -5
Seems ret*rd carries more weight, as semi scientific phrase. wat? PS. srsly preschool wordfilter |
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Post by night on Sept 25, 2008 17:02:14 GMT -5
I just don't see the big deal in censoring petty words such as "mentally challenged person", even with your explanations. If I recall, this forum is meant to be for persons over the age of 13. I'm sure 13 year olds can handle the word mentally challenged person, among other things. =/
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Post by username on Sept 25, 2008 17:03:31 GMT -5
Retard isn't technically a profanity, any weight it carries is based purely on its use and meaning. Therefore a censorship is meaningless, the meaning and intent are still there, all that is gone is the word, which was never bad to begin with.
Penis and vagina are technical terms. The only instance in which I can see them being used is in rather inoffensive reference to the body parts.
While this may be true for "retard" it is less so with "retarded."
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Post by historyman12 on Sept 25, 2008 17:33:13 GMT -5
gawd Grandi....we have been over that so many times. Seems ret*rd carries more weight, as semi scientific phrase. And I have not seen too many people write anything about the current VP, so his nickname still remains reserved to hurl insults. Actually, dumb, idiot and moron were/not really are scientific terms |
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 25, 2008 18:38:03 GMT -5
gawd Grandi....we have been over that so many times. Seems ret*rd carries more weight, as semi scientific phrase. And I have not seen too many people write anything about the current VP, so his nickname still remains reserved to hurl insults. Actually, dumb, idiot and moron were/not really are scientific terms Didn't say there were. However scientific and semi scientific terms have been historically used to discredit individuals and groups. And just because a term actually has an original non- judgmental meaning does not mean it is still used in this way or main stream. As to body parts....well, you can't show a topless woman either, even if it is in the most natural non arousing manner. And for technical terms, hardly anybody refers to a female dog when uttering the term 'bi tch' either. So it seems the swear filter is playing the laws of probability by censoring the most likely uses of a word in question. |
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Post by username on Sept 25, 2008 18:44:29 GMT -5
As to body parts....well, you can't show a topless woman either, even if it is in the most natural non arousing manner. And for technical terms, hardly anybody refers to a female dog when uttering the term 'bi tch' either. So it seems the swear filter is playing the laws of probability by censoring the most likely uses of a word in question. The examples used are completely irrelevant, and the "laws of probability" claim is completely unfounded. It's one thing to post a picture of a pe nis or vagina, and another thing entirely to just use the words. It's like censoring the word "pornography" or "violence." It doesn't make any sense. Even if they were to be used in an offensive way, which is unlikely, they would still carry the original intent. And seeing as they are not "bad words" the censorship is thus meaningless. If a word is not offensive in itself, and it is the meaning that is considered offensive, there is absolutely no point to the censorship. |
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Grandi
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Post by Grandi on Sept 25, 2008 19:47:04 GMT -5
The examples used are completely irrelevant, and the "laws of probability" claim is completely unfounded. 'tis a logical fallacy Besides even if people do abuse it, that's what mods and admins are for. Don't ruin it for the good posters because the rare chance of a bad apple coming out. |
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 25, 2008 20:08:32 GMT -5
The examples used are completely irrelevant, and the "laws of probability" claim is completely unfounded. 'tis a logical fallacy Besides even if people do abuse it, that's what mods and admins are for. Don't ruin it for the good posters because the rare chance of a bad apple coming out. Do I understand that correct: It is probable that people will use word X in the correct manner ergo it will happen? According to Wiki, it's a logical fallacy. Unfortunately the rare apple would use the word as originally intended, the majority doesn't that's how the words got onto the index in the first place. |
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