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Post by ƒelinoel on Oct 4, 2008 13:19:24 GMT -5
well than who are the original water benders? Wasnt the moon the first waterbender? Not an animal... But hey... Go with it... Well the moon is that koi fish, so in a sense it is an animal
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Post by asian malaysian on Oct 5, 2008 22:20:42 GMT -5
According to Yue, the legends said the moon was the first waterbender and that her ancestors saw how it pushed and pulled the tides and learned how to do it themselves. I think the legends referred to the moon in its actual form in the sky. I dont think that Yue just forgot to mention that the moon spirit was swimming in the pond right in front of them the whole time; she really didnt know because it wasnt part of the legend.
It is remarkable that the creators didnt come up with a water-bending animal. Perhaps they didnt want to detract from the sense of spirituality in the SoTN episodes.
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Post by ~*~WhItEsHeEp~*~ on Oct 6, 2008 11:04:56 GMT -5
well shouldnt there be a waterbending animal though? cuz the fire benders learned from the dragons, the earth benders learned from the badgermoles, and the air benders learned from the sky bison. So what about the water benders? fromt the moon? thats kinda weird but, ya, it is spiritual
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Post by ƒelinoel on Oct 7, 2008 12:39:54 GMT -5
According to Yue, the legends said the moon was the first waterbender and that her ancestors saw how it pushed and pulled the tides and learned how to do it themselves. I think the legends referred to the moon in its actual form in the sky. I dont think that Yue just forgot to mention that the moon spirit was swimming in the pond right in front of them the whole time; she really didnt know because it wasnt part of the legend. It is remarkable that the creators didnt come up with a water-bending animal. Perhaps they didnt want to detract from the sense of spirituality in the SoTN episodes. The moon is a fish though
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Post by Avatar:The Dawning Of Darkness on Oct 7, 2008 14:05:28 GMT -5
According to Yue, the legends said the moon was the first waterbender and that her ancestors saw how it pushed and pulled the tides and learned how to do it themselves. I think the legends referred to the moon in its actual form in the sky. I dont think that Yue just forgot to mention that the moon spirit was swimming in the pond right in front of them the whole time; she really didnt know because it wasnt part of the legend. It is remarkable that the creators didnt come up with a water-bending animal. Perhaps they didnt want to detract from the sense of spirituality in the SoTN episodes. The moon is a fish though The moon SPIRIT is a fish... But not the moon its self...
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Post by asian malaysian on Oct 7, 2008 20:26:27 GMT -5
^^ Exactly. In their mortal form, neither the ocean spirit or the moon spirit seem capable of water bending. Swimming doesnt count.
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Post by Avatar:The Dawning Of Darkness on Oct 7, 2008 20:36:49 GMT -5
^^ Exactly. In their mortal form, neither the ocean spirit or the moon spirit seem capable of water bending. Swimming doesnt count. Their only job is to exist... So thats all they can pretty much do... that and swim... As long as the moon spirit is alive, the moon will pull the waves... And as long as the ocean spirit is alive, the ocean will do its ocean thing, with tides, currents, and what not...
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Post by tearofmist on Feb 6, 2009 0:01:03 GMT -5
Anyway... I've got a new Lion Turtle theory. I know this topic is a half-abandoned, but this idea keeps on recurring in my brain... for some reason, whenever the turtle is mentioned, it reminds me of the white lotus group...
Old and Wise... peaceful... of all four nations.... don't you think it reminds you of the white lotus?
As for of all the four nations "before... people bended energies within themselves..."... then perhaps their energies were of all elements... and everyone can spiritbend?
Perhaps it was a lion-turtle who brought the idea of the white lotus group... perhaps it was even one who started the white lotus? Well... Thtat's just my theory... just needed to get it out of my system. XD
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Post by asian malaysian on Feb 6, 2009 2:39:45 GMT -5
^Well the lion-turtle apparently predates the Avatar and so the art of bending matter instead of spirits. It may be possible that the lion-turle predates the founding of the four nations as well. If so, I suppose all kinds of groups and philosophies can have their genesis attributed to the lion-turtle. Ill admit that Ive pondered about the lion-turtle's tattoos: And even wondered if the pattern on the top of its shell was a lotus symbol (which it isnt): but have never been able to come to any firm conclusions.
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Post by spook510 on Feb 13, 2009 16:55:10 GMT -5
My very first post (be gentle):
I like to think of the Lion Turtle as the embodiment of an ancient spirit that predates the corporeal life in the Avatar Universe, probably spirit of the earth or world. I believe that it was with his and the various other greater spirit's (ie. moon, etc) knowledge and power that life was able to take hold and eventually learn the art of bending.
We know that this eventually lead to the human population and their grasp of the art of 'bending'. Which in turn leads to root problem throughout series, balance. I believe these greater spirits felt the duty to provide a balancing mechanism, the Avatar.
So what am I saying?
I think the Lion Turtle was NOT the original Avatar but one of the creators of The Avatar therefore having an in depth knowledge of the Avatar abilities, powers, and purpose. I think that this power comes from the ability to harness previous lives (spirits) power. The original Avatar was probably only able to bend his or her own specific skill, while the second could only do the two, and so on until the 4th was born bending in all forms. So in Aang's case it took his 100's of lives to finally figure out that taking life is simply not necessary.
A very similar thought, story, or example may exist in Neo of the Matrix and his relationship to the oracle/father... 'the one'... although I really hate to bring that up as an analogy.
------ Spook
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Post by Avatar Aang on Apr 21, 2009 13:07:53 GMT -5
I think the Lion Turtle as a pre-Avatar. The Lion Turtle says something about not bending in the era BEFORE the Avatar. So, I guess the Lion Turtle must be some pre-avatar god thingie. Not only can he do something hardly any avatar has done before, but he has lived in the era before the Avatar (But probably loads of people have).
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