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Post by Empy on Jun 24, 2007 21:01:08 GMT -5
I honestly don't think that Katara's motherly nature would help Zuko, if anything it would make him more reliant on others. To me, this would be a step backwards in his character since he needs to make decisions independantly. He is just learning that skill now and I think Mai would understand that. *is not making sense =P* I think I get what you're saying. Emphasis on think, because I could be missing the point entirely, but this is how I read it: throughout the show Zuko has kind of learned to stand on his own and solve his own problems. Katara's mothering nature, while good for Aang, would not help Zuko because he's still learning how to live on his own and would possibly revert him back to S1 Zuko. Mai, on the other hand, is more likely to give him a boot in the butt in the right direction. Yes, that was what I was going for! @holierthanthat- Well, most people on DH call me Empy for short. You can call me EM if you want though ^_^ @ana- True, also I couldn't see Zuko standing around while Katara tries to "Fix" him. To me, that would be something that drives them further apart rather than closer together.
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Post by RadiantBeam on Jun 24, 2007 21:06:59 GMT -5
I think I get what you're saying. Emphasis on think, because I could be missing the point entirely, but this is how I read it: throughout the show Zuko has kind of learned to stand on his own and solve his own problems. Katara's mothering nature, while good for Aang, would not help Zuko because he's still learning how to live on his own and would possibly revert him back to S1 Zuko. Mai, on the other hand, is more likely to give him a boot in the butt in the right direction. Yes, that was what I was going for! Really? Dang...
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Post by Monk on Jun 24, 2007 21:18:43 GMT -5
One of Mai's constant problems which seems to plague her dialogue is boredom, and I am still trying to figure out what about Zuko's visible personality which would satisfy this problem of Mai's. Though it is interesting that Mai's boredom does not appear to be manifested when she was young in Zuko's flashback, because she oddly seemed content with herself even.
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Post by RadiantBeam on Jun 24, 2007 22:10:36 GMT -5
I think Mai isn't so much bored as she just masks her emotions by claiming to be bored. In the "Zuko Alone" flashback her feelings for Zuko were much more apparent, which led to her being teased by Azula and Ty Lee. We don't know what happened between then and "Return to Omashu", but it's safe to assume that at some point Mai decided it was a better idea to hide her emotions then show them like Ty Lee does.
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Post by Holierthanthou on Jun 25, 2007 10:45:15 GMT -5
One of Mai's constant problems which seems to plague her dialogue is boredom, and I am still trying to figure out what about Zuko's visible personality which would satisfy this problem of Mai's. Though it is interesting that Mai's boredom does not appear to be manifested when she was young in Zuko's flashback, because she oddly seemed content with herself even. How could she get bored? Zuko has this habit of never staying on the same side for long. She'd never have to endure the same scenery for more than a few days! In all seriousness, I agree with RadiantBeam (you got a nickname too?) I think it is sometimes just a facade to hide her emotions. I mean, being around a sadist for your childhood would certainly teach you not to reveal what's close to you.
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Post by RadiantBeam on Jun 25, 2007 13:42:44 GMT -5
@holier (can I call you that?): My pals either call me Rai or RB. And I agree with you on that point; Azula has been shown to take pleasure in hurting people based off their emotions, and as much as I think she has potential to be redeemed, right now she's not the nicest person to be around.
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Post by Holierthanthou on Jun 26, 2007 19:31:45 GMT -5
@holier (can I call you that?): My pals either call me Rai or RB. And I agree with you on that point; Azula has been shown to take pleasure in hurting people based off their emotions, and as much as I think she has potential to be redeemed, right now she's not the nicest person to be around. Sure you can call me that! People call me Holier, HTT, Holy, Mr. Holy (that was only once), and the full thing. You think she can be redeemed! How?
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Post by Monk on Jun 26, 2007 23:04:33 GMT -5
Now on the "Which girl deserves Zuko" thread there is a discussion regarding the benefits to the reformation of the Fire Nation between Mai and Katara. The Zutarians seem to think that Katara will be a source of positive change for the Fire Nation as the firelady, much like with Zuko. However, I happen to think that Katara (the Vindictive) would treat the Fire Nation like the Allies did Germany post-WW1. And based upon what they know of Mai, they do not think that she would do much of anything in her position. So apart from the political and cultural benefits that Mai would bring, what does current knowledge regarding her character indicate about how she would contribute as firelady?
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Post by Lanugi on Jun 27, 2007 0:13:07 GMT -5
Monk: At this point in the show, I'm not really sure. We haven't seen much regarding Mai's personality, aside from the apathetic teen and the shy little girl. I think we would need to see S3 to determine the answer to that question. Though, I think Mai would have more experience being the Fire Lady then Katara, since Mai is the daughter of a governor, and probably knows more about politics.
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Post by Monk on Jun 27, 2007 0:25:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I know, we have seen very little of Mai in Season 2. She showed up occasionally, and spoke on rarer occasions. That is one of the primary reasons why I am looking forward to Season 3, as there is a great deal which we do not know about Mai, Ty Lee, and in some respects Zuko.
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Post by RadiantBeam on Jun 27, 2007 8:57:13 GMT -5
@holier (can I call you that?): My pals either call me Rai or RB. And I agree with you on that point; Azula has been shown to take pleasure in hurting people based off their emotions, and as much as I think she has potential to be redeemed, right now she's not the nicest person to be around. Sure you can call me that! People call me Holier, HTT, Holy, Mr. Holy (that was only once), and the full thing. You think she can be redeemed! How? Well... I mean, we don't really know much about her, right? Like Zuko in S1, but slowly we learned more about him and learned that he was a halfway decent guy. Maybe Azula could be the same. Although, even if it was mean-spirited, I cracked up a bit at her apple prank on Mai and Zuko.
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Post by Holierthanthou on Jun 27, 2007 10:08:15 GMT -5
Sure you can call me that! People call me Holier, HTT, Holy, Mr. Holy (that was only once), and the full thing. You think she can be redeemed! How? Well... I mean, we don't really know much about her, right? Like Zuko in S1, but slowly we learned more about him and learned that he was a halfway decent guy. Maybe Azula could be the same. Although, even if it was mean-spirited, I cracked up a bit at her apple prank on Mai and Zuko. I loved the line, "It's ok, you can laugh...it's funny" and her Zuko imitation was dead-on. lol
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Post by Aibhill on Jun 27, 2007 10:44:03 GMT -5
I've always felt a bit sorry for Azula since Zuko Alone. I always got the impression (maybe its just me) that Ursa paid more attention to Zuko and Ozai paid more attention to Azula. Maybe she was a bit jealous of Zuko that Ursa liked him more?
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Post by Holierthanthou on Jun 27, 2007 11:25:01 GMT -5
I've always felt a bit sorry for Azula since Zuko Alone. I always got the impression (maybe its just me) that Ursa paid more attention to Zuko and Ozai paid more attention to Azula. Maybe she was a bit jealous of Zuko that Ursa liked him more? That's actually a good theory, but it still doesn't make up (for me) that she was very evil for all of S2. Who knows, maybe she was sincere when she offered Zuko his honor in CoD. ' Wow, next thing you know she'll be helping out Maiko! Do you think there are any ways she could help Maiko? Unintentionally of course.
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Post by Aibhill on Jun 27, 2007 12:14:58 GMT -5
Maybe Mai will learn of some plan to kill/re-banish Zuko and will be forced to chose her loyalties. If Azula was planning to do something to her precious Zuko, Mai would be have to sort out her priorities and hopefully (probably) would chose Zuko. Azula might be the pressure Mai needs to get out of her shell. Or maybe I'm out on a limb.
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