Maiko Cruise Ship Pirate Pool Party XVII

[RadiantBeam]

empyrealmaiden said:

Politically Maiko would be good since Mai is of nobility even though Zuko no longer is. If he did take to the throne I doubt that the FN would want him to marry someone outside their country and probably would hate it if he married someone who helped engineer their defeat (referring to Katara) With Mai I can see more public support since she's been raised with politics. She knows all the customs, traditions, nuances that come with being nobility.

Exactly.

That's something often ignored by some Zutara fics. While I'm sure that in time the FN would accept Katara, they sure as heck wouldn't be happy about it for awhile. Mai is a better choice for Zuko right off the bat because she's FN, she's grown up among royalty, and she knows the customs. Doesn't mean she likes them, but she knows them.

[LiveInThaskyE]

empyrealmaiden said:

Politically Maiko would be good since Mai is of nobility even though Zuko no longer is. If he did take to the throne I doubt that the FN would want him to marry someone outside their country and probably would hate it if he married someone who helped engineer their defeat (referring to Katara) With Mai I can see more public support since she's been raised with politics. She knows all the customs, traditions, nuances that come with being nobility.

Which means,Maiko=perfect fit(at least politically). Like you said,she knows all the regularities of the FN life so their is so no adjustment period like if Katara or anyone else would need to have. Having someone other than FN or royal blood would cause uneeded strife. Mai would help smooth the transition after Aang ends the war.

[shrike]

It would definitely be in the best interest of all the nations, not just the Fire Nation. The last thing they need is the rise of an ultranationalist government.

[Empy]

radiantbeam said:

empyrealmaiden said:

Politically Maiko would be good since Mai is of nobility even though Zuko no longer is. If he did take to the throne I doubt that the FN would want him to marry someone outside their country and probably would hate it if he married someone who helped engineer their defeat (referring to Katara) With Mai I can see more public support since she's been raised with politics. She knows all the customs, traditions, nuances that come with being nobility.

Exactly.

That's something often ignored by some Zutara fics. While I'm sure that in time the FN would accept Katara, they sure as heck wouldn't be happy about it for awhile. Mai is a better choice for Zuko right off the bat because she's FN, she's grown up among royalty, and she knows the customs. Doesn't mean she likes them, but she knows them.

Yeah, I don't appreciate it when in some Zutar fics they just go "And Katara and Zuko lived happily ever after... (And had liek 30 bajilion kids)" Because I know it wouldn't work out like that. Katara would face a lot of people who doubt her and she would have to disprove them. The FIre Nation is rich in history and has a culture completely different than what she's used to, she's not going to learn all the customs in a day. Probably not even a year. I'm not saying she'd make a bad FIre Lady but I just can't see her suddenly knowing everything about the country she married into in like a week.

[Holierthanthou]

Now maybe I just don't like Zutara, but I always though Katara would get assassinated if she tried to marry into the FN royal family. I can see her Fire Nation Royal funeral.

"Today we honor Fire Lady Katara. Mother of *looks at list* Holy-"

[RadiantBeam]

holierthanthat706 said:

Now maybe I just don't like Zutara, but I always though Katara would get assassinated if she tried to marry into the FN royal family. I can see her Fire Nation Royal funeral.

"Today we honor Fire Lady Katara. Mother of *looks at list* Holy-"

*snicker*

The sad thing is, I can actually imagine that happening. But then, I'm not to fond of Zutara either.

Maiko FTW. *shot*

[Holierthanthou]

radiantbeam said:

holierthanthat706 said:

Now maybe I just don't like Zutara, but I always though Katara would get assassinated if she tried to marry into the FN royal family. I can see her Fire Nation Royal funeral.

"Today we honor Fire Lady Katara. Mother of *looks at list* Holy-"

*snicker*

The sad thing is, I can actually imagine that happening. But then, I'm not to fond of Zutara either.

Maiko FTW. *shot*

What does FTW mean?

And Maiko is sooooooo much more likely than Zutara. I know! Let's think of reasons that it's better than Zutara! For Zuko. People constantly say that Katara's loving nature will bring Zuko out of his push-people-away-cause-I'm-such-a-crybaby phase, but I don't buy it.

[Monk]

I really do not have too much of a problem with Zutara, but I think that Maiko would be more beneficial (psychologically and politically) to Zuko.

[Holierthanthou]

monk said:

I really do not have too much of a problem with Zutara, but I think that Maiko would be more beneficial (psychologically and politically) to Zuko.

What! Blasphemy! This is the Maiko board, Kataang's sister ship! There shall be no Pro-Zutara comments here!

OK, there's no such thing as a sister ship, and I don't care what you say, I just dislike Zutara as a whole, and not just cause I'm a Kataangian. People do often write off certain ships (Tophang and sometimes Maiko) as spite ships. Ships that get rid of one member of your rival ship so yours can happen. For instance, Aang loves Katara, so Zutarians (allegedly) get rid of Aang through Tophang.

I don't usually accuse people of spite shipping, but I don't understand people who say that some of us Maikos are spite shippers, mainly cause Kataangians don't need to get rid of Zuko. ; p (OK, that was harsh)

[Monk]

holierthanthat706 said:

monk said:

I really do not have too much of a problem with Zutara, but I think that Maiko would be more beneficial (psychologically and politically) to Zuko.

What! Blasphemy! This is the Maiko board, Kataang's sister ship! There shall be no Pro-Zutara comments here!

OK, there's no such thing as a sister ship, and I don't care what you say, I just dislike Zutara as a whole, and not just cause I'm a Kataangian. People do often write off certain ships (Tophang and sometimes Maiko) as spite ships. Ships that get rid of one member of your rival ship so yours can happen. For instance, Aang loves Katara, so Zutarians (allegedly) get rid of Aang through Tophang.

I don't usually accuse people of spite shipping, but I don't understand people who say that some of us Maikos are spite shippers, mainly cause Kataangians don't need to get rid of Zuko. ; p (OK, that was harsh)

All I am saying is that in the small chance that Zutara happens, I would not be upset or offended or spending my days in the fetal position crying that my ship did not leave the docks. Yes, I want Maiko to happen, but my desires will not affect the outcome; all I can really do is wait and see how it pans out in the end.

[RadiantBeam]

holierthanthat706 said:

radiantbeam said:

*snicker*

The sad thing is, I can actually imagine that happening. But then, I'm not to fond of Zutara either.

Maiko FTW. *shot*

What does FTW mean?

And Maiko is sooooooo much more likely than Zutara. I know! Let's think of reasons that it's better than Zutara! For Zuko. People constantly say that Katara's loving nature will bring Zuko out of his push-people-away-cause-I'm-such-a-crybaby phase, but I don't buy it.

FTW= For The Win

And I agree wholeheartedly.

[Empy]

I honestly don't think that Katara's motherly nature would help Zuko, if anything it would make him more reliant on others. To me, this would be a step backwards in his character since he needs to make decisions independantly. He is just learning that skill now and I think Mai would understand that. *is not making sense =P*

[Ana]

holierthanthat706 said:

For Zuko. People constantly say that Katara's loving nature will bring Zuko out of his push-people-away-cause-I'm-such-a-crybaby phase, but I don't buy it.

That's one of my problems with Zutara. I don’t hate the ship but I think it would be bad if Katara tried to "fix" Zuko. I think Katara’s motherly nature would just put her in Ursa’s place and Zuko needs to fix himself. Mai, IMO, would care and listen to him but not try to push him into anything.

Plus, Maiko would (a bit obviously ) be good for Mai too. Zuko could to teach her to "feel" because he’s the main thing she’s shown interest in.

[RadiantBeam]

empyrealmaiden said:

I honestly don't think that Katara's motherly nature would help Zuko, if anything it would make him more reliant on others. To me, this would be a step backwards in his character since he needs to make decisions independantly. He is just learning that skill now and I think Mai would understand that. *is not making sense =P*

I think I get what you're saying. Emphasis on think, because I could be missing the point entirely, but this is how I read it:

throughout the show Zuko has kind of learned to stand on his own and solve his own problems. Katara's mothering nature, while good for Aang, would not help Zuko because he's still learning how to live on his own and would possibly revert him back to S1 Zuko. Mai, on the other hand, is more likely to give him a boot in the butt in the right direction.

[Holierthanthou]

monk said:

holierthanthat706 said:

What! Blasphemy! This is the Maiko board, Kataang's sister ship! There shall be no Pro-Zutara comments here!

OK, there's no such thing as a sister ship, and I don't care what you say, I just dislike Zutara as a whole, and not just cause I'm a Kataangian. People do often write off certain ships (Tophang and sometimes Maiko) as spite ships. Ships that get rid of one member of your rival ship so yours can happen. For instance, Aang loves Katara, so Zutarians (allegedly) get rid of Aang through Tophang.

I don't usually accuse people of spite shipping, but I don't understand people who say that some of us Maikos are spite shippers, mainly cause Kataangians don't need to get rid of Zuko. ; p (OK, that was harsh)

All I am saying is that in the small chance that Zutara happens, I would not be upset or offended or spending my days in the fetal position crying that my ship did not leave the docks. Yes, I want Maiko to happen, but my desires will not affect the outcome; all I can really do is wait and see how it pans out in the end.

I know. And I hope you're not implying that I would do that. I don't care if Maiko doesn't happen. I would be disappointed yes, if either of my ships didn't (especially Kataang) but I'd get over it.

I just dislike Zutara. Well, I don't dislike Katara/Zuko, I dislike what Zutara has become. I especially hate how they "prove" it.

Back to Maiko. That was a good point EM. Or what nickname do you prefer?