kiffer
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Post by kiffer on Jan 29, 2008 23:42:26 GMT -5
I wonder how long it will take Katara to begin her path down Zuko avenue??? I mean, you can tell she is avoiding the kiss Aang gave her... And she's mad at Zuko, because she started liking him in the Ba sing say caverns, and he later attacked her... But she will go to him... I'm just wondering how long wil it be b4 she goes to him... Or maybe he goes to her... Ya never know...
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Post by lunachaos on Jan 30, 2008 0:23:37 GMT -5
Hey there, Zutarians who haven't been around in a while! Glad to see you back. Argh, I hardly ever visit this poor thread. *blows dust off Zutarians* Remember when it used to be so lively? *sigh*
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Post by kiffer on Jan 30, 2008 3:28:29 GMT -5
Its still lively... Zutara is more popular than Kataang... Maybe not on this site... But it is on alot of others... and I hope it stays that way...
Ok... Alot of people, myself included... Seem to think Zuko and Katara will get together... If you dont think so, thats fine... To each his own... But given their current status, how do you think they will be brought together... I was thinking about it, and came up with this... Ok... Zuko, and Katara both lost their mothers to the war, in one way or another... And thats how they connected in Ba sing Se... well, Zuko found out his mother was alive, and If she were to show up, and join the Avatar group, I'm sure Katara would look up to her as a motherly figure... And soften up towards Zuko... He can talk to her about how bad he felt about loosing his mother... And she can relate... They can connect on a level, her and Aang never could... And maybe that would be a good way to put the two of them on a path together... for Zuko's mother to show up...
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Post by luthien on Jan 30, 2008 7:35:32 GMT -5
Luna! Girl, it's great to see you in here! Don't be such a stranger next time. Ok folks, as for Zutara songs, I have a short list, though I'm sure I can add things to it. Feel free to add your own, since I'm sure I've left off tons of potential songs! "Milk" - Garbage "Wonderwall" - Oasis "Say It Right" - Nelly Furtado "Halo" - Depeche Mode
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Post by rocio on Jan 30, 2008 14:45:43 GMT -5
Im with you, Kiff..
Katara will soften to Zuko, maybe she will start this new episode on that. I mean, She for now, has the idea that she cannot trust him.
But when she sees that he is not bad anymore, in general doing a good things to the gaang, or better, her. She will start to soften.
And is almost obvious; from hate to love, there is only one step-
You can see that one person puts on the show now, and sees this blue girl mad at the red boy, and that, will start to ship it. Because is great.
Katara and Zuko already demonstrated to can take along perfectly, so there is no problem at all. Specially now that Zuko can differ bad from wrong, and finally found his real way on life. And is on peace with himself.
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Post by bagpipe turtle on Jan 30, 2008 19:10:39 GMT -5
Mmm, Zutara songs... Sorry, by Buckcherry. All the Same, Sick Puppies. If I Fell, from Across the Universe, sung by Evan Rachel Wood.
Also... I don't know why, but the song Sybil by State Radio also reminds me a bit of Zutara.
Eh, I'm going to stop myself here. I don't feel like listing every song that reminds me of Zutara, I'd be here all day. XD
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Post by fireflamesinferno on Jan 31, 2008 0:19:17 GMT -5
First of all on a spontaneous note, I absolutely ADORE your banner bagpipe. Oh Moulin Rouge. Wonderous.
Secondly, I was randomly thinking about Zutara fanfiction, and I just wanted to ask some other people's opinions: do you guys prefer an AUish relational development between Zuko and Katara under the watch of Iroh, say, if he and Zu would have joing the GAang directly after season 2? Or is it more interesting for a relationship to develop in the Western Air Temple, without the adult supervision or guidance?
I always loved Iroh's feelings as depicted in fanfiction towards their relationship, but now I'm kind of leaning towards a cultivation in the WAT. Idk, just randomness to ponder........
Oh and songs... I've said it before and I'll say it again. Aly & AJ's Chemicals React is absolutely superb for this ship. I mean, "You make me feel out of my element" is such a wonderful tagline for them. Not to mention it has boht water and fire references. Heck yes.
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Post by rocio on Jan 31, 2008 17:58:06 GMT -5
I noticed something:
About Aang:
And everybody, specially Katara, is with him as a kid. With all the "white lies". You know, say nice things about the reality and hiding the reality from him. making him have hope in thinks that re not convenient.
Lie the romantic love, that is what made him egoistical and incompetent with the Avatar state.
Katara must stop of to be her mother, stop of to be on his back taking care of him and hiding the reality.
She MUST TRUST AANG, HIS DECISION, HIS OWN POWER. Because as she said he matured and all. But looks like he doesn't matured on her eyes, or she was just being nice again; he is still the little baby sleeping that she found on the ice!!!!
As all mother, she must understand, when the baby, the kid, doesn`t need her anymore.
And he most grow up, and take care by himself.
SHe must let Aang grow up.
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Post by psylum on Jan 31, 2008 18:31:34 GMT -5
I noticed something: About Aang: And everybody, specially Katara, is with him as a kid. With all the "white lies". You know, say nice things about the reality and hiding the reality from him. making him have hope in thinks that re not convenient. Lie the romantic love, that is what made him egoistical and incompetent with the Avatar state. Katara must stop of to be her mother, stop of to be on his back taking care of him and hiding the reality. She MUST TRUST AANG, HIS DECISION, HIS OWN POWER. Because as she said he matured and all. But looks like he doesn't matured on her eyes, or she was just being nice again; he is still the little baby sleeping that she found on the ice!!!! As all mother, she must understand, when the baby, the kid, doesn`t need her anymore. And he most grow up, and take care by himself. SHe must let Aang grow up. Why, why must you bring Aang and a mother/son statement into the discussion? It's been proven time and again that mother/son just isn't how their relatrionship works. Katara Mothers EVERYONE she cares about. She does it to Sokka, she does it to Toph, and yes, she does it to Aang too. Katara has also shown that she trusts Aang's judgement and looks up to him. Don't drag Aang through the mud, it's really not necessary and it actually takes something away from your ship.
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Post by gambitia on Jan 31, 2008 18:42:57 GMT -5
And everybody, specially Katara, is with him as a kid. With all the "white lies". You know, say nice things about the reality and hiding the reality from him. making him have hope in thinks that re not convenient. Specifics needed. I have never seen Katara lie to Aang about anything in order to make him feel better, save for the one incident in episode 1x03--which was a very very long time ago. She's not his mommy (well...*dirtythoughts*). She's not on his back, and she does not hide reality from him. She does take care of him to an extent, but that is true in any relationship. Aang would be a lot worse off if he didn't have friends who helped him out. What, specifically, are you referring to? Because I haven't the slightest idea how you could be reading this out of the most recent episodes. She has been treating him as an equal since the middle of the first season.
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Post by luthien on Jan 31, 2008 18:46:48 GMT -5
But rocio *isn't* dragging Aang through the mud. Nothing she said about him is negative. Her post above is more an indictment of Katara's behavior, and that Katara needs to treat Aang as more of a grown-up. Which I happen to agree with - there are times when Katara treats Aang too much with kid gloves, when we all know he's able to handle much bigger and more difficult tasks. I think Katara does this because she is terrified he'll be hurt, but sometimes it seems as though she doesn't trust that he's old or mature enough to handle the truth. Not saying this is their dynamic all the time, but sometimes it slips through. Yes, Katara is like this with a lot of people, but sometimes it comes out most in Aang - likely because she's trying to protect him the most. But I didn't see anything in the above post that was dragging Aang through the mud. However, this is the Zutara thread - so I suggest we say something about Zutara, ok? Anyone find any good art lately? I've been kind of busy the past few days - so I'm not sure if I might have missed something.
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Post by psylum on Jan 31, 2008 19:02:54 GMT -5
It's the last portion of the post. She does trust his decisions and she does trust in his power, I'm not seeing anywhere outside of The Southern Air Temple that she doesn't trust his abilities and his judgement. When ever he's made a decision, she's stood by him.
I agree that she does sugar coat things, but then again she also does this with the others(unless she's being vindictive and holding a grudge.), again this is something she does with people she cares about, not just Aang exclusively.
Technically the mother/son thing is insulting to both Aang and Katara
EDIT: and thank you Lu for stearing the conversation away from Aang.
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Post by luthien on Jan 31, 2008 19:10:12 GMT -5
Folks, I know I'm not an admin, mod, or even chief cook and bottle washer around here, but this is veering *waaaaaay* off-topic. Back to Zutara, please? ETA: Psylum, no prob.
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Post by rocio on Jan 31, 2008 20:22:53 GMT -5
Well, yea; she is always making all soft for him. She hided the truth when they found that the airbenders were killed, and she always is making all sound nicer and calming him.
sORRY pYSLUM: I think that is really clear that Katara mothers everyone on the epi "the runaway" so, is not necessary to discuss Katara mothering Aang anymore, guys.
So, stop of to deny it. She mother everyone on the group.
iF IT IS INSULTING, YOU ALREADY WERE INSULTED BY THE CREATORS.
And is truth. Is a shame that I cannot say spoiler about WAT or TFM.
Because I have a good argument about that.
She is always protection Aang as if Aang cannot defend himself, and that is not truth.
She must trust Aang, and do what she said and believe what she said. That she thinks that he matured.
But maybe she was doing the big "Im proud off you" classic of all mother, and being nice. Like; you matured, but not the sufficient for not be my baby anymore. And that.
I didn`t say anything bad about Aang; Im saying that If Katara wants Aang to really grow up and do the things by himself, be self-suficient.
She must let him go out of her babysitting.
No, she apparents to be at his side on an argument, let him have the last word, but then she is making things at his back for to protect him without him knowing. Not Trusting on his capacity of decision or of to defend himself.
If she so much ask and respect his opinion, she must stop of to babysitting him.
IM NOT SAYING THIS BECAUSE KATAANG IS EDIPO WHATVER ... IM NOT THAT ...SILLY.
Is just what Aang needs for to grow up, and finally, learn to dominate the Avatar state.
Im not saying anything against Aang, on the other hand. Im with Aang on this; the boys needs to developt, to train better, to finally obtain his fullmaturity and confront his own problems, dominate Avatar state.
I want him to grow up. And finally can say, yea, he is doing what he must do. Finally.
I DID EVERYONE WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!! IM GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by theweasleyboys on Jan 31, 2008 21:07:00 GMT -5
HELLO ZUTARIANS! Does anyone know when the next episode is?
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