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[MsJimmy]

^ yeah!! Would she trust Sokka to be completely honest. Thank you Kai XD same page

Cause like we all know Azula tends not to show emotion. And part of trusting someone is being open with them, which includes emotions and feelings. And inner thoughts... stuff like that.. >.>

[kaibasgirl]

That's a really good question! I'm going to have to think about this one.

How they get together might have a lot to do with it, you know what I mean?

Like, if it was an arranged marriage, then I see her being closed with him until she slowly starts to trust him.

But if it's something like, they have to team up, or do something together or stuck in a cave during a storm, then she would have to trust him initially anyways, and that would probably make it easier for her to open up to him.

[MsJimmy]

XDD

and yeah I know what you mean. Like if she was in a position where she would have to trust him. But does Sokka have to trust her first for her to trust him?

[Maylene]

Wow my head is in circles. Hmm.

Well I don't see why Azula wouldn't trust Sokka, it's not like he can double cross her to the point where she can't get out of the situation. But if you mean with feelings-wise, it would take a really really really really long while. After all, as we saw in "The Beach" Azula concealed her sadness by quickly chirping up and saying, "She was right of course but it still hurt."

I don't see Sokka and Azula from going to enemies to lovers right away; I believe they would go through stages. And during those stages, Sokka would see pieces of her one by one; until one day something goes on that brings bad memories and she spills the beans.

As for Sokka trusting Azula with his feelings...he's kinda an open book even if he hides the pain cuz he feels he's responsible for his group. Azula read Long Feng, remember? Someone she only met once before confronting him. I don't think he would really have a choice. He'd be a moth attracted to a flame. XD

[MsJimmy]

Ohhh you have a point Maylene. thank you, that just gave me an idea for HA ^^ I shall credit you once I get to that part lol

And yeah I do mean feelings wise. And I agree that it would take her a really long time to open up to him. I think that's what would be the most difficult for her, as it seems she rarely, if ever, does show her feelings you know. As for why she hides her feelings, I think it's becaue she doesn't want to seem weak- so not only is there the issue of trusing Sokka, but getting over the weakness factor- which I think goes back to her family and father..

And I'm sorry your head is going in circles... now mine is too lol

[kaibasgirl]

She's also second-born, and second-borns usually find feelings to be messy, so they supress them.

A lot of it probably has to do with her father (I mean, he scarred his own son without batting an eyelash), but I think it's also in her nature not to get too emotional. She's also pretty logical, so logic would probably dictate that feelings will just get in the way of everything.

EDIT:

Hey Maylene, I just noticed, you're Iroh now! =D

Please bestow some of your wisdom on us.

[MsJimmy]

I'm Sokka, I don't need no wisdom =P

(ok, not kidding, it took me three times to spell wisdom right... < and twice just right there... so... maybe just a little bit)


... Anyway, second-borns find feelings messy? how come? I didnt' know that...

Yeah, that's true. I'm just trying to figure out what about Sokka will make her trust him to get past all that. Kinda fun to think about lol

[Maylene]

kaibasgirl: Whoa I am! Thank you, I didn't even notice that! Hmmm wisedom huh?

"One has to pass at failure, to succeed." - Anonyomous

Now for something funny: "A man, a kiss, a miss, and a curve; the man kissed the miss, and missed the curve." -Unknown (Or something like that. XD)

No problem MsJimmy! Also what Kaibasgirl said was right, Azula is second-born. As we know Ozai is second born and for some reason Azulon didn't see Ozai the way he saw Iroh. Like he said, "You dare suggest I betray my firstborn?"

In royal families firstborns are usually very important since they are heir apparent. Maybe Ozai felt dejected and decided that his second born would not go through the same pain as he did when he was younger, though I could be wrong and it is ALL about her skills.

Also the reason I said that it would take a really really really really long time for Azula to open up is not only because she's very closed when it comes to her feelings (which I do agree, it's because she doesn't want to appear weak. I mean look at what Daddy Dearest did to his heir cuz he appeared weak.) is that her friends that she met during her schooling days didn't even know (at least too much) about her pain with Ursa, until the fifth ep of season 3.

[kaibasgirl]

Your teh pwns, MissJimmy XD

From this article about second-borns that Blue Chibi found.

I think it would be Sokka's sincerity that would do it. Because if he would ask her about herself, he would want to know because he genuinely wants to know, not because he wants to use her, or manipulate her, but because he really cares.

And with a father like Ozai, and a mother like Ursa, I think that would mean a lot to her.

EDIT:

Maylene, ROFL! Ah, I feel so very enlightened right now!

[MsJimmy]

Ah I see

I don't even know what teh means but thanks! ... I think XD

But would he really care about her, like if they weren't at a point of liking each other yet. Sokka *is* naturally curious...

and also, I don't think Azula would trust that at all, if he said that he cared. Because she's never really had someone actually care in a way, like you said, that's not manipulative, or for other reasons. (Except maybe Ursa... ) It would be hard for her to accept that, which I think would take a long time

And Maylene, your post kinda made me wonder about Ozai and Azula... Does Ozai really care for Azula or does he care for her skills and talents? Because that can bring up some issues too, like in the little mini convo I wrote with your guys' help, that if Sokka pointed out that Ozai doesn't really care, then would she get mad or how would she feel?

[kaibasgirl]

'teh' is netspeak. It's like a different way of saying 'the'

I said it cause you said your Sokka and you don't need wisdom XD

You're right, if they're not at the point of liking each other yet, and Sokka said he cared, than I don't think she'd believe him at all.

But if it was at a point where they both feel a mutual attraction, I think it would strike a chord.

I don't know, I'm just picturing a scene where they both like each other, but Sokka's open about his feelings and Azula's trying to deny them, and...wait, I'm picturing that little skit you wrote...k, I'm going to stop now.

I don't think Ozai really cares about her. Maybe he did at one point, but by now...I find it very hard to believe that he won't hurt her if she fails him in the slightest.

[MsJimmy]

XDD *finally gets it* Wow, I wasn't slow at all XD

Yeah, I don't think she'd believe him, which for some reason makes me think she would resent him almost for that...

Exactly. I think it would be really difficult for her to say that she cares for him, if he said that he cared for her. Or anything of those likes

No no XD keep going

^^ I'm so glad you said that, and tomorrow I shall tell you what I think! I'm so excited =D

[Maylene]

I guess we'll have to wait...we have yet to see Azula and Ozai in the same room with each other and actually talk! Zuko Alone doesn't count. So maybe Ozai only cares for Azula cuz she makes him look good; or maybe he does care for her cuz she reminds him of himself. I don't know.

But in my opinion, if Sokka were to tell Azula that Ozai's just using her, she would be furious and tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about. Then Sokka would be like, "I have a father, and he's the leader of my tribe as is your father the leader of your country; he has two children--a boy and a girl, and yet he's never treated us the way your father treats you." etc.

I can see the fight now...

Azula: You don't know anything about my father, so keep your mouth shut!

Sokka: I know a father doesn't burn his son to teach him a lesson! And when was the last time he told you it's okay to be imperfect? When was the last time he ever told you it's okay that you're not great at everything?

-_-; I'm so horrible at this.

[kaibasgirl]

MissJimmy, LOL.

Well, as long as you don't mind me repeating what you wrote, just that he would be more open about it, once he accepted his feelings for her, and she probably wouldn't, because she'd either be in denial, or suppressing them because they make her weak, so he would show her that she does feel something for him by...huh, maybe kissing her? XD

Though, now that I think about it more, she was pretty direct with Chan. She actually kissed him, and she hardly knew the guy O___o though, it could be because she wanted to experience what it was like to be a normal girl, or she wanted to up Ty Lee XD

Inner Azula: SCORE! Azula 1, Ty Lee 0!

Haha, just a thought >__>

Maylene, oooh, paralleling (is that even a word?) between families. It's funny how much Ozai and Hakoda have in common, family wise and status wise.

I liked the skit. I could see Sokka saying that, especially when he points out that she always has to be perfect for her father.

[Maylene]

It is creepy that they're so similar and yet so opposite of each other.

Ozai: Hakoda
Zuko: Sokka
Katara: Azula
Fire: Water
Dysfunctional family: "Normal"