yiceman
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Post by yiceman on Mar 4, 2007 1:07:59 GMT -5
I actually liked Gambita's post, even though I didn't agree with it, simply because it made me think and develop a clearer idea of Zuko's character. That's pretty much what I try to do; pose arguements to make folks think.
That and I just like rattling people's faith. No concept is so true it should not be examined and analyzed; in fact, the more people who believe it undeniable truth, the harder it should be disected, because the more disasterous if they're wrong.
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Youkai-Slayer
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Post by Youkai-Slayer on Mar 4, 2007 1:17:31 GMT -5
All it was, was a listing of things that were "immoral" actions of Zuko. It really did not analyze the motivations beyond it and motivation counts. If anything it was as you say something that made one think if only to disprove the statement and give substance to the feelings that those of us have that Zuko is good.
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Ana
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Post by Ana on Mar 4, 2007 1:19:00 GMT -5
It just seems odd to me that people will dive into the Zutara board just to defend kataang. Not even to challenge Zutara, or talk about the ship at all, but to defend their own ship whenever someone speaks ill of it. I've never seen that happen in any other threads. It's as if they just can't stand the fact that anyone thinks kataang might not happen. I would agree with you if the Kataangers were like “zomg you suck for saying these about Kataang and here’s why!” (or whatever) but..they weren’t. From my standpoint, it looks like they just came into debate and Katara -> Aang was something being debated at the time. And of course discussing Aang would bring forth a negative light in a Zutarian thread! Hmm, I dunno about that. Yes, a Zuko/Katara romance wouldn’t leave the best impression on our little Avatar but you can discuss that without being anti-Aang. Also, happy birthday! *throws confetti* And to steer away from Kataang a bit… Dealing with a person who is carrying a lot of baggage is not a fun task. A person who gets involved with someone like that has to withstand the highs and lows and never lose interest for that would be detrimental to the person they are trying to help. This is a minor thing but I’m not a fan of the way you worded that. To me, you made it seem like Zuko needs someone to deal with his emotional problems (i.e. fix him). I see Mai being able to “deal” with Zuko because her emotions are rather subtle, I guess, like his and would wait until his “ANGRY rampages” are over, or something of the sort, and he can talk calmly. Whereas I see Katara’s extroverted personality escalating things.
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Yang Fishy
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Post by Yang Fishy on Mar 4, 2007 1:25:06 GMT -5
I don't hate him either ;D Will there be people who will claim to hate certain characters in the future? Unfortunately, the sad truth is, yes. There will always be haters, bashers, and flamers but what can we do? The answer is simple. Practice Neutral Jing and do nothing! [FG =Mad genius! Or just mad^^]
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Youkai-Slayer
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Post by Youkai-Slayer on Mar 4, 2007 1:26:23 GMT -5
It just seems odd to me that people will dive into the Zutara board just to defend kataang. Not even to challenge Zutara, or talk about the ship at all, but to defend their own ship whenever someone speaks ill of it. I've never seen that happen in any other threads. It's as if they just can't stand the fact that anyone thinks kataang might not happen. I would agree with you if the Kataangers were like “zomg you suck for saying these about Kataang and here’s why!” (or whatever) but..they weren’t. From my standpoint, it looks like they just came into debate and Katara -> Aang was something being debated at the time. Hmm, I dunno about that. Yes, a Zuko/Katara romance wouldn’t leave the best impression on our little Avatar but you can discuss that without being anti-Aang. Also, happy birthday! *throws confetti* And to steer away from Kataang a bit… Dealing with a person who is carrying a lot of baggage is not a fun task. A person who gets involved with someone like that has to withstand the highs and lows and never lose interest for that would be detrimental to the person they are trying to help. This is a minor thing but I’m not a fan of the way you worded that. To me, you made it seem like Zuko needs someone to deal with his emotional problems (i.e. fix him). I see Mai being able to “deal” with Zuko because her emotions are rather subtle, I guess, like his and would wait until his “ANGRY rampages” are over, or something of the sort, and he can talk calmly. Whereas I see Katara’s extroverted personality escalating things. The only emotions Mei seems to feel is boredom and irritation. She would most likely offer snippy comments which would escalate things. She makes sarcastic comments all the time. Katara does not escalate things. She takes time to listen to someone when they are hurting. And yes Zuko does need someone to fix him in the sense to provide him with love, understanding and show him how he can deal with his pain in a more constructive manner.
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Power
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Post by Power on Mar 4, 2007 1:29:23 GMT -5
And I as a Kataang practice that neutral jin as well. If you have noticed I do not bother this board when you guys tend to things Zutara, but anyhow I catch wind of anything going against Kataang, I am in this room in a heartbeat.
@ys: We only know half the story of Mai's character, for what I know she could be more than that boredom laden shell she is under.
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Zutara7
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Post by Zutara7 on Mar 4, 2007 1:33:14 GMT -5
I don't think Katara needs to "fix" Zuko and heal him of his emotional problems, this is why I hate the idea of her healing him, it's not what I want Zutara to be based on. And no offense, but how could Mai's depressed personality and lack of compassion help Zuko? Don't get me wrong, we may see a different side of her in Season 3, I just don't understand why Katara would make things worse when Mai would make them better.
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Post by lunachaos on Mar 4, 2007 1:33:32 GMT -5
I would like to quickly say that this is all being blown out of proportion.
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Youkai-Slayer
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Post by Youkai-Slayer on Mar 4, 2007 1:38:19 GMT -5
And I as a Kataang practice that neutral jin as well. If you have noticed I do not bother this board when you guys tend to things Zutara, but anyhow I catch wind of anything going against Kataang, I am in this room in a heartbeat. @ys: We only know half the story of Mai's character, for what I know she could be more than that boredom laden shell she is under. It was obvious from season one that Zuko was not just a ruthless villain. Why is there no hint of such a thing with Mei? She's never shown one ounce of compassion. Ty Lee has been shown to be something more than just a villain with her cheerful personality and her unwillingness to join Azula at first.
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Yang Fishy
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Post by Yang Fishy on Mar 4, 2007 1:42:41 GMT -5
Hmm, I dunno about that. Yes, a Zuko/Katara romance wouldn’t leave the best impression on our little Avatar but you can discuss that without being anti-Aang. Umm...You seem to have skipped the entire point of my drabble because that's what I said :/ -In our thread Zuko and Katara are discussed the most. -Theory's for future ZK encounters take a good second place. -Similarities/differences in both character and circumstance are heavily discussed. -Easter eggs, foreshadowing, similar legends and our own personal experiences that relate to Zutara is a popular subject among us. -Hopes and aspirations for this couple is a reoccuring topic. -And last but certainly not least, obstacles that stand in the way of this couple are talked about from time to time. There are some, not all, Zutarians who see Aang as an obstcle, a competitor, therefore there are times when we do bring Aang into light for our discussions. However, I have to say that the whole "being enemies" thing takes first place in obstacles so don't give yourselves too much credit lol. Thanks! <Knows what she's going to wish for [/evil Azual grin] >
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Melis
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Post by Melis on Mar 4, 2007 1:47:43 GMT -5
Hmm, well the creators did say that Mai and Ty Lee were going to be shown more in the upcoming season. Maybe we'll get to know the other side of Mai that we don't know about. Btw, your Zutara drawing was really pretty. The flower reminds me of the one in "The Earth King".
Oh, and happy birthday fairysgift! Here's wishing you a good one. <333!
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Ana
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Post by Ana on Mar 4, 2007 1:50:04 GMT -5
The only emotions Mei seems to feel is boredom and irritation. She would most likely offer snippy comments which would escalate things. She makes sarcastic comments all the time. She seems pretty happy where Zuko is concerned. But really, I see Mai’s attitude as typical fifteen year old (i.e. “Whatever.”) attitude. True. But she has a mighty big temper which, imo, doesn’t go well with Zuko since he has one to match. And no offence, but how could Mai's depressed personality and lack of compassion help Zuko? Don't get me wrong, we may see a different side of her in Season 3, I just don't understand why Katara would make things worse when Mai would make them better. None taken. As I told Youkai-Slayer, I see Mai’s attitude as typical fifteen year old (i.e. “Whatever.”) attitude. Honestly, I see Mai working out better for Zuko because I can not see Katara and Zuko on equal footing. As Amira has said, because of who Katara is and her motherly tendencies, I see her falling directly into filling the void Ursa left in Zuko and I don't see that being terribly romantic or terribly beneficial to Zuko (or to Katara). Umm...You seem to have skipped the entire point of my drabble because that's what I said :/ Ick, I'm sorry. I guess I kinda figured where you were going with your post and, turns out, that wasn't the way you were going.
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Youkai-Slayer
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Post by Youkai-Slayer on Mar 4, 2007 1:51:54 GMT -5
Hmm, well the creators did say that Mai and Ty Lee were going to be shown more in the upcoming season. Maybe we'll get to know the other side of Mai that we don't know about. Btw, your Zutara drawing was really pretty. The flower reminds me of the one in "The Earth King". Oh, and happy birthday fairysgift! Here's wishing you a good one. <333! What flower? The flower here is a bluebell. It means humility and eternal love thus representing what the good road has to offer Zuko.
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Melis
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Post by Melis on Mar 4, 2007 1:55:52 GMT -5
There's this flower that shows up in "The Earth King" while Iroh talks to Zuko about him going through a metamorphosis. It looks blueish and red, and I think some Zutarians found it, capped it, and went "Zutara!". I can't find a cap of it (they don't have it up on AvatarSpirit.Net) but it kind of reminds me of it, I don't know why lol.
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Youkai-Slayer
Wolf Sokka
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Post by Youkai-Slayer on Mar 4, 2007 1:56:08 GMT -5
The only emotions Mei seems to feel is boredom and irritation. She would most likely offer snippy comments which would escalate things. She makes sarcastic comments all the time. She seems pretty happy where Zuko is concerned. But really, I see Mai’s attitude as typical fifteen year old (i.e. “Whatever.”) attitude. True. But she has a mighty big temper which, imo, doesn’t go well with Zuko since he has one to match. None taken. As I told Youkai-Slayer, I see Mai’s attitude as typical fifteen year old (i.e. “Whatever.”) attitude. Honestly, I see Mai working out better for Zuko because I can not see Katara and Zuko on equal footing. As Amira has said, because of who Katara is and her motherly tendencies, I see her falling directly into filling the void Ursa left in Zuko and I don't see that being terribly romantic or terribly beneficial to Zuko (or to Katara). Umm...You seem to have skipped the entire point of my drabble because that's what I said :/ Ick, I'm sorry. I guess I kinda figured where you were going with your post and, turns out, that wasn't the way you were going. Apathy should not be a typical attitude for anyone and there is nothing wrong with caring about someone and trying to be there for them. Last time I checked that's what healthy relationships romantic or otherwise should be about. Amira is using the same mother argument we have used against Kataang. Either can be applied to strengthen or destroy both ships. It is an apathetic attitude that will not help Zuko. He is someone who craves respect and love. He would get none of those from a person who is just like "whatever" to his problems.
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