Kataang Sky Castle XXXIX

[femaleairbender]

chaobunny said:

I'm actually going to give the arugment that Aang had a crush first, but Katara actually was the first of the couple to actually fall in love.

Kataang was a crush in episode one, and in episode three it had a little more emotion when Katara hugged Aang. In episode 7 she embraced him after he came back... but I think it became love on Katara's part at the end of episode 14, when Sokka made the remark about Aang being a powerful bender.

Aang seemed to have just a crush until Bato of the Water Tribe, when Katara kissed him for the first time; in the Deserter, after he hurt Katara, Aang began to take things much more seriously. Katara was extremely protective of him in the season finale, and that hug was on both sides, not just from Katara, but Aang hugged back.

In season two, Katara seemed to be more serious at first, actually; in the Avatar state she showed a lot of concern. In the CoTL, she was the one who suggested they kiss, and not Aang. At the time, he even seemed a little unsure of what to say, whereas Katara got her point across that she wanted to kiss him xD Katara also is always the one to kiss Aang on the cheek; we never see it returned. By the end of season two, especially in the Guru, it is apparent that Aang has matured to the extent where he is willing to put love before power.

But it always seemed to me that Aang had the crush at first, but Katara fell in love first.

Very interesting interpretation!

[brilliantlygreen]

So who's tired of the 'opposites attract' argument? I KNOW I AM.

So here's something new. Zutarians claim that Katara and Zuko are opposites, and go together perfectly because Yin and Yang, mainly because of their elements, fire and water.

Well, Avatar is heavily based on Chinese culture. And what is the core of Chinese culture? Feng Shui.

Feng Shui means wind and water. They're not divided, they are ONE.

From the Wikipedia article..

"In ancient times as well as today, Feng Shui, was known as "Kan-Yu" which means 'The Law of Heaven and Earth.’ Today's Feng Shui schools teach that it is the ancient Chinese practice of placement and arrangement of space to achieve harmony with the environment. Feng shui literally translates as "wind-water." This is a cultural shorthand taken from the following passage of the Zhangshu (Book of Burial) by Guo Pu of the Jin Dynasty:[2]

The qi that rides the wind stops at the boundary of water.

Feng shui is a discipline with guidelines that are compatible with many techniques of agricultural planning as well as internal furniture arrangements. Space, weather, astronomy, and geomagnetism are basic components of feng shui. Proponents claim that feng shui has an effect on health, wealth, and personal relationships."

It may be a stretch, but it makes a whole lot more sense than 'opposites attract'.

And even if opposites do attract...so what? We support that. ^^

[femaleairbender]

brilliantlygreen said:

So who's tired of the 'opposites attract' argument? I KNOW I AM.

Admittedly, the "opposites attract" argument for Zutara can get annoying. Most of the time, the Yin and Yang concept is thrown around carelessly and twisted into something it's not.

To my knowledge, Yin and Yang doesn't deal with polar opposites; it deals with two things that are different, yet can create balance and harmony. I honestly don't see that working so well with Zutara.

[Zenjamin]

it deals with two things that are different, yet can create balance and harmony.

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you mean sort of like how kataras serious protective maternal personality is complemented by Aang's ability to make her laugh, have fun and remember "you still are a kid"?

or do you mean how Aang's "free wind" nature is not squandered or irresponsible because katara keeps him grounded and down to earth?


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where as angsty/serious and maternal/serious is about the worst personality combination i can think of.






p.s.

SPOILER: Click to show

I like how "the runaway showed that katara is maternal towards everyone. in fact, she seemed to be less maternal of aang then of toph or sokka.
like when she forgot caution and was more then fine with letting aang show off his tats, or taking aang's side in almost any situation...
(cant think of a situation when she went against something aang wanted to do, but surely there had to be one)

[franky]

Ya angsty/serious shows that opposites are not always complements.

[Azuna the Screaming Gopher]

femaleairbender said:

chaobunny said:

I'm actually going to give the arugment that Aang had a crush first, but Katara actually was the first of the couple to actually fall in love.

Kataang was a crush in episode one, and in episode three it had a little more emotion when Katara hugged Aang. In episode 7 she embraced him after he came back... but I think it became love on Katara's part at the end of episode 14, when Sokka made the remark about Aang being a powerful bender.

Aang seemed to have just a crush until Bato of the Water Tribe, when Katara kissed him for the first time; in the Deserter, after he hurt Katara, Aang began to take things much more seriously. Katara was extremely protective of him in the season finale, and that hug was on both sides, not just from Katara, but Aang hugged back.

In season two, Katara seemed to be more serious at first, actually; in the Avatar state she showed a lot of concern. In the CoTL, she was the one who suggested they kiss, and not Aang. At the time, he even seemed a little unsure of what to say, whereas Katara got her point across that she wanted to kiss him xD Katara also is always the one to kiss Aang on the cheek; we never see it returned. By the end of season two, especially in the Guru, it is apparent that Aang has matured to the extent where he is willing to put love before power.

But it always seemed to me that Aang had the crush at first, but Katara fell in love first.

Very interesting interpretation!

Hea hear.

[Azuna the Screaming Gopher]

you know I wonder if Aang just liked Katara before she hugged him.......
*ahem* *koff* that happened to me with my current crush.....

[Zenjamin]

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[femaleairbender]

benjamin said:

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you mean sort of like how kataras serious protective maternal personality is complemented by Aang's ability to make her laugh, have fun and remember "you still are a kid"?

or do you mean how Aang's "free wind" nature is not squandered or irresponsible because katara keeps him grounded and down to earth?

You can think of it in both ways.

[Solvabibble]

*pokes head in*

brilliantlygreen said:

So who's tired of the 'opposites attract' argument? I KNOW I AM.

Who's tired of constantly having to explain this argument even though they've made it very clear in the past? WE ARE.

Ok, look. It's the Kataang thread, & I'm not going to annoy you all with the specifics of the argument; if you want a debate, go to the Kataang vs. Zutara thread.

We've started to use the Yin-Yang theory. Which Femaleairbender summed up quite nicely:

To my knowledge, Yin and Yang doesn't deal with polar opposites; it deals with two things that are different, yet can create balance and harmony. I honestly don't see that working so well with Zutara.

We just think that Z&K fit that description and could work it out if given the right circumstances.

As for that dA picture...touche' xD

There. End of rant. Continue on with your discussion

[Zenjamin]

ya, i know. i was trying to be ironic. because their whole oppisites attract thing works MUCH better for our ship then theirs if you consider personalities... which is much more important to a relationship then what kind of bender you are.



By the way… if any of you guys were looking for a good book to read… I was just thinking about how Enchantment, by Orson Scott Card, reminded me of kataang.
Anything by OSC is great (enders game). Actually, the Alvin maker series reminds me much of avatar/kataang. (Maker=Avatar.) But he hasn’t finished his last book. Its taking him forever. And I usuialy don’t like reading unfinished series.





EDIT @ Solvabibble:
ya Solvabibble, we get it. we were just generalizing the statement as everyone does.

we just dont see how katara's and Zuko's personalities complement eachother. where as aangs and katara's personalities complement each other in exactly the desired yin yon relationship you described above.

[KrystalFruit22]

If Zuko let his nice side shine like he did in 'The Guru' I don't think Zutara would be a problem, it's just the fact that he's very short tempered, hot headed and stubborn that would be a problem, especially since Katara's also very stubborn. I think she needs someone kind and sweet who loves her enough to sacrifice his own happiness for hers.

[Solvabibble]

Eh, whatever floats your boat, as my grandmother used to say. If it makes you happy, then far be it from me to convince you otherwise. I was just putting my two cents in.

[KrystalFruit22]

Yeah, true. I've found it rarely gets you anywhere to try to convince someone against something they believe in, it's like the political debates me and my friends have at lunch lol.

[brilliantlygreen]

solvabibble said:

Who's tired of constantly having to explain this argument even though they've made it very clear in the past? WE ARE.

No one asked you to explain it, dear. ^^

Ok, look. It's the Kataang thread, & I'm not going to annoy you all with the specifics of the argument; if you want a debate, go to the Kataang vs. Zutara thread.

No, no debating. We do that enough. It'd be nice to just have a normal, un-biased conversation with a Zutarian. :]

I guess what bothers me most about the Yin Yang Zutara claim, is that they really aren't that opposite at all. Only their elements are. Having a certain element doesn't give them a certain personality. I'm sure it influences certain things such as Zuko's 'fiery' temper, Katara's 'soothing' nature, Aang's 'easy-going' nature, and Toph's very stubborn nature. But having opposite elements does not mean opposite personalities. Zuko and Katara are VERY much alike, and I think Zutarians should focus in on those similarities when they want to prove something for their ship.