femaleairbender
Blue Spirit
Just a fool to believe I have anything she needs...She's like the wind...
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Post by femaleairbender on Nov 6, 2007 18:02:21 GMT -5
hey guys, is it just me, or to M&B go to the fourms, look at arguments against kataang or for zutara, and foil them?... even the "just for fun" arguments. ZUTARA: "Zutara, its Iroh's cup of tea" Iroh to aang: "i think you are very wise to choose love and happiness" Zutara: "katara has no romantic interest in aang" M&B: "this season, lets throw in some baby-blue, seductive, beadroom eyes while katara bumps uglies with aang on the dance floor" Zutara: "but surely Taang will happen to free up katara" M&B: "lets develop Tokka a little bit more" Zutara: "well... at least we still have sexyfine Zutara hair. nothing can touch that" M&B: "just for fun, lets make it obvious that katara likes the look of aang's hair and feels very self-concious about how aang feels about her own hair in return" Zutara: "DAMMIT! ug!... ok guys, new plan. we are making a tactical retreat. our new slogan is Zutara, because the univirse loves proving us wrong... surely the universe will see this statement and reverse our fortunes... right?" M&B: "ya, i think were done here... so, how long do you think the comets effect should last?" Zutara: "hello? univirse? are you there?" you're forgetting the "Katara is too motherly to Aang" wank argument. The Runaway confirmed the fact that Katara is motherly to everyone, even to her older brother. Meaning that even if she was in a relationship with Jet, Haru, Zuko, or Ozai xD, she would be just as motherly *giggles* Nice. Let me do one. Zutara: "OMG, Zuko held Katara's wrists in 'The Waterbending Scroll'! This PROVES that he wants her!" "Bato of the Water Tribe": Zuko grabbed Jun's wrist. "The Cave of Two Lovers": Zuko took hold of Song's wrist. Does this mean Zuko wants to make out with them (even if I am a Zuko/Song shipper)?
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Ana
Metalbending Cop
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Post by Ana on Nov 6, 2007 18:13:06 GMT -5
Let's try to get away from "why Zutara is wrong" and more towards "Evidence for Kataang/why we like it". It's just a slight difference, but it's the mood of the thing. A bit off topic but... hi kaangluv! It's nice to see you again. As for "evidence for Kataang/why we like it", and to get away from the negative Zutara, I like how they have been developing it this season. There could be more on Katara's feelings but even then we have obvious stuff like "The Headband" (the Fire Nation girls weren't the only ones blushing) and small stuff like "Sokka's Master" (Katara wants her hair to be Aang approved ). We don't know exactly what the Guru meant, but it was pretty clear that the Guru expected Aang to completely give up at least some level of attachment Katara. I agree with that but I also think it's pretty clear that Aang was meant to give up the extreme/bad attachment to Katara. You know, the kind that makes him forget he has to save the world and run to Katara. A good example of this, and I apologize for using him, is Roku. He cared deeply for his friend Sozin but Roku's job as the Avatar came before that affection.
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Post by Holierthanthou on Nov 6, 2007 18:21:50 GMT -5
Let's try to get away from "why Zutara is wrong" and more towards "Evidence for Kataang/why we like it". It's just a slight difference, but it's the mood of the thing. A bit off topic but... hi kaangluv! It's nice to see you again. As for "evidence for Kataang/why we like it", and to get away from the negative Zutara, I like how they have been developing it this season. There could be more on Katara's feelings but even then we have obvious stuff like "The Headband" (the Fire Nation girls weren't the only ones blushing) and small stuff like "Sokka's Master" (Katara wants her hair to be Aang approved ). We don't know exactly what the Guru meant, but it was pretty clear that the Guru expected Aang to completely give up at least some level of attachment Katara. I agree with that but I also think it's pretty clear that Aang was meant to give up the extreme/bad attachment to Katara. You know, the kind that makes him forget he has to save the world and run to Katara. A good example of this, and I apologize for using him, is Roku. He cared deeply for his friend Sozin but Roku's job as the Avatar came before that affection. I have to understand that argument. Although in the case of Sozin, I think it was more of a case of what type of person Sozin was. Roku was attached probably more so to his wife but she understood that during the eruption he had to perform his duty to save the island and by extension her. I get what you're saying, but I guess I'm reluctant to give up my stance because it sorta takes away the meaning and conflict behind that episode, and Aang's choice, to say that Aang just misunderstood the Guru.
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Post by Azuna the Screaming Gopher on Nov 6, 2007 18:59:31 GMT -5
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Post by Azuna the Screaming Gopher on Nov 6, 2007 19:03:27 GMT -5
hmmm.... lets see here: Zutara: ZOMG! KATARA ALMOST HEALED ZUKO! ZUTARA IS BOUND TO HAPPEN! M&B: Katara fully healed Aang.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Nov 6, 2007 19:06:17 GMT -5
hmmm.... lets see here: Zutara: ZOMG! KATARA ALMOST HEALED ZUKO! ZUTARA IS BOUND TO HAPPEN! M&B: Katara fully healed Aang. ...I believe Ana and I have both asked for us to move away from negative Zutara and go to positive Kataang. I'd rather see you guys happy for a ship than stomping on another as it's a prettier image. And please don't double post anymore.
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Post by luthien on Nov 6, 2007 19:20:25 GMT -5
*sigh* Like Paraiba said, let's just focus on the ship at hand, ok? It's really sad when you have to tear down someone else's dream in order to build up your own. You guys have a great, viable ship here to talk about - with so much development this season - it isn't necessary. Let's all play nice, ok?
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femaleairbender
Blue Spirit
Just a fool to believe I have anything she needs...She's like the wind...
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Post by femaleairbender on Nov 6, 2007 19:25:05 GMT -5
To revive a topic that's been discussed before, how would Aang and Katara react if their daughter brought home a boyfriend? I don't see Aang as being an overprotective father when it comes to his daughter dating (Sokka, though, is another story . I see him as being more the type to say, "Don't be out late, and have fun!" I think Katara would be more cautious--she wouldn't want her daughter to meet a Jet.
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Zenjamin
Ba Sing Se Zuko
Toko supporter
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Post by Zenjamin on Nov 6, 2007 19:31:08 GMT -5
@paraiba: i agree with the double posting bit... but the fact is zutara can not exist witth kataang... and vice verca. we know it, they know it.
which is why every argument for Zutara innately has to try to disprove kataang. I say if an argument against Zutara includes reference of how kataang is stronger in the same respect, it should be allowed.
its not the intention to bash the image of zutara itself, nor zutarans themselves... just the cannon zutara/anti kataang arguments. because make no mistake about it. if there is a pure cannon zutaran, and they make arguments for why zutara will be cannon, those arguments will HAVE to be anti kataang... unless they ship Zuko/Katara/Aang orgies that is.
and we should be able to critically break down those arguments and use the scrap to make our ship even stronger
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Nov 6, 2007 19:35:11 GMT -5
@zenjamin: I don't want to see bashing of any type, be it members, a ship or ideas. Move on.
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Post by thelastavatar on Nov 6, 2007 19:36:06 GMT -5
what if Aang's daydream wasn't such a daydream? What if in fact Katara heard him, and was so surprised that she covered it up right away? Lol, I wonder if Aang would be embarassed. "You're my forever girl." *puckers up*
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Post by mindbender18 on Nov 6, 2007 19:45:59 GMT -5
hmm....kinda like the people in the Z room constantly do to Maiko? but yet, i don't ever see any mods over there telling them to cool it...... To revive a topic that's been discussed before, how would Aang and Katara react if their daughter brought home a boyfriend? To revive a topic that's been discussed before, how would Aang and Katara react if their daughter brought home a boyfriend? I don't see Aang as being an overprotective father when it comes to his daughter dating (Sokka, though, is another story ). I see him as being more the type to say, "Don't be out late, and have fun!" I think Katara would be more cautious--she wouldn't want her daughter to meet a Jet. If his daughter brought home one of those "bad boy" type boyfriends, I can picture Aang pulling him to the side and saying something like "Just a reminder, I am the Avatar, which basically means i'm the strongest person on Earth. So if anything happens to my daughter.......*starts glowing a little* understand?"
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Post by Blind Bandit on Nov 6, 2007 19:51:57 GMT -5
*sigh* Like Paraiba said, let's just focus on the ship at hand, ok? It's really sad when you have to tear down someone else's dream in order to build up your own. You guys have a great, viable ship here to talk about - with so much development this season - it isn't necessary. Let's all play nice, ok? Agreed This is not the kataangs I know we don't rip into anyone and I don't want to see this again. Stop making para's and Ana's jobs harder than they have to be. I know for a fact Amria, Para, Ana, and members icluding myself have said to watch the bashing. Don't do it, I don't want to see people get into trouble for somthing so stupid. skybenderazuna remember to not double post. Anway back on topic. I think Aang would be an over protective father I have no idea why I just see as like being, *serious business* time when someones taking out his daughter. Katara would problably be like behind Aangs back with there daughter "good catch sweetty" and then be like all serious when Aang turns to her.lol
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Post by luthien on Nov 6, 2007 19:52:50 GMT -5
hmm....kinda like the people in the Z room constantly do to Maiko? but yet, i don't ever see any mods over there telling them to cool it...... Actually, if you headed over to the Zutara room you'd know that happens rarely if ever, and yes, Paraiba gets on people in there as well when they get abusive. Maybe in the past it was a problem, but most Zutarians just talk about our ship over there. We've made a concerted effort to be that way, since we're trying to respect other ships (even the ones we don't like). I invite you to come on over and check it out instead of making a statement like that which is not entirely accurate.
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Post by Amira on Nov 6, 2007 20:03:16 GMT -5
Everyone cut it out. Now. I don't care who is right and who is wrong. I want the bickering to stop.
It should not take 3 mods to tell people to cut it out. And commenting on someone else's comment only continues the argument and doesn't go anywhere.
If you feel upset by something someone said, take it to PMs. This goes for everyone.
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