Melis
Long Feng
hay baby wanna get away on my bison?
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Post by Melis on Jun 21, 2007 20:03:14 GMT -5
You know what I noticed? I love how to Katara, Aang is her first priority. They kind of do share that relationship, where they're each other's priorities and they're always looking out for each other, although I think we see this more with Katara ---> Aang, if anything.
And you're right. Iroh did say that, not to mention that Aang said beforehand "Without the Avatar State, what if I'm not powerful enough?"
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Post by Holierthanthou on Jun 21, 2007 20:04:38 GMT -5
I think you're right about the ultimately she comes first thing. People say "Aang must put his duty first!" But if he does is he really devoted to her and giving him his whole heart? In relationships,the male should always put his lady first,and vice versa. Family over work. Thats how it should be. Iroh was right when he said "power is overrated".(I think thats what he said,correct me if I'm wrong) Yep, that's pretty much the First and most important rule of Love. And isn't love the most important thing when it comes down to it? Even religion centers around the love and mercy of God. (at least the Abrahamic religions) It's truly the most important part of our existence.
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femaleairbender
Blue Spirit
Just a fool to believe I have anything she needs...She's like the wind...
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Post by femaleairbender on Jun 21, 2007 20:23:07 GMT -5
Yep, that's pretty much the First and most important rule of Love. And isn't love the most important thing when it comes down to it? Even religion centers around the love and mercy of God. (at least the Abrahamic religions) It's truly the most important part of our existence. Exactly. I don't know if you're a Christian, but in Matthew 22:37-40 of the Bible, Jesus narrows the Ten Commandments to only two: - Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
- Love your neighbor as yourself.
Jesus was saying that the law isn't what is important--love is.
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Post by Holierthanthou on Jun 21, 2007 21:05:17 GMT -5
Yep, that's pretty much the First and most important rule of Love. And isn't love the most important thing when it comes down to it? Even religion centers around the love and mercy of God. (at least the Abrahamic religions) It's truly the most important part of our existence. Exactly. I don't know if you're a Christian, but in Matthew 22:37-40 of the Bible, Jesus narrows the Ten Commandments to only two: - Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
- Love your neighbor as yourself.
Jesus was saying that the law isn't what is important--love is. I am. Big-time conservative Christian. Southern Baptist to be exact. It was actually the inspiration for my name. It's the stereotype we get. People constantly think I'm trying to act high-and-mighty or holier than that when I use bible verses and stuff. Luckily I only have one atheist friend. It's my religion and my big weakness for romance that influences my views most of the time. Back to Kataang. I think they both put each other first, it's just more visible with Katara. It's compounded with her motherly nature that makes people think she has no romantic attachment to Aang.
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Post by psylum on Jun 21, 2007 21:49:36 GMT -5
While I do think that Kataang is likely to happen, I have always wondered ever since the concept of the Avatar was introduced if there were unofficial laws about the responsibilities of the Avatar which would prevent anything more than a platonic relationship. For example: 1) the Avatar is required to act in the interest of elemental balance and most thereupon not act in the interest of a particular element, 2) the Avatar is not permitted to get married, 3) the Avatar is prohibited from having children, etc. I can see why such rules would exist, but the question is whether or not they do, and there have been no indications that they exist. I'm a little late to the party, but I'll take a crack at your questions. 1)This is correct, the Avatar has to act in the interest of balance and peace. 2) The Avatar is in fact permitted to get married. 3)While we don't know of any descendants of previous Avatars, we can't assume that they are prohibited from having children, The only thing that could stop this is if the Avatar Spirit makes it's current incarnation sterile, and I find that highly unlikely, but its certainly seems a question to pose to the creators. In the interest of spreading important points about the Avatar, I once again post the online comic links, the last links are in the old sky castle. Roku: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE4KfQOG0ZgKyoshi: www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-ZNA2gS3CAKuruk: www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XZusQaTMUkYangchen: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfVL8wUig84In Roku's comic, he is attempting to clear his mind of thought to enter the Avatar State, not sever earthly attachments. Severing earthly attachments is what Aang was trying to do in the Serpent's pass, and I doubt that Roku's only earthly attachment is lunch. In Yangchen's comic, it explains the nature of the Avatar and why it incarnates into a human being every generation. The basic point of which is so the Avatar Spirit can learn what it means to be human. While the Avatar does have certain duties, he is allowed to live his life as he pleases, this includes getting married, having a family, heck, he can even have a part time job if he wanted to.
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Monk
Haru
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Post by Monk on Jun 21, 2007 22:22:38 GMT -5
I'm a little late to the party, but I'll take a crack at your questions. 1)This is correct, the Avatar has to act in the interest of balance and peace. 2) The Avatar is in fact permitted to get married. 3)While we don't know of any descendants of previous Avatars, we can't assume that they are prohibited from having children, The only thing that could stop this is if the Avatar Spirit makes it's current incarnation sterile, and I find that highly unlikely, but its certainly seems a question to pose to the creators. In the interest of spreading important points about the Avatar, I once again post the online comic links, the last links are in the old sky castle. Roku: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE4KfQOG0ZgKyoshi: www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-ZNA2gS3CAKuruk: www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XZusQaTMUkYangchen: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfVL8wUig84In Roku's comic, he is attempting to clear his mind of thought to enter the Avatar State, not sever earthly attachments. Severing earthly attachments is what Aang was trying to do in the Serpent's pass, and I doubt that Roku's only earthly attachment is lunch. In Yangchen's comic, it explains the nature of the Avatar and why it incarnates into a human being every generation. The basic point of which is so the Avatar Spirit can learn what it means to be human. While the Avatar does have certain duties, he is allowed to live his life as he pleases, this includes getting married, having a family, heck, he can even have a part time job if he wanted to. Thank you. That does make sense. I still wish though that there would be some mentioning of avatar descendents. I know that they would not be able to control all the elements, but they might be exceptional in their particular elemental tribe. Who knows, that could explain the strength of the Firelords. In which case, Kataang is a GO! (Though chances are the creators would not deprive Aang of a happy ending no matter what the circumstances were.)
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Post by psylum on Jun 21, 2007 22:26:48 GMT -5
So glad I can clear things up, and I agree, I'd like to hear about descendants of previous Avatars as well.
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Post by frozenwind141 on Jun 22, 2007 5:05:55 GMT -5
That's what I loved about the Avatar comic thingy, it showed that all the other Avatar's 'screwed up' in some way. Shows that no Avatar was perfect, and that Aang is definitely not an exception. Thing is he has time to work out a balance and get the most out of it.
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Post by MasterPakku93 on Jun 22, 2007 9:03:51 GMT -5
While I do think that Kataang is likely to happen, I have always wondered ever since the concept of the Avatar was introduced if there were unofficial laws about the responsibilities of the Avatar which would prevent anything more than a platonic relationship. For example: 1) the Avatar is required to act in the interest of elemental balance and most thereupon not act in the interest of a particular element, 2) the Avatar is not permitted to get married, 3) the Avatar is prohibited from having children, etc. I can see why such rules would exist, but the question is whether or not they do, and there have been no indications that they exist. I'm a little late to the party, but I'll take a crack at your questions. 1)This is correct, the Avatar has to act in the interest of balance and peace. 2) The Avatar is in fact permitted to get married. 3)While we don't know of any descendants of previous Avatars, we can't assume that they are prohibited from having children, The only thing that could stop this is if the Avatar Spirit makes it's current incarnation sterile, and I find that highly unlikely, but its certainly seems a question to pose to the creators. In the interest of spreading important points about the Avatar, I once again post the online comic links, the last links are in the old sky castle. Roku: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE4KfQOG0ZgKyoshi: www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-ZNA2gS3CAKuruk: www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XZusQaTMUkYangchen: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfVL8wUig84In Roku's comic, he is attempting to clear his mind of thought to enter the Avatar State, not sever earthly attachments. Severing earthly attachments is what Aang was trying to do in the Serpent's pass, and I doubt that Roku's only earthly attachment is lunch. In Yangchen's comic, it explains the nature of the Avatar and why it incarnates into a human being every generation. The basic point of which is so the Avatar Spirit can learn what it means to be human. While the Avatar does have certain duties, he is allowed to live his life as he pleases, this includes getting married, having a family, heck, he can even have a part time job if he wanted to. have some karmas for those good answers there
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Crystle
penguin
Something tells me you're here with me...
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Post by Crystle on Jun 22, 2007 9:33:43 GMT -5
...And, I am HOME! Kataang! -dance-
And, another fact with those Escape From the Spirit World comics, along with Psy's information: Its not like Kuruk was punished for having a wife or anything. She was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I've seen some on other places use this as evidence that Aang shouldn't get married. If anything, it shows that he should lead life as normal as he can, making those attatchments with people like Yangchen said.
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Post by Holierthanthou on Jun 22, 2007 10:13:08 GMT -5
...And, I am HOME! Kataang! -dance- And, another fact with those Escape From the Spirit World comics, along with Psy's information: Its not like Kuruk was punished for having a wife or anything. She was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I've seen some on other places use this as evidence that Aang shouldn't get married. If anything, it shows that he should lead life as normal as he can, making those attatchments with people like Yangchen said. You know that makes me think. If the Avatar being human is so he can make attachments with human emotion, doesn't that contradict the chakras? Or at least make them less important.
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Post by MasterPakku93 on Jun 22, 2007 10:28:58 GMT -5
wait a minuite why are we questioning our own ship anyways? i bet zutarians dont question if it can happen or not.rsly lets drop the subject
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Crystle
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Post by Crystle on Jun 22, 2007 10:35:28 GMT -5
You know that makes me think. If the Avatar being human is so he can make attachments with human emotion, doesn't that contradict the chakras? Or at least make them less important. It does. I would prefer the wisdom of a past avatar over the wisdom of a Guru, either way... We're not questioning our own ship. Not really. I believe its more like laying out the things that may contradict it, and seeing if its possible that it might work for us. -shrugs-
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Post by Holierthanthou on Jun 22, 2007 11:05:06 GMT -5
You know that makes me think. If the Avatar being human is so he can make attachments with human emotion, doesn't that contradict the chakras? Or at least make them less important. It does. I would prefer the wisdom of a past avatar over the wisdom of a Guru, either way... We're not questioning our own ship. Not really. I believe its more like laying out the things that may contradict it, and seeing if its possible that it might work for us. -shrugs- I think everybody would prefer that too. People who dislike Kataang use the Guru's "infinite wisdom" as means for saying that Aang couldn't/shouldn't be with Katara. But just because he's "enlightened" doesn't make him infallible. Wouldn't a past Avatar who lived his life know what rules governed it? I've even heard the Kuruk comic cited as evidence against Kataang, but information within the same comic contradicts this, as well as the entire Yangchen comic.
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Post by frozenwind141 on Jun 22, 2007 12:13:40 GMT -5
I've even heard the Kuruk comic cited as evidence against Kataang, but information within the same comic contradicts this, as well as the entire Yangchen comic. I could see how they would do this quite easily, the whole 'LOL. LOOK WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE AVATAR TRIES TO GET MARRIED. CREEPY SPIRIT GUY GETS THERE FIRST.' But I think there is more evidece for Kataang in that episode, then against.
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