Power
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Post by Power on Nov 28, 2006 13:17:48 GMT -5
The one opposing factor I hear the most is most people cannot see a 14 year old girl harboring any sort of romantic interest towards a 12 year old boy.
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Post by frozenwind141 on Nov 28, 2006 13:19:03 GMT -5
So, I believe the subject up for consideration is the fact that we Kataangs are generally outnumbered - both in terms of people and in terms of fics/art/etc. Why is that? Any views? I consider it one of the great mysteries of the universe. No seriosuly I'm stumped
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Post by Rainyaqua on Nov 28, 2006 13:19:11 GMT -5
I'm going to be there, and if you need/want some help, just PM, and I'll try to help in any way I can.
I support Zukaang (though, I call it Zaang), I kinda support Sokka/Zuko, but I support Zaang more. I think both Zukka, and Zuko/Jet are pretty cool.
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Post by Growly on Nov 28, 2006 13:26:13 GMT -5
The lack of Zukkang shippers amaze me as well. I mean, Zuko/Jet and Zuko/Sokka is all well and good but you have so much to work with Zukkang. It gives Zutara and such a run for its money with all the subtext. If you really look at it, it makes a great deal of sense - more than Zuko/Katara and more than Zuko/Sokka. How's this for supporting the ship: Every time that a parallel is drawn between Zuko and someone else, it's drawn between him and Aang. When the story of Zuko's tragic past is brought up does the show focus on how that parallels with Katara's past? No. It shows how it parallel's with Aang. They are opposites in ways that have nothing to do with the elemental basis that seems to be the major selling point of the Zuko/Katara as Yin/Yang argument which is so popular. They also have haunting similiarities that are draw into the light and examined closely. There is also a basis for a potential friendship which is a good stepping point towards a possible relationship. That aside, Zuko's obsession with Aang, even after he knew the possibility of redemption in his father's eyes was gone, is very clear and stark. It could be argued that he doesn't persue Aang because of his father so much as he persues Aang because he Aang is the most important thing - the key to his happiness. That sort of obsession seems to override many other relationships (both romantic and otherwise). More to the point, up until the current point in the series (not counting the season finale which has not aired yet and thus cannot be properly examined) Zuko's ONLY interest has been in Aang and not in his companions. That scene with the necklace was not supporting Zutara - he wasn't interested in her, he was interested in AANG. If anything, that's a Zukaang supporting scene.
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Post by spook on Nov 28, 2006 13:27:31 GMT -5
So, I believe the subject up for consideration is the fact that we Kataangs are generally outnumbered - both in terms of people and in terms of fics/art/etc. Why is that? Any views? Simple: teenage girls. I get the feeling most of them would prefer a 'hot' and 'sexy' couple over a genuinly romantic one. And what is 'hotter': Katara with a young, goofy boy with big ears or Katara with an angsty, sexy, goodlooking man? That's why I generally consider Zutara just a fangirl ship (no offense to the smarter Zutarians) and I don't tend to take it too seriously. And that's what I meant with that quote I gave. We are with less, but the quality of posts I see from Kataangers is generally much higher than that of your average Zutarian fangirl. 90% of their posts consist of things like this:"OMG Zuk0&KaTaRa 1n a c@ve!!11Zutara4evah!11" Just one of the reasons why I dislike Zutara so much.
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Post by Mashnii on Nov 28, 2006 13:29:49 GMT -5
So, I believe the subject up for consideration is the fact that we Kataangs are generally outnumbered - both in terms of people and in terms of fics/art/etc. Why is that? Any views? Zutara appeals to a wider range. Kataang is often viewed as "childish", "innocent", and "too sugary", while Zutara is considered "hot", "passionate", and "incredibly sexy". These supposed attributes allure the majority of teenagers, especially girls, as it would be their dream to end up in a relationship like that. ^in other words, most people like the idea of passion and conflict in a relationship. Unfortunately, most people fail to realize that Kataang has plenty of potential to have conflict and passion.
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Post by stinkypinky on Nov 28, 2006 13:31:03 GMT -5
So, I believe the subject up for consideration is the fact that we Kataangs are generally outnumbered - both in terms of people and in terms of fics/art/etc. Why is that? Any views? There has to be a reason for why there is a lot more Zutara fans than Kataang. And it can't be the "hotness factor" we see something that Kataang doesn't,(someone at lj said it best) and seriously it seems to forced sometimes for me to fully enjoy it. I like it for fluff factor, but the majority of the time, I am majorly turned off by it because the creators and writers throw it at you. It's almost like they are screaming "Ship it!" Which, in turn, makes me groan and turn away.
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Power
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Post by Power on Nov 28, 2006 13:35:21 GMT -5
The majority of it is most girls prefer an older guy over one that is younger than them, because they fear they may be immature, or cant hang at their level. Kataang to me is just much more interesting because it trods into territories most people dont want to see, an older girl potentially falling for a younger guy. The controversy it generates just make Kataang that much more meaningful.
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Post by Ana on Nov 28, 2006 13:36:02 GMT -5
So, I believe the subject up for consideration is the fact that we Kataangs are generally outnumbered - both in terms of people and in terms of fics/art/etc. Why is that? Any views? I think it has a lot to deal with that most of the fandom are teenage girls (not to generalize since I’m one of them). Most of them relate to Katara (or really like Zuko, whatever works) and can’t see her (or themselves I guess) getting with someone “young and immature” like Aang. They also seem think something right in front of them, like Kataang, is boring. Teenage girls aside, I’m not quite sure why Kataang is so unpopular. Mayhaps it’s because Avatar is big and epic and they wouldn’t do a ship that little kids could get? I don’t know. If you really look at it, it makes a great deal of sense - more than Zuko/Katara and more than Zuko/Sokka. It does (and karma for the post btw). Like you said, every time a parallel of pasts or baisis for potential friendship, it’s not shown between Zuko and Katara (or whoever) it’s Zuko and Aang. They do have tons of similarities which are examined a lot and, at least to an extent, Aang is the key to Zuko’s happiness. Up to this point, Zuko hasn’t cared about Aang’s companions he’s cared about Aang.
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Post by Growly on Nov 28, 2006 13:42:12 GMT -5
The majority of it is most girls prefer an older guy over one that is younger than them, because they fear they may be immature, or cant hang at their level. Kataang to me is just much more interesting because it trods into territories most people dont want to see, an older girl potentially falling for a younger guy. The controversy it generates just make Kataang that much more meaningful. That's really ironic considering that men hit their sexual peak at a younger age than women and thus reach their sexual decline earlier as well. Looking at it from that aspect, an older female/younger male pairing works out better because they'd both be in their "prime" at about the same time. If you really look at it, it makes a great deal of sense - more than Zuko/Katara and more than Zuko/Sokka. It does (and karma for the post btw). Like you said, every time a parallel of pasts or baisis for potential friendship, it’s not shown between Zuko and Katara (or whoever) it’s Zuko and Aang. They do have tons of similarities which are examined a lot and, at least to an extent, Aang is the key to Zuko’s happiness. Up to this point, Zuko hasn’t cared about Aang’s companions he’s cared about Aang. Thanks for the karma! And yes, they've made Zuko's interest in Aang very evident. I bet if Aang was two years older the slash fans would be swarming the pairing.
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Post by Mashnii on Nov 28, 2006 13:45:52 GMT -5
The majority of it is most girls prefer an older guy over one that is younger than them, because they fear they may be immature, or cant hang at their level. Kataang to me is just much more interesting because it trods into territories most people dont want to see, an older girl potentially falling for a younger guy. The controversy it generates just make Kataang that much more meaningful. That's really ironic considering that men hit their sexual peak at a younger age than women and thus reach their sexual decline earlier as well. Looking at it from that aspect, an older female/younger male pairing works out better because they'd both be in their "prime" at about the same time. Actually, you're right. *karmalizes* I never realized that before.
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Power
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Post by Power on Nov 28, 2006 13:47:27 GMT -5
And quite frankly, I live for the controversy.
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Post by stinkypinky on Nov 28, 2006 13:47:58 GMT -5
If you're talking about puberty, then girls hit it first. 2 years before boys. So Katara would have hit hers at 12 while Aang would to be 14.
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Post by Growly on Nov 28, 2006 13:48:46 GMT -5
Actually, you're right. *karmalizes* I never realized that before. Thanks! Yeah, it's not something that most guys (at least) like to think about. Although with the advent of drugs to counter some of those problems, it's not as big a deal in this day and age. But in the setting of Avatar, it might have made a difference and older/younger pairings really wouldn't be that uncommon either.
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Post by Mashnii on Nov 28, 2006 13:55:25 GMT -5
If you're talking about puberty, then girls hit it first. 2 years before boys. So Katara would have hit hers at 12 while Aang would to be 14. Most guys I know (and I know alot of guys) hit puberty at around 13. Seriously. All the guys that are my age (which is 12 or 13) are experiencing it. They're all getting zits, and their voices are changing dramatically. Girls hit puberty before boys most definitely, but guys aren't that far behind. Growly: too true. ;D
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