gambitia
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Post by gambitia on Sept 19, 2006 16:20:43 GMT -5
Please don't underestimate the quality of the plot of Avatar and stop bashing other peoples shipps. There is NO bashing! Saying that Zutara might not happen is not bashing in any way, shape, or form. You've said that Kataang might not happen. Are you bashing? No. No one is bashing. Hokay... The thing I see is, people have said that Kataang seems "too rushed" or "too sudden." There is next to nothing in the way of Katara and Aang getting together, and their relationship has been developed for 1.5 seasons--people still say it's rushed. Compare that to the hypothetical Zutara, which has a ton of things in the way of it happening, and has a similar timeframe for developement (1.5 seasons). If Kataang, which is a pretty easy pairing to set up because there's little/no conflict between the pair-ees and even a little attraction, is too rushed after 1.5 seasons, imagine trying to set up Zutara--an incredibly difficult pairing to pull off, according to the fanfic authors--in the same time frame. And it's not like Zutara has a 1.5 seasons total either. There are more important things (like defeating the Fire Lord, maybe?) going on. The Zutara relationship also relies almost entirely upon Zuko going Team Avatar, something which may or may not happen, and even if it does it will not be for several episodes. Lots of things need to fall in place just right for Zutara to happen--whether there is enough time for that is a very valid question.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Sept 19, 2006 16:40:49 GMT -5
I think the time alotted, if the creators do not continue with a 4th season, is plausible, but cutting it short, for Zutara to occur. But there will be certain criteria and certain things to fall into place, as gambitia said.
And yes, Zutara is an extremely hard relationship to pull off. And the creators have to make ends meet. It can't be love at first sight, smoochy smoochy, and Aang goes on a sugar rush while Toph and Iroh try to keep Sokka from killing Zuko (as I've often seen in the bad fics).
Many things need to be resolved and I cannot see this relationship turning into it's full potential until post-war. But that's just me.
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Post by firenationman on Sept 19, 2006 19:55:00 GMT -5
Reason why I am zutara is because of all the conflicts and charater devlopment it would cause
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elystia
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Post by elystia on Sept 19, 2006 21:29:10 GMT -5
Right now Kataang is onesided (it still is the crush of the childish side of Aang by the way he still is dealing with it), even the biggest supporters of Kataang have to admit it Maybe it doesn't help that I'm a huge Aang fan, but that I have to disagree with, because it bugs me when he gets written off as some silly kid. In the Avatar State he practically tried to murder Fong and almost leveled a building when he thought Katara was dead. Isn't that a little extreme for just some crush? I know it can also be because they're close friends, but considering that Aang --> Katara is undeniably canon, I think it was more than that. As for the debate, I don't see why "This is canon; this isn't" is such a big factor. Is the fact one pairing is canon and the other isn't important? I believe that a fanon pairing can be MUCH better than a canon pairing, and vice versa. It's possible that nothing will come from either pairings. The demographic of this show is "Boys ages 6-11" (or something like that) The probability for a romantic happily-ever-after is slim for any and all pairings. (I would be very disappointed if this were the case, but eh) If it weren't for the fact that this is a children's show, I'd say the possiblity of a happy ending at all is close to nothing. But you never know with Mike and Brian, do you?
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Post by catalyst283 on Sept 19, 2006 21:38:59 GMT -5
It's possible that nothing will come from either pairings. The demographic of this show is "Boys ages 6-11" (or something like that) The probability for a romantic happily-ever-after is slim for any and all pairings. (I would be very disappointed if this were the case, but eh) But yet there were the long kisses between Sokka and Yue; and the recent kind of long kiss with Suki and Sokka. I dunno what everybody else calls that, but that's kind of mushy-romantic to me. (Not majorly, but still; it wasn't just a small peck on the cheek or anything)
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madsniper
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Post by madsniper on Sept 19, 2006 21:52:16 GMT -5
Is there being time left for Zutara to happen? It's hard to say. Sokka and Yue were able to advance enough in their realtionship to kiss after two episodes, and really, a kiss like what they shared is as far as I'd need to see zutara go. And in that time the show was also able to have a fantastic season finale, with fighting out the wazoo, crazy scarey spirit deus ex machine, etc. I think one season would be long enough for zutara to happen, though I do think it would be a tight squeeze, but that's also what would make it interesting. The writers are talented enough to work a complicated romance like theirs and also devote all the screen time the end of the war deserves, not to mention the resolution of conflicts with all the other bad guys. It's this precarious balance and potential for awesomeness if done just right that makes me thrilled with the idea of Zutara, but also very, very worried about what it would do to the series if done poorly. (Crushed under it's own weight?) I actually don't seen Kataang being rushed at all. To me, it seems all we need is for Katara to say, "I like you too, and I do mean like that!" and it's cannon. That is a minor problem I have with it. Call it a soap opera all you want, I still want to see a drawn out, rocky romance with plenty of obstacles, tears, and growth. Honestly, with the time constraints, I could easily see a Kataangko love triangle resolving in Kataang. That would take less time for Zutara, and still be interesting and rocky enough to keep Kataang moving until the series finale. Of course, I don't hope for this simply because I think one more problem on his shopping list of problems (#237, unrequited love) would destroy Zuko.(also why I'm really, really hoping Iroh doesn't die!) But! If there is a fourth season? Zutara all the way.
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elystia
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Post by elystia on Sept 19, 2006 21:57:15 GMT -5
It's possible that nothing will come from either pairings. The demographic of this show is "Boys ages 6-11" (or something like that) The probability for a romantic happily-ever-after is slim for any and all pairings. (I would be very disappointed if this were the case, but eh) But yet there were the long kisses between Sokka and Yue; and the recent kind of long kiss with Suki and Sokka. I dunno what everybody else calls that, but that's kind of mushy-romantic to me. (Not majorly, but still; it wasn't just a small peck on the cheek or anything) This is true XD (And you won't believe how big my eyes got during that scene.) And it's not like Avatar is known for sticking to its demographic anyway (I'm well outside "boys ages 6-11") I'm rooting for very un-child-like going ons myself, which includes romance. We've gotten quite a bit so far, so we can only hope for more.
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Ana
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Post by Ana on Sept 19, 2006 22:03:54 GMT -5
Kataangko! Oh man the memories..but I'm getting off track. I do agree with most your post though madsniper (not really on the Kataang parts though. Kataang can have tears, growth, etc. etc. Though I admit it doesn't have as many obstacles as Zutara). Zutara can have a 2 episode kiss like Sokka/Yue but a lot of stuff still needs to happen before they consider kissing. I think if the creators wanted to do Zutara, they would started developing it already because I'm in the boat that says it's going to take more time that what we have to do Zutara to it's potential.
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silverdreams
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Post by silverdreams on Sept 19, 2006 22:57:53 GMT -5
*thinks back for a sec* actually, there has seen a little sign of Zutara... Jun called Katara Zuko's gf. Not really much, but Sokka called Aang Katara's boyfriend in the second episode too. *hinthint nudgenudge* xP So, it wouldn't be COMPLETELY out of the blue. Lets just hope Jun comes back and we see an actual REACTION from Katara. btw... anyone else notice that Ba Sing Sae resembles China... a lot? Well, considering that "great wall" and all.
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girlunderglass
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Post by girlunderglass on Sept 19, 2006 23:48:29 GMT -5
SPOILER AHEADI just wanted to share this with you all.. it's from this month's Nick Magazine that is featuring Avatar. Why would Nick make a Zutara based game if they were not going to really let it happen? Now I might be a fool for believing this, but they could have made the same exact game with Aang and Katara.. or most sensible but staying away from pairings- have Aang get to Appa. Next image is the character bio for Katara. I underlined the key would that through out much speculation. Just seems like Nick is pushing Zutara a lil too much to not let it happen. Just my thoughts.
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Post by Amira on Sept 20, 2006 0:06:14 GMT -5
^^ We actually had a discussion about that in one of the war rooms and several people thought it's fanservice. And honestly there were a few people that were disappointed in Nick Mag people for hyping up Zutara and not even mentioning Katara and Aang's special relationship as friends or whathaveyou. In all honesty, I can't believe if Zutara was the final outcome, Nick or the creators would allow it to be so blatantly put out there. Part of this show's charm and its success is that it's keeping us guessing.
The "fiery" comment I think was done because there are 4 possible cadidates for Katara so far:
Aang - he was mentioned in the blurb Zuko - was mentioned. Could be a possibility. Could be because they mentioned shipping in the mag, they're paying a bit of fanservice to what is arguably the fandom's dominant ship. Jet -not a bender, doesn't meet Aunt Wu's criteria Haru - mentioning him would be a big spoiler and could mean trouble for the Nick Mag people if they revealed any such big spoilers.
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Post by almighty on Sept 20, 2006 0:07:16 GMT -5
Call me stupid... but I took a while on the Zutara puzzle. ><
Anyway, I honestly think that they are putting Zutara stuff there because they want to rouse people up and then hit them with a surprise pairing in the end. You know... expect the unexpected bit. Nick already knows that Zutara and Kataang are the big ones; why not slam them both in the face to completely end the ship wars? *coughKarucough*
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girlunderglass
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Post by girlunderglass on Sept 20, 2006 0:15:55 GMT -5
LOL Almighty.. I found two ways through it... not easily, but I found it.
I'm not so sold on it being fanservice Amira. It would have been most sensible of them to avoid the whole shipping situation and made the same game based on Aang getting to Appa. At the point the magazine was released, The Desert had already aired much earlier. So if you're an Avatar fan, you already knew that Appa was missing.
The fact they wrote fiery as fiery makes the word so much more suggestive to Zuko.
I'm not saying printing this sort of material makes the Zutara ship absolute.. it's a great foreshadowing though. At the least, I feel it implies more interaction between Zuko and Katara.. not necessarily in the romantic sense. More so in perhaps Zuko joining the Gaang. (Which would be awesome;) )
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Post by almighty on Sept 20, 2006 0:24:26 GMT -5
The Zutara reference did seem a lot like fanservice... but then again, so did every other thing they mentioned in the mag. Problem with them hinting at Zutara is that they also hinted towards Kataang and mentioned the shipper-palooza in there which, at least for me, served mainly as fanservice as opposed to it actually being forshadowing evidence.
The majority of the articles mainly discussed the online fandom as well as obsessed Avatar fans who cosplay. Their ship hinting does seem to try and settle the fans who are complaining about the lack of love for their ship.
I highly doubt that Avatar would let the prevailing ship actually leak, especially since they are known to hit our blind spots. Who knows, maybe everyone would end up with someone completely new...
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Post by Amira on Sept 20, 2006 0:27:46 GMT -5
LOL Almighty.. I found two ways through it... not easily, but I found it. I'm not so sold on it being fanservice Amira. It would have been most sensible of them to avoid the whole shipping situation and made the same game based on Aang getting to Appa. At the point the magazine was released, The Desert had already aired much earlier. So if you're an Avatar fan, you already knew that Appa was missing. The fact they wrote fiery as fiery makes the word so much more suggestive to Zuko. I'm not saying printing this sort of material makes the Zutara ship absolute.. it's a great foreshadowing though. At the least, I feel it implies more interaction between Zuko and Katara.. not necessarily in the romantic sense. More so in perhaps Zuko joining the Gaang. (Which would be awesome;) ) They could have gone the Aang/Appa way, but considering this issue had fans mentioned, quoted, and shippings mentioned they had to do something that would excite the fans and keep the theme a bit. I was actually disappointed in the mag for stirring up the pot so to speak. I understood why they did it. First issue, trying to sell it, trying to give the fans (or a large part of the fandom) what they want to see. I would have liked to have seen more on Aang and Katara's friendship, the Gaang, more on Toph, something on the Dangerous Ladies. (And the other puzzle was about Roku, so maybe it was a firebender theme this mag). With exclusions of those things, it honestly makes me think it was more done for fanservice. And I seem to be one of the few people who does not want Zuko to join the Gaang. It will cease to be a Gaang and become more of a herd. I like the fact that Zuko and Iroh have their own path, their own story arc, their own issues.
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